Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances

[teague]

I used the 2010/11 figures which are more representative of the historical 20-25% gap. The recent one you quote looks artificially low as it sometimes is due to variations in contract renewals etc

You have managed to cherry pick the year with the biggest difference.

Over the last sixyears Arsenals wage bill has been less than Uniteds by the following amounts (Source Swiss Ramble):

2007 - 2.2%
2008 - 16.5%
2009 - 15.4%
2010 - 15.9%
2011 - 19.0%
2012 - 11.3%

The average difference in those six years was about £18m (exactly the same amount as the difference in 2011/12). Once you account for the extra £10m that United will spend on their far larger non playing work force you only have about £8m more spent on players. This is around £7m of acutal wages with the rest as Employer's NIC.

That means a difference per player (including youth players) of just £2000 per week. If (as you suggest) the only players we pay higher wages to are the stars it works out to maybe £15k per week per player.

Your suggestion that we are paying our star players £100k more a week than Arsenal are just cannot be right. The numbers do not add up.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

van Persie's great, isn't he? What a player.

 

[Revan]

It seems pretty clear that Rooney wanted and got parity with Aguero and co at about £220K. Van Persie is supposed to have matched this plus a £10M signing on fee+ cnut bonus.

The hell are you saying? Rooney renewed his contract on 2010-2011 season, Aguero was signed for City in the summer of 2011 (months after Rooney signed that contract). At-least try to have the basic facts right.

 

[adamwest]

van Persie's great, isn't he? What a player.

Indeed. This thread has been taken over by lemons

 

[kouroux]

Deal with it

 

[londonredmaniac]

He is quality. An absolute class act.

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

Robin Van Sexie

 

[KM]

You have managed to cherry pick the year with the biggest difference.

Over the last sixyears Arsenals wage bill has been less than Uniteds by the following amounts (Source Swiss Ramble):

2007 - 2.2%
2008 - 16.5%
2009 - 15.4%
2010 - 15.9%
2011 - 19.0%
2012 - 11.3%

The average difference in those six years was about £18m (exactly the same amount as the difference in 2011/12). Once you account for the extra £10m that United will spend on their far larger non playing work force you only have about £8m more spent on players. This is around £7m of acutal wages with the rest as Employer's NIC.

That means a difference per player (including youth players) of just £2000 per week. If (as you suggest) the only players we pay higher wages to are the stars it works out to maybe £15k per week per player.

Your suggestion that we are paying our star players £100k more a week than Arsenal are just cannot be right. The numbers do not add up.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[KM]

What is love?
Robin Van Persie, Van Persie.
Scores goals.

 

[Everest Red]

You have managed to cherry pick the year with the biggest difference.

Over the last sixyears Arsenals wage bill has been less than Uniteds by the following amounts (Source Swiss Ramble):

2007 - 2.2%
2008 - 16.5%
2009 - 15.4%
2010 - 15.9%
2011 - 19.0%
2012 - 11.3%

The average difference in those six years was about £18m (exactly the same amount as the difference in 2011/12). Once you account for the extra £10m that United will spend on their far larger non playing work force you only have about £8m more spent on players. This is around £7m of acutal wages with the rest as Employer's NIC.

That means a difference per player (including youth players) of just £2000 per week. If (as you suggest) the only players we pay higher wages to are the stars it works out to maybe £15k per week per player.

Your suggestion that we are paying our star players £100k more a week than Arsenal are just cannot be right. The numbers do not add up.

Take into account that we have had genuine superstars( Ronaldo, Rooney, Teveth) and senior players who deserved really high wages, not just the likes of Giggs, Ferdinand and Scholes but longtime stalwarts like Brown, O'Shea, and Park.

Arsenal, on the other hand have a high player turnover and waste money oh chumps.

 

[peterstorey]

You have managed to cherry pick the year with the biggest difference.

Over the last sixyears Arsenals wage bill has been less than Uniteds by the following amounts (Source Swiss Ramble):

2007 - 2.2%
2008 - 16.5%
2009 - 15.4%
2010 - 15.9%
2011 - 19.0%
2012 - 11.3%

The average difference in those six years was about £18m (exactly the same amount as the difference in 2011/12). Once you account for the extra £10m that United will spend on their far larger non playing work force you only have about £8m more spent on players. This is around £7m of acutal wages with the rest as Employer's NIC.

That means a difference per player (including youth players) of just £2000 per week. If (as you suggest) the only players we pay higher wages to are the stars it works out to maybe £15k per week per player.

Your suggestion that we are paying our star players £100k more a week than Arsenal are just cannot be right. The numbers do not add up.

Those number are the percentage less rather than the percentage more which I was quoting (most lying in the range 20-25%). And I said average £60K for the top 10, which we can start to verify by looking at Ferdinand £120K etc etc.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

Wages seems a strange stick to beat United with. Haven't we had amongst the lowest wage/turnover ratio in the league most years?

 

[TheReligion]

Those number are the percentage less rather than the percentage more which I was quoting (most lying in the range 20-25%). And I said average £60K for the top 10, which we can start to verify by looking at Ferdinand £120K etc etc.

You have been put to bed and given a hot horlicks by Teague here.

 

[TheReligion]

Wages seems a strange stick to beat United with. Haven't we had amongst the lowest wage/turnover ratio in the league most years?

Does it matter? We make alot more money than anyone else in the league and we are by far the least big spenders, both in wages and fee's.

It is a silly argument really.

 

[Rozay]

So, Gooners - do you believe that if Arsenal had matched United's contract offer van Persie would have extended without thought?

 

[peterstorey]

If we paid him £250K a week he 'd have signed like a shot.

 

[Tomuś]

So, Gooners - do you believe that if Arsenal had matched United's contract offer van Persie would have extended without thought?

Nope, as much as I feel for their fans, he is too good for them (right now).
You can't expect a world-class player on the verge of thirties to accept winning zilch. Unless he's got some strong stay-here-for-life attitude.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

Arsenal are a big club, a proper club with a winning history. They also have a huge world-wide fan base.

The fact they can't keep their best players is an absolute joke. They are taking Wenger for granted because they know he gets them top 4 with young players.

Van Persie would not have stayed for more money. His window of being in his prime is closing and he knew he had to make a move to a winner.

I believe this because of the way Wenger acted during and after the transfer. He had nothing but good things to say about RVP and went out of his way to say how professional he is and how he really is devoted to his football.

You can say all you want about United but you have to agree that money is not the only thing that attracts players to this club.

See Berbatov.

 

[Rozay]

If we paid him £250K a week he 'd have signed like a shot.

So in a straight choice between taking £250k from Arsenal, or £250k from United, he'd choose Arsenal without thinking?

So there is actually no other difference between both clubs?

 

[adam118]

If we paid him £250K a week he 'd have signed like a shot.

If that makes you deal with it then you believe it. I think it was to do with winning things.

 

[paceme]

Why is it so hard for Peter to understand that a player who scores 40 goals in a season will likely be pissed off when he wins feck all, and may well finish his career having won feck all.

It would be madness for a player of his quality to not have a few trophies to his name when he retires.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

If I were Peter I'd be pissed off too.

But to take it out on the player is very stupid. Song, Van Persie, Hleb, Nasri, Henry, Fabregas all knew what was going on. Agents aren't stupid.

It is plain as day that the club are not fully committed to winning. In the EPL having a great manager and great youth system is all well and good but if you really want to win anything, you have to spend top dollar on great players and keep them there.

Arsenal have not, and now not even their great manager (Wenger is easily the second best manager in England) can keep them competitive.

Brand new stadium, high ticket prices, huge world wide fanbase should mean that Arsenal buys top players and does whatever to keep them there.

Someone is milking Arsenal big time.

 

[Adebesi]

Peter understands all this perfectly well.

 

[Adebesi]

Maybe Peter is having feelings for Man United he never thought he could feel for another football team. Maybe those feelings are making him feel disorientated and uneasy, hateful even, and he is lashing out in an ill fated attempt to make those feelings go away and make everything normal again. So, like a gay homophobe, he comes on here, day after day, to bait us and talk shit about the player he would emulate by turning his back on Arsenal and embracing United.

 

[elmo]

Those number are the percentage less rather than the percentage more which I was quoting (most lying in the range 20-25%). And I said average £60K for the top 10, which we can start to verify by looking at Ferdinand £120K etc etc.

http://arsenaltruth.squarespace.com/arsenal-truth/2012/11/4/arsenals-1434m-wage-bill-exposed.html

If that is accurate, it's no wonder your club can't afford to pay your top players the extra 60k a week. Your club is blatantly overpaying wages on too many average players.

Stop complaining on your club's inability to compete in giving players wages, it's like how Liverpool fans used to complain about their inability to spend 30m on a marquee signing when Rafa used to go about signing about 10 players for 3m each, while we went on and spend it all on one player.

 

[ciderman9000000]

Ot oh... Storey's not gonna like this

 

[Tomuś]

Ot oh... Storey's not gonna like this

Nah, he's gonna tell you it's ambiguous because of contracts' renewal or something.

 

[Giggsforever]

If we paid him £250K a week he 'd have signed like a shot.

Not with a 220K offer from us on the table.

 

[ciderman9000000]

Nah, he's gonna tell you it's ambiguous because of contracts' renewal or something.

Agreed, he's an arsehole.

 

[Lawman]

If we paid him £250K a week he 'd have signed like a shot.

But you's didn't!

 

[Gazza]

I have sympathy for Arsenal fans but van Persie has won feck all in his career for such a great player, it needed correcting. If Arsenal had seen to it themselves we wouldn't have had to step in. Best for all parties.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

If we paid him £250K a week he 'd have signed like a shot.

That's pure speculation. And your opinion.

 

[peterstorey]

http://arsenaltruth.squarespace.com/arsenal-truth/2012/11/4/arsenals-1434m-wage-bill-exposed.html

If that is accurate, it's no wonder your club can't afford to pay your top players the extra 60k a week. Your club is blatantly overpaying wages on too many average players.

Stop complaining on your club's inability to compete in giving players wages, it's like how Liverpool fans used to complain about their inability to spend 30m on a marquee signing when Rafa used to go about signing about 10 players for 3m each, while we went on and spend it all on one player.

Which ever way you go at it -using my numbers or Teague's you come to the same conclusion - that we pay our squad/youth players about the same as you to recruit and retain and can't compete at the top end.

 

[I'm always right]

If we paid him £250K a week he 'd have signed like a shot.

No chance, the man has ambition.

 

[Ryan's Beard]

Which ever way you go at it -using my numbers or Teague's you come to the same conclusion - that we pay our squad/youth players about the same as you to recruit and retain and can't compete at the top end.

You're not as well to do as we are though, so you need to pay your players less. If Bradford were paying their youth the same as us they'd have no grounds to complain either.

 

[Sarni]

If we paid him £250K a week he 'd have signed like a shot.

Why? Why play for a worse club that has very little chance of winning anything before van Persie retires instead of joining a club that will very likely win the league and perhaps challenge for CL before he calls it quits?

 

[ricky-romeo]

even an 8 year old boy can came up with a conclusion that rvp left arsenal because he want to have a better chance of winning trophies.

 

[Ryan's Beard]

even an 8 year old boy can came up with a conclusion that rvp left arsenal because he want to have a better chance of winning trophies.

You're right.

Even the kid inside RvP worked it out.

 

[Claymore]

If we paid him £250K a week he 'd have signed like a shot.

I love it that it that you use this place. Seeing that it makes you sick to the stomach watching Van Persie score goals in a United shirt and loving it, gives me a small taste of what the other goons feel like. Bonus.

 

[JazzG]

even an 8 year old boy can came up with a conclusion that rvp left arsenal because he want to have a better chance of winning trophies.

You're right.

Even the kid inside RvP worked it out.