To be fair most people are right footed so it makes sense that the left footed RVP will control the ball with his left and not his right. Still a brilliant goal mind you. I agree as well with the awkward look when he's on the ball, half the time he looks so clumsy on the ball even though he's doing something amazing.
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To be fair most people are right footed so it makes sense that the left footed RVP will control the ball with his left and not his right. Still a brilliant goal mind you. I agree as well with the awkward look when he's on the ball, half the time he looks so clumsy on the ball even though he's doing something amazing.
I got his name and number on our away kit back in August. I just knew he was going to feck shit up.
Someones already mentioned it but the 2nd touch really was amazing.. most people can fluke a great first touch from a long ball but to still have the presence of mind to deftly caress it away from an oncoming defender whilst still running at full pelt and having pulled out that first touch is sensational. Never get bored of that Gif, simply sublime.
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All three touches were absolutely quality and that's what separates him from the other 'great' forwards; he can consistently produce quality like that.
Last thing I'm going to say on Ronaldo and van Persie:
He's the quickest player to score 20 goals for us in our history - the only other players that have come close have been top class players who went on to have wonderful careers with us. And he's done it while consistently scoring absolutely vital goals of real class. 16 league goals from 18 league starts, 3 CL goals from 3 CL starts, 1 FA Cup goal from 1 sub appearance. 20 goals from 21 starts. He's already scored against each of Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and City and was crucial to us winning every one of those games.
Ronaldo managed 18 in his first 21 starts in 07/08. At this stage of the season he had played Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool and scored just one goal - an equaliser against Arsenal. Over the course of the season he scored 2 v Arsenal, 1 v Chelsea, 1 v Liverpool and 1 v City. Van Persie's already one off Ronaldo's total v our rivals and he still has to play them each once more. We're already one point off our points total against those four (13) despite playing half the games.
I have no idea why people are so intent on not getting "carried away" when he's clearly doing something very special for us. What's going to change? He clearly fits in, he's clearly got the talent and he's proven himself as a man for the big stage - he's proven all he needs to in just half a season. That should be embraced not approached with caution. The only thing that's going to stop him is injuries. Some people compare him to van Basten in style, some people compare him to Cantona in terms of influence - that's a huge sign of respect. Perhaps the most complete, classiest #9 in the history of the game and the most influential player in our club's history. If people outside the club are getting carried away then why shouldn't we?!
He's the quickest player to score 20 goals for us in our history - the only other players that have come close have been top class players who went on to have wonderful careers with us. And he's done it while consistently scoring absolutely vital goals of real class. 16 league goals from 18 league starts, 3 CL goals from 3 CL starts, 1 FA Cup goal from 1 sub appearance. 20 goals from 21 starts. He's already scored against each of Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and City and was crucial to us winning every one of those games.
Ronaldo managed 18 in his first 21 starts in 07/08. At this stage of the season he had played Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool and scored just one goal - an equaliser against Arsenal. Over the course of the season he scored 2 v Arsenal, 1 v Chelsea, 1 v Liverpool and 1 v City. Van Persie's already one off Ronaldo's total v our rivals and he still has to play them each once more. We're already one point off our points total against those four (13) despite playing half the games.
I have no idea why people are so intent on not getting "carried away" when he's clearly doing something very special for us. What's going to change? He clearly fits in, he's clearly got the talent and he's proven himself as a man for the big stage - he's proven all he needs to in just half a season. That should be embraced not approached with caution. The only thing that's going to stop him is injuries. Some people compare him to van Basten in style, some people compare him to Cantona in terms of influence - that's a huge sign of respect. Perhaps the most complete, classiest #9 in the history of the game and the most influential player in our club's history. If people outside the club are getting carried away then why shouldn't we?!
And what's this one based on? Because Ronaldo and Messi score for fun? I'm pretty sure they will do that regardless of where they play.
Also, 6 of Ronaldo's goals this season have come in Europe. He's only got 14 in the league.
Absolutely agree with this 100%.
He's been amazing for half a season and proved himself in every possible way. I don't think we really need to be cautious - the man is a goal-machine, and will continue to be unless he gets injured. Injuries are the only worrying thing... everything else about him is amazing.
Love him.
As I mentioned in a post yesterday, I have been so excited about one particular since Eric Cantona. Rooney came along, Ronaldo came along amongst many others, but RVP is is the only one to excite me since the King. There is no doubt that, if he had chosen to play for Real Madrid instead of ourselves, his record right now would simply be phenomenal. So Brwned, I have read a great deal of your opinions on this site on football and you seem to be a pretty good all-rounder. What is your opinion on RVP? Is he the sort of player that could excel in the Spanish league, given his talent is there for all to see and his efficiency is excellent.
It wasn't an equaliser, Arsenal were never ahead at any point in that game. His goal made it 2-1 in our favour. [/pedantry]
Ronaldo started 29 games this season, Van Persie only started 21. That's sort of relevant when it comes to comparisons.
Ronaldo scored the equaliser and it was Hargreaves who scored the winning goal from a free-kick if I remember correctly.
Wasn't that the game when Adebayor's opening goal was handballed into the net? Then Ronaldo equalised and Hargreaves' free-kick was the winner, no?
That was in April, the goal being discussed is in the first 21 games.
Comparing Ronaldo's record at 23/24 to a Robin Van Persie who is 29 isn't really fair when using it to compare the two players now. It doesn't make Van Persie any less brilliant than he is but you aren't close to comparing comparable situations. Not least because the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool could all have cases made for not being as good as they were then.
Indeed. This is the game I'm talking about:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7065152.stm
Apologies, that is correct.
The Arse scored an injury-time goal to deny us our first win at the Emirates.
Ronaldo is the same player he was in 07/08, IMO. Last season when he scored 46 league goals that was 38% of Madrid's total. In 07/08 when he scored 30 goals that was 38% of our total. He's just playing for a more free-scoring team now.
And indeed you're right you pedantic bastards.
Simply speaking, as good a ball as that was from Giggs, that wouldn't have been more than a half chance for any other of our strikers.
To outpace the man, take it on so perfectly, then finish on the weaker foot, was just shocking.
As much as last min goals are such a joy, we need to stop having to rely on them to say the least
I'd say he's far more difficult to neutralize in the biggest games these days. His inability to perform in the most important matches was always somewhat blown out of proportion but I'd say he clearly improved that aspect of his game.
Ah come on, don't spoil the fun. You should have seen the joy drain from the Hammers faithful in that last couple of minutes. Just imagine the scousers, city etc in the same position....I love the hope taken away even if sometimes backfires on us
What about goals in all competitions? Stats can't really be used in these arguments as the conditions are not the same for both players which they need to be for a fair comparison. It's not really an opinion that can be fully backed up. The fact that nobody was here a year ago saying Van Persie was better than Ronaldo makes me think it's an emotional reaction to how brilliant Van Persie has been playing for us. An understandable one but still incorrect for me.
The Chelsea and Liverpool teams of a few years ago were world-class/excellent teams.
Understandable? It's ludicrous. Completely knee jerk.
Football evokes great emotion. That's what makes it what it is. It's hard to separate emotion from logic when judging these things. Some will just look for what they prefer in a player too and I think some find it hard to give Ronaldo as much credit becuase they don't like the player.
You should have seen the VP is as good as Ronaldo postings yesterday... I think the euphoria of the last min equaliser got to quite a few people.
Anyone saying behave Ronaldo is by far the better was being written off as upset or a fan boy!
Yeah, they don't have teams of the might of Reading, QPR, Villa, Wigan, Southampton etc.
This is the weakest division for years.
I'm sorry but United, City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Everton dissagree.
I'm more inclined to say the leagues are pretty much even, only at this point in time Real and Barca have the 2 clear best players on the planet on top of already great teams, making them that much better in comparison.
United and City are pretty much England's Real and Barca at this point for the last 2 seasons.
Outside of the big two, Atletico & Malaga it's mostly tumescent shit. I'd argue mid table Premier League clubs are harder.
What nonsense.
It's the huge gap between Barca/Real to the rest in terms of quality that skews people's opinion on La Liga. The rest of the teams aren't poor, just that Real/Barca are so much better
I'm not doubting that. If Barcelona or Madrid came to this league there'd be a gap too. I'm just saying that, for many reasons, La Liga isn't as competitive as the Premier League. Amoung those reasons are the Spanish Economy, the lack of a equal television rights and the big two and foreign clubs sucking up most of the talent.
Oh, and I'm not one of these people who just watches the Premier League and goes "best league in the world!!!!11". I watch all 4 of the top leagues regularly.
I just heard some former LFC player give it the old 'Suarez deserves player of the year because he's more important to Liverpool than RVP is to United'.
So what? LFC are a midtable side with him.
So what? LFC are a midtable side with him.
Usual bollocks. RvP has changed the biggest games this season.
Saying La Liga is not as competitive is different to saying every team other than the top is tumescent shit
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Do you really need that question to be answered? Do you for a second think somebody would reply with a no?
Probably because their main basis for that dubious conclusion is goal return.
If goal return was more relevant than ability than Lamps must be a better attacking midfielder than either Scholes or Zidane. I could even suggest Lamps may be a more prolific assister than either of those two.
So how far do you think i would get making a case for Lamps to be considered as better than Zidane or Scholes, using that logic? Not very far im sure you would agree, and rightly so!
So if it is not goal return that determines at what level players should be regarded, then what is it? I would suggest that they have something more, something less definable but far more relevant than goal return. Something so significant it must be still be acknowledged, even when it cannot be clearly defined.
I could reluctantly label it 'class'. It would be a vague and unsatisfactory label, but im sure most would appreciate what i was attempting to relay.
Sorry but i just don't see how anybody can make a reasonable case, for Ronaldo possessing more class than RVP. So i would need something more convincing than simple goal return, to persuade me that Ronaldo has something more in terms of technical ability or class than RVP.
What i have witnessed from RVP this season so far, imo has not been seen at OT since the times of Cantona himself. The uplifting effect upon the team, the added belief that we can always come back and win. The manner of his goals, the wow factor , the touch, composure and of course the arrogance. Just everything about RVP oozes quality. So while i am not claiming he is better than CR, i am struggling to see what he is lacking in comparison to make him somehow considered inferior.
Would you really put your faith in no-one on the CAf questioning it?
Let's not forget we did not so long ago, have a fairly heated debate on whether Messi would be able to cut it in the PL!!!!
You would be surprised at how many doubted Messi! I certainly was, absolutely astonished would probably be more accurate! Bizarre i know, but there you go!!
He can't beat men like Ronaldo. It's just one aspect and it's obvious. It is though the hardest thing to do on a football field, the most entertaining and it's a massive advantage if you have a player capable of doing so.
Would you really put your faith in no-one on the CAf questioning it?
Let's not forget we did not so long ago, have a fairly heated debate on whether Messi would be able to cut it in the PL!!!!
You would be surprised at how many doubted Messi! I certainly was, absolutely astonished would probably be more accurate! Bizarre i know, but there you go!!
I can't rationally believe anybody, anywhere would suggest RVP couldn't make it in Spain, although PL did ask so it suggests he might have a doubt.
I can't believe that about Messi, surely not?
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