Roberto Firmino

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Woody has briefed that we're not interested.
oh good i'm glad that we would rather spend £60 million on a big name then buy a talented player that would cost a fraction of the price and is young enough to develop and be moulded.
 
SkyGermany said €30m which translates to £18m. So that's where the conflicting amounts could have come from.

Nice try though

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I wonder why the club even bothers to waste their time responding to rumors.

They'll be constantly bombarded with calls from Journalist's asking about Player X coming, or Player Y leaving, easiest to just deny everything and let the Journo's go pester someone else.
 
I know how you feel about it, but I'm simply making the point that LVG wants balance and thus isn't likely to have a number 10 with v little defensive contribution in his midfield 3 - or else he would have just played Mata there? So everyone on here has opinions and last season were posting teams with mata and kagawa CM, question is whether its realistic based on our manager, and the answer is it isn't because he will want balance.

That said you would expect firmino could still get enough games in the front 3 positions, I just really don't expect us to sign him as a CM as it's such a square peg in a round hole
I don't think your assessment about Firmino is correct. Stats prove that he offers defensive contribution, and is actually comparable to Fellaini's, contrary to the stereotype against Brazillian attacking midfielders.

Fellaini - 2.1 tackles, 0.9 interceptions and 2 clearances per game
Firmino - 2.7 tackles, 1.1 interceptions and 0.8 clearances per game

And Firmino offers way more when it comes to attacking.
 
Woody has briefed that we're not interested.

So in other words, we definitely interested.

He has shown potential playing as a 9 for Brazil, far from the finished article for sure, but that's the position I think we will be moulding him into in the long term if we buy him.

biggest pro for me: he is incredibly versatile and well rounded for a young Brazilian attacker
biggest conn: plays most of his football in positions we already well stocked in
 
----------Herrera-----------Schneiderlin-----------------
-------------------Firmino----------------------------
Mata----------------------------------Depay
------------------Benteke----------------------------

Rooney and Fellaini to content with Firmino and Benteke

Di Maria to content with Mata

Young to content with Depay

Herrera and Schneiderlin to content with Gündogan, Carrick and Blind and Carrick to be put on the shortlist of players that can retire in the near future
I am not content with your spelling.
 
Would be delighted if he signed him. He'd compliment Memphis with his great close control and dribbling ability very well as someone either on the opposite flank or as a central figure. He also has a very good work rate to match.
 
So in other words, we definitely interested.

He has shown potential playing as a 9 for Brazil, far from the finished article for sure, but that's the position I think we will be moulding him into in the long term if we buy him.

biggest pro for me: he is incredibly versatile and well rounded for a young Brazilian attacker
biggest conn: plays most of his football in positions we already well stocked in
Regarding the cons, I think he'd be an upgrade on quite a few of the players we currently have. Which means that wouldn't really be a con
 
James Cooper just said on Sky Sports we are not interested, because we already have alot of attacking midfielders, and you can't really argue with that. There is other positions who are far more important right now
 
Ugh. Not another Latin player please.

I am pretty sure Bayern is in the mix here, too. He can play the wing, is young - and is a Brazilian that has adapted to Germany and the discipline we want of the professionals (and the climate). He is in Germany since 2010!
 
I am pretty sure Bayern is in the mix here, too. He can play the wing, is young - and is a Brazilian that has adapted to Germany and the discipline we want of the professionals (and the climate). He is in Germany since 2010!
Does he speak German?
 
I am pretty sure Bayern is in the mix here, too. He can play the wing, is young - and is a Brazilian that has adapted to Germany and the discipline we want of the professionals (and the climate). He is in Germany since 2010!

Not heard Bayern mentioned at all and I've been watching his rumours for a few weeks (he's one of my Soccermanager players).
 
Yes but he's not just an AM, that's such a lazy assessment.

But he is not a #9 either and we already have Memphis at LW, at RW he can't cut inside so he would probably be ineffective there.
We have 4 spots at least maybe 5 if de Gea goes, that needs strenghtening.
 
But he is not a #9 either and we already have Memphis at LW, at RW he can't cut inside so he would probably be ineffective there.
We have 4 spots at least maybe 5 if de Gea goes, that needs strenghtening.

Yet that's where he's being utilised by Brazil. So why couldn't we also utilise him in that position? He's scored 3 goals in 6 games for Brazil in that position (in friendlies granted). But the point is that he can still play in that position. I think he'd be a perfect signing for us because he'd not only provide us with a #9 option but also give us backup as a #10 which is very useful when LvG is considering Substitutions.
 
Yet that's where he's being utilised by Brazil. So why couldn't we also utilise him in that position? He's scored 3 goals in 6 games for Brazil in that position after all (in friendlies granted). But the point is that he can still play in that position. I think he'd be a perfect signing for us because he'd not only provide us with a #9 option but also give us backup as a #10 which is very useful when LvG is considering Substitutions.

I would call that a false 9, and it is not how LvG uses his 9, unless it was maybe Messi. You can see now how he want's Rooney to be diciplined and occupy defenders and let the midfield create it's chances.
All i'm saying is that he is a bonus if we get him, but there is far more important positions we need strenghtening.
 
Does he speak German?

He is in Germany since 2010... (and his name ain't Kagawa...)

When I look into Bayern's transfers the recent seasons it is very good when the name is not mentioned too much in the rumours... - that does not mean anything.
 
I would call that a false 9, and it is not how LvG uses his 9, unless it was maybe Messi. You can see now how he want's Rooney to be diciplined and occupy defenders and let the midfield create it's chances.
All i'm saying is that he is a bonus if we get him, but there is far more important positions we need strenghtening.

Well I disagree. Our CF's were awful last season, it's one of the key areas of the pitch we need to strengthen with RvP and Falcao both off. Firmino would bring us technique, pace, movement and goals.
 
Well I disagree. Our CF's were awful last season, it's one of the key areas of the pitch we need to strengthen with RvP and Falcao both off. Firmino would bring us technique, pace, movement and goals.

I agree that we need a new striker, but i don't think he is the right "type" of striker to fit LvG's needs.
 
Not Benzema. Not Benteke. Not Mandzukic.

I would say Harry Kane, but I would rather let him have another season at Spurs, even if it means paying more next year, than pay right now a large amount, for a player that could be one season wonder. I don't personally think he will be, but we can go without him for now...

A lot of people will say that he is not proven, but I would go with Rooney, James Wilson and RVP as strikers. If we sell RVP, well... that is a big if.

Firmino is a big talent, but I am not convinced we need that type of player right now. But again, if LVG is thinking about getting rid of Di Maria / if Di Maria wants to go... then it would make a lot of sense.
 
Not Benzema. Not Benteke. Not Mandzukic.

I would say Harry Kane, but I would rather let him have another season at Spurs, even if it means paying more next year, than pay right now a large amount, for a player that could be one season wonder. I don't personally think he will be, but we can go without him for now...

A lot of people will say that he is not proven, but I would go with Rooney, James Wilson and RVP as strikers. If we sell RVP, well... that is a big if.

Firmino is a big talent, but I am not convinced we need that type of player right now. But again, if LVG is thinking about getting rid of Di Maria / if Di Maria wants to go... then it would make a lot of sense.

This post makes no sense to me. What type of striker do you think we need?
 
Perfect #10 for LVG. He's technical, skillful, hardworking and relentless and can be morphed into a #9 in the mould of Benzema. I'll like him at United.
 
James Cooper just said on Sky Sports we are not interested, because we already have alot of attacking midfielders, and you can't really argue with that. There is other positions who are far more important right now

TBH I don't see why people keep omitting the fact that we will probably sell. LVG said it would be a heavy summer, expect some out goings.
 
I don't think your assessment about Firmino is correct. Stats prove that he offers defensive contribution, and is actually comparable to Fellaini's, contrary to the stereotype against Brazillian attacking midfielders.

Fellaini - 2.1 tackles, 0.9 interceptions and 2 clearances per game
Firmino - 2.7 tackles, 1.1 interceptions and 0.8 clearances per game

And Firmino offers way more when it comes to attacking.
Stats like that are so so laughable when comparing different player different teams different leagues. You can get a handful of stats to prove anything. Gone are the days when people actually watch football and try to understand it. I just watch fellaini in the last five mins of a game when we're under the cosh win every single header that goes into our box. You can't replace that with a small brazilian number 10 no matter how many tackle stats you try to compare
 
This post makes no sense to me. What type of striker do you think we need?
The one that is not available on the market. World Class proven player. One we could realistically sign. A young clone of Alan Shearer, Gabriel Batistuta od Andy Cole xD Hypoteticaly a clone of Luis Suarez would also be a good buy.

Robert Lewandowski would be fine. Romelu Lukaku at its finest maybe.

The problem is, Mandzukic, Bezema, Jackson Martinez, Karim Benzema... are either too costly, or not proven in the Premiership. And while we didn't spent an awful lot on Falcao, we cant and do not want to afford another "Falcao". I would mind any of them if they came cheap or for no fee. But splashing out quoted sums for a 27 year old strikers who never played in Premier league.. please no.

If we are going to play with one "conventional" striker in either 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 we can stick to Rooney and Wilson and RVP and try to buy center back and center / defensive oriented midfielder.
 
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