Turning down Benzema and Mandzukic but settling for Lukaku is crazy.
Roberto Firmino
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Turning down Benzema and Mandzukic but settling for Lukaku is crazy.
It doesn't help that Utd seem to be the go-to club for name dropping when agents are trying to get leverage. As a fan base, I think we suffer more false rumours than any other club!
I said theoretically. And I said Lukaku at its finest. Which he was nowhere near this season. Still I think he will become better striker than any of the two. Especially given that he actually plays in the Premier league.
P.S. Personally I always considered Benzema shit. Its harder to score 10 in Premiership than 30 in La Liga with 75% of the teams being cannon fodder / loan teams for Real and Barca.
its always been this way, even when LFC were top dogs
5:57 sums up what he could do for us with Memphis/Di Maria on the flanks.
He looks so comfortable in every attacking area of the pitch. Perfect if he can just roam as a false 9.
He looks so comfortable in every attacking area of the pitch. Perfect if he can just roam as a false 9.
No question, it's not even close. Often you can tell, like with the links to Cavanni in previous years when we've been drowning in strikers.
okayyy im done
Its been like this as long as i temember. We have been linked with every great player in the last 20 years...
they are confirming the signing on brazilian tv now..
i'm not sure if they are using the talksports source though, or maybe they heard from him
i'm not sure if they are using the talksports source though, or maybe they heard from him
I still find it funny that people rate the PL so high. Also makes me giggle when the "Premier Proven" argument is rolled out. May as well sack all of our foreign scouts.What's the Brazilian equivalent of Chilevision? Get on it.
This is absolute horse shit. Did Hernandez turn into Pele when he went to Real?
Brazilevision.
Personally, I think we'd sign him to play up front. But that argument regarding 'too many no.10s' is rubbish. Mata has barely played there all year, and Di Maria failed there and was moved back out wide. Rooney plays up front every game, with Fellaini playing the closest role to a no.10.
Lel, someone said he does minimal defensive contribution and I used some stats to show that he does put in a fair bit of work there. I said their stats are comparable, not saying that the players are similar. Yes yes, stats can be deceiving, but no CAM that does not defend in the world can put out those kind of stats. Learn to use stats to analyze things, instead of brushing them off like they're nothing.
As in it's a done deal and official? or just speculation like yesterday?
So far it's something in that vein:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...no-will-leave-hoffenheim-for-a-fee-of-163216m
It's gonna be a bit hard to get something more if the player's recently on Copa America.
so we can start getting familiar with him :
Oh, so he is deffo leaving then. Maybe this is actually going to happen.
Hoffenheim have already signed his replacement. Firmino is 100% leaving this summer.
If we sign him we will turn him in a striker no doubt about that.
Overall 11 Starts, 6 goals, 3 assists.
In La liga alone, 7 starts, 16 sub ons, average ~35mins, 7 goals 4 assists.
last seson in United
6 starts, 18 sub on, avg ~35mins, 4 goals, 2 asists. He gets almost the same amount of playing time he got at United, and he nearly doubled his goal / assist.
I say we take our chance, let's face it FC Bayern and Real Madrid are strong in the positions he occupies, if we wait another season he could have an amazing season which would not only increase his price but also put us in competition for his signature.
The signing is logical based on what we know, the scouts obviously will have more information but it does appear to me that he fits the profile of three positions for Louis van Gaal. As for our 9 position, Rooney seems to the main one and RVP probably will be sold therefore Depay and Firmino offer cover, as for 10 position with him Mata will compete but he also is competing with Angel di Maria on the wing, Herrera will compete but he might be the 8 potentially competing with a player like Schneiderlin who also will probably compete with Carrick for the 6.
Assuming we sell RVP, use Fellaini only in specific circumstances, Januzaj goes on loan and Wilson is still in his development stage then Carrick, Blind, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Firmino, Mata, di Maria, Young, Depay and Rooney would be 10 players for 6 positions.
With our injury luck that will very quickly become 5 players for 6 positions so the versatility of our players is helpful if we are to prevent Louis van Gaal being forced to adopt 3 at the back.
The signing is logical based on what we know, the scouts obviously will have more information but it does appear to me that he fits the profile of three positions for Louis van Gaal. As for our 9 position, Rooney seems to the main one and RVP probably will be sold therefore Depay and Firmino offer cover, as for 10 position with him Mata will compete but he also is competing with Angel di Maria on the wing, Herrera will compete but he might be the 8 potentially competing with a player like Schneiderlin who also will probably compete with Carrick for the 6.
Assuming we sell RVP, use Fellaini only in specific circumstances, Januzaj goes on loan and Wilson is still in his development stage then Carrick, Blind, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Firmino, Mata, di Maria, Young, Depay and Rooney would be 10 players for 6 positions.
With our injury luck that will very quickly become 5 players for 6 positions so the versatility of our players is helpful if we are to prevent Louis van Gaal being forced to adopt 3 at the back.
Excellent logic, let's compare Hernandez in a Real Madrid side challenging on all fronts with his time under Moyes in a United side that couldn't even get Europa league football.
He scored 10 league goals in 22 for Fergie in 2013, this season for Real Madrid he scored 7 in 23, no idea about his minutes per goal or time on the pitch, can't be bothered to look at that.
Total goals for Fergie 18 in 36, for Ancelotti 9 in 33.
So yeah Messi would kill it in the premier league.
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Then BBC shows up and says its more like 32 mil. or so.
You can say he nearly doubled or you can say he scored 3 more goals by a team that scored 118 goals compared to the 64 United scored in Hernandez' last season here.
In other words he scored 3 more goals in a team that was much much better at scoring goals than us.
Either way, it still doesn't bear to your first argument; players can score 3x as many goals in La Liga than they can in the Premiership.
To be fair some players have an easier time than others in this league.
You absolutely need a few tall physical players for set pieces if nothing else.
Having said that im hoping that gap is filled by our right back and a good defensive midfielder next season.
Or at least having the option to do that, instead of fellaini at 10 every single week
Agree with this too
If rooney is our 9 we need to buy a 10, If rooney is our 10 we need to buy a 9.
If we play di maria at 10 then we need to buy another winger really.
We basically need to buy a front 4 player, ideally one who can play at 9 or 10 - ie firmino.
Benzema was my muppet signing for a striker but he sounds less than enthusiastic about moving here so no point chasing him.
After that its a pretty thin list of 'van gaal type strikers' which im not convinced i understand in any real sense.
Maybe firmino is the perfect striker for van gaal? - hes quick, works hard and scores goals. Dont see why not tbh.
Mata isn't bad defensively but i dont think he works in a midfield with carrick. Its just a bit too lightweight imo.
That's the question though, is Rooney a 9 or a 10.
The only person who doesn't seem to think this is a goer is James Cooper from sky. He says we don't need him.
I only heard a little of what he said but it sounded to me like it was his opinion we don't need him not that that's what he understood.
To be honest I think he has just as much of a clue as we do. His sources a few weeks ago suggested Harry Kane was not a target but apparently he now is.
Really. I'd say a 2 atmost... maybe 3 after getting his hair back...
Yeh apparently we've "changed our minds about him", in a matter of a few weeks? I agree they're almost as clueless as we are.
Are we getting this guy or not? Never mind what the local journalists are saying anyway, they don't seem to know much nowadays about who we're getting. Anyway, hope we really are in for him.
Him leaving doesn't seem to be the issue. It's where he goes.
I'm glad you admit that the stats you posted aren't a bteter indicator of fellaini's defensive ability than simply watching a game, it is wise of you and will stand to you in the future
I really don't give a shit how many defensive headers our #10 can win, that's not why he's on the field, the type of defensive contribution I expect from a #10 is pressing and tracking back.
yeah but the point is it doesn't matter what you think, because you don't pick the team, it only matters about LVGs balance
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