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Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances
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Good point.
Did you see those players play?
That last bit is hilarious. What you're basically doing is laughing at me for giving my opinion: ie I'm not being biased towards Van Persie simply because he plays for the club now.
When you say that fans of other clubs are slow to realise things, you're really just trying to justify that only a small band of Man United fans would say Van Persie's as good as Ronaldo; because one small band of Manchester United supporters just happen to be gifted with superior football knowledge to all other supporters of other sides who would say Ronaldo is the better player.
They're not slow to realise things either. They're merely stating the truth: that Van Persie is a world class striker on the level of Falcao and Ibrahimovic, but is a fair distance behind Ronaldo. At least you're triyng to justify your opinion, but when most say that they've been slow to realise things, what they mean is that they desperately wanted to think that Rooney was the better player, so used whatever reasoning they could to downgrade Van Persie. Now he's here though, they can feel free to hype him up as much as they want, even if that means overhyping him to the level of Ronaldo when he's not that good. It's hilarious to read.
I'll also add that I'm not one of the Ronaldo fans who still has withdrawal symptoms from the fact he left; I find a lot of the worshiping over him tedious at times, but I'll accept that Ronaldo is a brilliant player nevertheless and that he's better than Van Persie.
If you feel otherwise then fair enough. As I say, you at least try to justify it, but to say I'm just trying to align with other supporters is bizarre when the vast majority of unbiased Man United fans would admit Ronaldo is better. I'm not just saying it for the sake of it either. I've listed some of Ronaldo's better attributes, and he generally excels in most parts of his game when compared to Van Persie.
You've done it at least twice those as a stick to beat Ronaldo with. It is also inaccurate. What is Rooney's record against Liverpool like? If I remember right he has scored against them just twice. Does that make him less of a player?
Yep.
Both Ronaldo and Messi have performed over several seasons now and also at various international/European tournaments. They are not 1/2/3 season wonders who reached their peaks and then again fell to a good level.
Edit - This doesn't mean i am calling the players Brwned mentioned that collectively or generalizing.
Quick point to Giggs and then ''Yes, I am awesome.''
I think it's a really interesting discussion whether we're currently at a low ebb in terms of football players. Personally I think the quality is probably slightly worse but the big issue is that the good players are spread evenly across Spain, Germany, Italy and England with some good players also playing in France, Portugal and Brazil. Where as in the 90s about 80% of your top players (pure guess) were playing in Serie A with pretty much only Barcelona and Real Madrid having genuine world class players outside of Serie A and managing to hold on to them. With all the best players in the world playing together every week no one was able to completely take the piss like top players do now where they're consistently matched with players well below their level every week in the current leagues.
Quick point to Giggs and then ''Yes, I am awesome.''
Brilliant. To be that good would be some feeling.
We didn't ?
I think he is way better than Laudraup and Baggio. Time will tell re vs Zidane and fat Ronaldo, but as you rightly say, he is behind right now.
Because Ronaldo's been so insanely good for about 7 years now people have got a bit bored with him being so amazing and coupled with Messi stealing his thunder there's been more and more people starting to think that guys like Iniesta, Rooney, RVP, Falcao, Cavani and the like are creeping up on him, when in reality Ronaldo's just as good if not better than he was when he won the BalonD'or and is still a very comfortable second best in the world. If Ronaldo were to come back to United I think a lot of people would be surprised how much better Ronaldo still clearly is than RVP, much like how seeing RVP up close made everyone realise that he's better than Rooney.
By 1999 we did, and maybe a year or two before that we were starting to reach that level. Our early-mid nineties teams though, the Cantona ones, were a long way short of world class and it showed up very quickly in the Champions League.
Indeed.
Ronaldo vs RVP right now, while clear for me is still debateable.
But Ronaldo vs RVP through their whole career is a no contest for me and Ronaldo is younger still.
That last bit is hilarious. What you're basically doing is laughing at me for giving my opinion: ie I'm not being biased towards Van Persie simply because he plays for the club now.
When you say that fans of other clubs are slow to realise things, you're really just trying to justify that only a small band of Man United fans would say Van Persie's as good as Ronaldo; because one small band of Manchester United supporters just happen to be gifted with superior football knowledge to all other supporters of other sides who would say Ronaldo is the better player.
They're not slow to realise things either. They're merely stating the truth: that Van Persie is a world class striker on the level of Falcao and Ibrahimovic, but is a fair distance behind Ronaldo. At least you're triyng to justify your opinion, but when most say that they've been slow to realise things, what they mean is that they desperately wanted to think that Rooney was the better player, so used whatever reasoning they could to downgrade Van Persie. Now he's here though, they can feel free to hype him up as much as they want, even if that means overhyping him to the level of Ronaldo when he's not that good. It's hilarious to read.
I'll also add that I'm not one of the Ronaldo fans who still has withdrawal symptoms from the fact he left; I find a lot of the worshiping over him tedious at times, but I'll accept that Ronaldo is a brilliant player nevertheless and that he's better than Van Persie.
If you feel otherwise then fair enough. As I say, you at least try to justify it, but to say I'm just trying to align with other supporters is bizarre when the vast majority of unbiased Man United fans would admit Ronaldo is better. I'm not just saying it for the sake of it either. I've listed some of Ronaldo's better attributes, and he generally excels in most parts of his game when compared to Van Persie.
Who is the most efficient of the two though?
For this season, RVP has played 1,953 minutes, scored 20 goals and 6 assists with an overall shots per game of 3.2.
Ronaldo, for this season has played around 2,000 minutes, scored 20 goals and had 4 assists so far. With an overall shots per goal of 6.8. You have to ask yourself, which player is the most efficient at the moment? RVP just knows when to take a shot and when to pass to another player when his shot isn't on.
That last bit is hilarious. What you're basically doing is laughing at me for giving my opinion: ie I'm not being biased towards Van Persie simply because he plays for the club now.
When you say that fans of other clubs are slow to realise things, you're really just trying to justify that only a small band of Man United fans would say Van Persie's as good as Ronaldo; because one small band of Manchester United supporters just happen to be gifted with superior football knowledge to all other supporters of other sides who would say Ronaldo is the better player.
They're not slow to realise things either. They're merely stating the truth: that Van Persie is a world class striker on the level of Falcao and Ibrahimovic, but is a fair distance behind Ronaldo. At least you're triyng to justify your opinion, but when most say that they've been slow to realise things, what they mean is that they desperately wanted to think that Rooney was the better player, so used whatever reasoning they could to downgrade Van Persie. Now he's here though, they can feel free to hype him up as much as they want, even if that means overhyping him to the level of Ronaldo when he's not that good. It's hilarious to read.
I'll also add that I'm not one of the Ronaldo fans who still has withdrawal symptoms from the fact he left; I find a lot of the worshiping over him tedious at times, but I'll accept that Ronaldo is a brilliant player nevertheless and that he's better than Van Persie.
If you feel otherwise then fair enough. As I say, you at least try to justify it, but to say I'm just trying to align with other supporters is bizarre when the vast majority of unbiased Man United fans would admit Ronaldo is better. I'm not just saying it for the sake of it either. I've listed some of Ronaldo's better attributes, and he generally excels in most parts of his game when compared to Van Persie.
I must say I agree with this. People were being very dismissive towards van Persie, and not even considering he was better than Rooney at all, up until August this year.
It was similar with Ronaldo. During his formative years, loads of United fans were all too happy to berate him and say how much better Wayne Rooney is. Then Ronaldo started taking the piss and it was blasphemy to compare them, and it was 'why can't we just enjoy we have both'. Some fans will always have their own agendas.
I believe that Rooney has scored 4 in 15 against Liverpool. I admit to it, so what? People love to beat sticks about any player mentioned. I also suggest you stop saying that it is "inaccurate", unless you have some facts to state your opinion that they are "inaccurate." I have done this with your "inaccurate", information about Rooney scoring only twice against Liverpool when he scored 2 more than that. Yes, players go missing in certain matches, their bogey team if you will, and it is about time we got behind our new player and give him the support he thoroughly deserves. As far as I am concerned, I haven't been this excited about a new player since Cantona so, that speaks volumes.
Does anyone have a gif of his goal?
I have never seen Sir Alex as excited as that in a long time. What we want is a Jose Mourinho gif running down the Old Trafford touchline celebrating, but with a Sir Alex face shopped on. That would make a great gif.
Dayum!!!! What a goal. That first touch 
To score such a goal in the last minute to stay in a cup competition ... that is priceless ... as SAF aptly celebrates.
Its always a great thing to make a great old man a happy man
I wasn't stating it as fact. I said IF. That's an important word. Where are your facts? You haven't provided any.
Who isn't getting behind Van Persie? What Utd fan is being any less than gushing in their praise for the man?
By the way I think you're right on the number of goals Roomey has scored against Liverpool as he got two in his last match against them. Not sure how many appearances he has against them though.
Yes, I think only a small band would say that - at the moment. When we start winning titles and people look back and realise that van Persie was so influential then people will find it hard to argue with. It's like when Ronaldo was clearly the best player in the world by 2007 but that didn't become accepted until we won the CL. The titles are the one thing people can't argue against. Let's see how we do over the next couple of years in that sense.
Would you say that van Persie contributes more in the build-up than Ronaldo? If the answer's yes and he matches that goal output - with many of them being both spectacular and crucial - then I don't see why it's such an absurd thing to say. The contribution's up there, the all-round class/skill/technique is up there, I just don't see what's lacking. And I'll quote myself before we signed him to refute any suggestions I've had a turnaround in opinion in him:
19 starts, 18 goals, 7 assists - two years ago!
Big shout, bold claims, bend over world.
"fecking hell"
You stated "if I remember correctly." If you were going to put down such statistics, please do some relevant research before spouting inaccuracies. My fact was that Rooney had scored 4 goals in 15 against Liverpool and I can give you the name of the site of you wish, just to back up my "inaccurate facts."
So, we will have to agree to disagree on this one ac. Ronaldo is a great player, RVP is a great player, Ronaldo plays for Madrid, RVP plays for us, so for me, as I am a Manchester United fan, I will be behind RVP just like every Manchester United fan including you. I have already said in another post that I valued Cantonas contribution even more than Ronaldos, and nothing is going to change that.
screw the world, I was think in more 'universe' terms!
With all three approaching or at their very peak, I think it would be unprecedented.
Of course its unlikely, but you never know!
Exactly. I said if. I didn't state it as a definitive fact. Why not post the link?
I think you know the site already. Here it is mate, and happy reading with loads of facts and figures:
http://www.stretfordend.co.uk/playermenu.html
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"3 touches, but all good touches"
I never would have said this 2 years ago, but personally i am struggling to see how RVP can not be considered as good as Ronaldo. Ronaldo is brilliant, but how exactly is RVP not? He is the closest thing to Cantona we have had since the great man himself in my view, and if RVP carries on, he could have similar impact in his first season too. I see a lot of similarities to Cantona's effect upon the team back then, with how RVP has inspired added belief to our squad this season.
His touch and technique are up there with anyone's. His ability to strike a ball is up there with anyone's. His goal rate and overall general level of play is up there with the very best, bar Messi. Look at how much he has improved us already, we are a far harder side to beat than we were last year.
I think it's getting fairly easy to appreciate why Arsenal seemed so reliant upon him. He offers so much we are becoming increasingly reliant upon him ourselves in my view. How many games has he proved the difference between us getting something or not, already this season?
He is not even that dependent on quality service, just give him the ball and even if he doesn't have space, his touch and strength often allow him to create enough to get a strike away, or bring someone else into play. I never realised how reliable he was shooting with his right foot, and he is also far better in the air than i had previously given him credit for.
I see no obvious weaknesses to his game. Maybe not the quickest, but he certainly has everything else. He really knows how to play his position too, his intelligence, decision making and all round movement is absolutely top drawer.
Maybe it is unfair to pick the bones out of who is the better player, because they are both so different, yet undeniably effective. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing them both in our starting line up, that's for sure!
His touch and technique are up there with anyone's. His ability to strike a ball is up there with anyone's. His goal rate and overall general level of play is up there with the very best, bar Messi. Look at how much he has improved us already, we are a far harder side to beat than we were last year.
I think it's getting fairly easy to appreciate why Arsenal seemed so reliant upon him. He offers so much we are becoming increasingly reliant upon him ourselves in my view. How many games has he proved the difference between us getting something or not, already this season?
He is not even that dependent on quality service, just give him the ball and even if he doesn't have space, his touch and strength often allow him to create enough to get a strike away, or bring someone else into play. I never realised how reliable he was shooting with his right foot, and he is also far better in the air than i had previously given him credit for.
I see no obvious weaknesses to his game. Maybe not the quickest, but he certainly has everything else. He really knows how to play his position too, his intelligence, decision making and all round movement is absolutely top drawer.
Maybe it is unfair to pick the bones out of who is the better player, because they are both so different, yet undeniably effective. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing them both in our starting line up, that's for sure!
I think you know the site already. Here it is mate, and happy reading with loads of facts and figures:
http://www.stretfordend.co.uk/playermenu.html
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I didn't.
That site seems to include friendlies. It also shows your facts on Rooney were wrong and don't take into account the fact that Rooney played against Liverpool before he played for Utd.
You can always dream! It would be very frightening indeed but a complete spectacle for us to behold.
I think thats the best first touch i have ever seen ever
Why should this site include his old statistics from Everton though? It is not relevant to the Rooney that plays for us.
Giggs pass = 10/10
RVPs first touch = 10/10
RVPs second touch = 10/10
RVPs finish = 10/10
Incredible few seconds of football. In fact, if you had to perfectly sum football up in one instance that would be a good shout.
Kind of ironic it's a high ball though. Have that Allardyce.
RVPs first touch = 10/10
RVPs second touch = 10/10
RVPs finish = 10/10
Incredible few seconds of football. In fact, if you had to perfectly sum football up in one instance that would be a good shout.
Kind of ironic it's a high ball though. Have that Allardyce.
We were talking about his record against Liverpool. Not just his record for Utd. You used inaccurate facts. I don't particularly care anymore though. Feel free to use a meaningless stat to belittle Ronaldo if it makes you happy.
Van Persie was so perfect with his touches that he didn't break stride at all. There was nothing that the defender could do. It was sensational, it gave me a massive rush of adrenaline.
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