It's ridiculous how people get hurt when you say something against Ronaldo.
It's funny.
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It's funny.
Messi is ahead of Ronaldo who is ahead of Falcao and RVP.
Don't think RVP is on the Ronaldo level.
Don't think RVP is on the Ronaldo level.
I absolutely love that if he keeps this going he's going to be remembered first and foremost as a United player
Goals against Chelsea, City, Arse and Liverpool say otherwise. He's got us out of so much trouble this season.
You're not very good at this are you?
Was just looking at the players' totals so far, mid-way through the season.
Van Persie and Falcao both have 20.
Ronaldo has 23.
Messi has 35.
There is the argument Van Persie would score more in Spain. He scores nearly every chance you give him. I think he could have hit 30+ in Barca's side.
Van Persie and Falcao both have 20.
Ronaldo has 23.
Messi has 35.
There is the argument Van Persie would score more in Spain. He scores nearly every chance you give him. I think he could have hit 30+ in Barca's side.
Agree with this. If vP outshines him in the CL tie then we may see some opinions sway.
You're on the WUM clearly, as there's only Barcelona in Spain who are up there with those teams.
SO clearly the other 90+ goals he's got in the last 18months aren't very worthy right?
Was just looking at the players' totals so far, mid-way through the season.
Van Persie and Falcao both have 20.
Ronaldo has 23.
Messi has 35.
There is the argument Van Persie would score more in Spain. He scores nearly every chance you give him. I think he could have hit 30+ in Barca's side.
Could make the same argument for Falcao, tbf and he's playing in a worse side than ours.
Ronaldo meanwhile plays with another striker on the left.
It's ridiculous how people get hurt when you say something against Ronaldo.
Just when somebody says something blatantly wrong.
He is a special player though acnumber? He really is becoming a Cantona-esque sort of player. He doesn't need to take 10 shots to score a goal per match. In fact, it would be interesting to compare goals scored and shots per match for both RVP and Ronaldo at the moment. One more thing, how many goals has Ronaldo scored against Chelsea in 15 matches...
I'm not convinced there is much between Ronaldo and Persie, but to be fair, that is nonsense. He scores against what is put in front of him, and has done that at every level for the past 6 years. He'sproven he can score against everyone in England, Spain and the CL consistently.
Exactly. It's idiots trying to wind you up, so you end up arguing against your own team's key player
Which would show how ridiculous some opinions are. Why will one tie make such a difference?
Wow, so many goals in the SPL on steds. We'll see how many he scores for City.
Individually Ronaldo is on a different planet. But our boy Robin is some player and to be talked about alongside Ronnie shows this.
I was a bit slow to come around to how good van Persie is but if he was regularly winning games to the extent where he took Arsenal to a league title then it would've been hard to argue with, I reckon. And I'm not sure we've been playing much better than the rest of the Arsenal side were last year. He's just gotten better and better - I'd say that's more to do with having such a long run of games than a better supporting cast to be honest. Though I think the mentality of Sir Alex might've given him another push. I've thought of him as a more stylish, spectacular player for longer than the past 6 months though. He was scoring screamers more often than Ronaldo last year, and many of them were in crucial moments.
Keep laughing away though, I could only wish to be as objective as you Cheesy. If only I could see things like they are the way you do. Downplaying this man's contribution to align your opinions with fans outside the club - who are notoriously slow to realise these things, just as many of us were with van Persie at Arsenal - is such an admirable thing to do.
No, it's always same with him.
To be fair RVP has been in a talented international side... and not really stood out, whereas Ronaldo has been a good solid performer in euro 2004, WC 2006, Euro 2012...three major tournaments where he's been impressive.
This is without taking into account their club careers, where Ronaldo has been pretty phenomenal.. yeah he's not as good as Messi, but not being as good as someone who may go down as the GOAT is hardly a stick to beat him up with.
For RVP to merit being spoke about in the same breath as Ronaldo, he'd have to a) showcase this type of brilliance in the CL and b) impress at WC 2014.
The more sensible question is to ask where he is in comparison to Falcao. In terms of talent, Van Persie has few equals in world football, he can pretty much do it all from a technical viewpoint.. very complete and I'd argue that he has more finesse about his play than Ronaldo.
This is without taking into account their club careers, where Ronaldo has been pretty phenomenal.. yeah he's not as good as Messi, but not being as good as someone who may go down as the GOAT is hardly a stick to beat him up with.
For RVP to merit being spoke about in the same breath as Ronaldo, he'd have to a) showcase this type of brilliance in the CL and b) impress at WC 2014.
The more sensible question is to ask where he is in comparison to Falcao. In terms of talent, Van Persie has few equals in world football, he can pretty much do it all from a technical viewpoint.. very complete and I'd argue that he has more finesse about his play than Ronaldo.
The biggest compliment I can give to RvP is we'd be in a much worse position without his genius. Most of our main players are having their worst seasons.
Nani
Valencia
Rooney
Young
Welbeck
Fletcher (Ill)
Anderson (Injury)
Scholes/Giggs (old)
Defence is another discussion.
Nani
Valencia
Rooney
Young
Welbeck
Fletcher (Ill)
Anderson (Injury)
Scholes/Giggs (old)
Defence is another discussion.
The idea of RVP being on the same level of Ronaldo being laughable is...erm, risible.
There's still daylight between them imo, but it's up for debate.
There's still daylight between them imo, but it's up for debate.
He is a special player though acnumber? He really is becoming a Cantona-esque sort of player. He doesn't need to take 10 shots to score a goal per match. In fact, it would be interesting to compare goals scored and shots per match for both RVP and Ronaldo at the moment. One more thing, how many goals has Ronaldo scored against Chelsea in 15 matches...
Of course he is. You'd have to be mad to argue he isn't. He just isn't as good as Ronaldo. Few are. This is the second time I have seen you mention this record against Chelsea. Why is it so important? Messi has a shit record against them too. Does it matter?
Is RvP better than RvN?
Is RvP better than RvN?
Yes.
Rooney is not having a bad season tbf.
I have been Youngs biggest critics this season Sults, but he seems to be getting better. My only hope is that Nani can get in form, and also Valencia. Call back Fabio and give him a run out too. As you have rightly pointed out though, with all those players who are essentially first team players either old, or injured or who haven't played football in a long period of time, I feel that RVP is currently the shining light that is leading the team forwards.
Probably. Also helps that he is surrounded by better players.
He feels more and more like the 'Cantona' type signing, in that we already had a very good squad in place but lacking the catalyst to take the next step.
On top of the immediate results we are witnessing, he will also leave behind a legacy, from which the likes of Welbeck, Cleverley et al can only benefit from.
Hmmmmm i'm not so sure about Atletico being worse than we are
Yeah, they are.
Could make the same argument for Messi, no ?
Obvious Spoony is on the WUM but if he keeps this up it won't be long until someone (most likely Andy Gray, Durham, Jamie Redknapp or Stan Collymore) claims he's as good or better than Messi.
I'm sure there's probably someone in the newbies saying it already.
Abit harsh ... a bit better than simply great ... its pretty hard to be better than the best player of modern times!
He is great, isn't he?
Hmmmmm i'm not so sure about Atletico being worse than we are
They are worse but the fact it's even comparable is because Falcao is so ridiculously good. Take Falcao out of Atletico and RVP out of us and we're leaps and bounds better.
The Falcao/RVP comparison is really hard to judge until we see Falcao at a proper top side and see how they both perform in the business end of a Champions League Campaign.
He doesn't look like the type of player who would ever go through a bad run of form. His technique and ability is just too good to allow it.
Since Ronaldos record was brought up against Barcelona. It is an interesting statistic that is often used to beat Messi with every single time since he hasn't scored against them, but of course, he hasn't played as many matches against them either. World class players are capable of scoring against nearly every single team that is put in front of them. Anyway, that is for another thread.
Getting back to RVP, I think he can get up to Ronaldos level, but not this season or next. He would need to continue this sort of form for him to get to or even beat Ronaldo to second place.
I think he has been so far this season. Will be interesting to see what happens by season end and who has the medals.
On a transfer muppet thought, a front three of
Rooney RVP Ronaldo
next year would probably be the most potent attack ever assembled bar none.
Stick Laudrup, Zidane, Ronaldo, Baggio or some of the other 90s greats in this era and you wonder whether it would only be Messi he's struggling to keep up with.
This is Ronaldo's worst season in years and RVP's best ever season and Ronaldo has still scored more goals.
That says it all for me.
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