Yes. And ETH had so many players injured throughout the entire season. So what's the difference? I rather not have De Zebri managing united.
Roberto De Zerbi
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I did not say I wanted him at Utd...I just replied to a poster that asked about Brighton this season.
ffs facing the old manager farewell bounce
To be fair, they have. They lost their best players last season and didn't really replace them, too.
I think they've been missing their front three for most of the season in Mitoma, March and Ferguson. Think they've missed their two full backs most of the season, CBs in and out, and midfielders seem to have been in and out too. But they don't have backup to these players anywhere near the same quality. They've relied on the likes of Lallana, Miller and Welbeck a lot, they've played CBs in midfield etc. Losing Mitoma and March has really hurt them in my opinion. When you see the likes of Adringa and Enciso (a CM/CAM) on the wings, it's just a big drop off in ability in those positions. Estupinan also has only featured in half their games and has had a stop start season.
If you took our injury problems and added long term injury to Garnacho, niggling injuries to Hojlund, Dalot and Mainoo, and long term injury to Rashford (in form, March had 7 apps 3 goals and 1 assist before injury) then you'd have something like the injury issues they have. And they don't have the quality we do in backup players either.
To be honest, I've not watch a lot of them this season, but if the likes of Mitoma have been missing that does explain quite a bit.
Yeah that's a big loss for them, he was their most dangerous player and it's been a disaster of a season for him when his stock was rising.
I said recently that next season everyone would be talking about Brighton/De Zerbi again once these players are back, but obviously he's leaving now anyway. But in my opinion, it's an amazing chance now for another manager to come in and work with a team with low expectations but the ability to punch way above their weight. They're really well coached, a young squad and have some talented players now/ coming through who aren't getting much notice just yet. Kieron McKenna or somebody of that ilk would do great ther. Even Potter would be wise to go back there and rebuild his reputation, if he has the chance.
I haven't watched them at all. But is he not flexible with his tactics?
Given the injuries, has he stuck with plan A? This is one of my issues with EtH who stuck with plan A despite injuries.
I don't watch them every week so can't say for sure, but they play largely the same way in the games I've seen. They still press high and play the same way, just with less quality. It's not been good for them in terms of results, but I suppose it's been good for the younger players to adapt to his system. Today will be interesting as they'll have a depleted team again, and with the space they afford at the back we should exploit them. Will he change it up at all?
If he was coming to us, I’d have thought Brighton wouldn’t agree to let him go… they’d ask for compensation?
RDZ is just as, if not more stubborn.
I just don't see the point in overhyping these teams and coaches in September when they still have a whole season in front of them.
It's all nonsense, it was almost guaranteed that they would drop down with the extra European games and a weaker squad than last season.
I have no doubt he's a good coach, but is he really any better than Potter? That's where I'm looking. Would they have finished 6th with Potter? Would Potter have had them 10th this season?
Reality is he's not done the amazing job people would like to believe, he's has them right back to where they were before he joined.
Looks like he should be in a 90s nu metal band.
Thanks guys.
Definitely do not want him at United then if he doesn't have a plan B.
Btw I don't think EtH is stubborn, I think he's a bit clueless.
OT, my impression is ETH stuck with Plan A because of the injuries, not despite them
I never considered that, maybe you're right.
Him being available might have made it easier for Ratcliffe to sack ETH. Won’t have to pay compensation so will just have to pay of ETH final year of his contract. I’m not sure if this would be a good move though… still undecided with De Zerbi. When his teams lose they lose quite ugly and can concede 5/6 goals. But his playing out from the back is very good.
I see. Thanks for clarifying.
Feel like it isn’t really mentioned at all that perhaps why he/Brighton have struggled massively compared to last season is that they lost all of Caicedo, Trousard, and Macalister. Pretty much their 3 best players all within a short timeframe. Colwill did really well there on loan, too.
I still think that at a big club with much better talent and a much bigger transfer budget he will cook. If our board suddenly decided that Poch won’t stay (which would be extremely stupid) then I’d happily take RDZ.
I still think that at a big club with much better talent and a much bigger transfer budget he will cook. If our board suddenly decided that Poch won’t stay (which would be extremely stupid) then I’d happily take RDZ.
His team, when fit and firing, has played some really good football even this season. I wouldn't mind seeing him at a bigger club, maybe even here. His brand of football with higher quality players could be a joy to behold.
Not a massive surprise. He was speaking earlier in the season about potentially moving on and he's been having a whinge about recruitment. The way Brighton work you need to buy into that 100% as manager and it's clear that wasn't the case with De Zerbi.
Hopefully we stay clear!
Hopefully we stay clear!
Hopefully that'll be the case.
So not united huh, shame.
I doubt he's available though, he's agreed to join someone it just hasn't been announced yet (likely as that club still has a manger and some games left to play)
it could be United but seems highly unlikely, but if it was we would surely be paying compensation
If I were him in that situation I'd want my departure announced before the end of the season too, so the staff, players and fans were aware my last game was my last game. And it makes sense the other team wouldn't want to announce the new hire quite yet also.
That's precisely the point. We don't have the quality players yet. This is again going to be a transformation season for us and any new manager will find the exact same challenges ETH is facing now.
That's why i am okay for ETH to continue for one more year and see where we are by December. By that time the whole new hierarchy would be in place.
There is no quick fix unfortunately. Chopping the manager every 2 years isn't the solution.
Btw, Bayern ruled out signing him.
I agree with most of this. The biggest issue with having had the disastrous end to the season that we have had is that there now is so much pressure to make a managerial change before the new hierarchy is in place. Making a new managerial appointment now is not ideal at all. However, if Berrada and Wilcoxs background from City will influence the style they're supposedly implementing, de Zerbi would probably be high on their list and it might make sense to make that move now that he is available.
I personally am willing to roll with whatever decision (almost) that the new hierarchy makes going forward, be that hiring a new manager or giving ten Hag a shot under new management, because it will be football people making those decisions with the long term in mind. That is a huge change from how its been since 2013.
He surely has another job lined up?
Would he fit Utd?
The Athletic gives an analysis-based argument that his style would fit our current squad well. From about 16minutes 30 in.
The Athletic gives an analysis-based argument that his style would fit our current squad well. From about 16minutes 30 in.
AC Milan.
Gazetta seems to think that is unlikely.
Retirement.
Unpopular opinion here it seems but I’d much rather want RDZ than ETH. Every time I’ve seen Brighton this season they’ve dominated the game.
TBF I don't think it's that unpopular if those were the only two choices.
he can certainly coach and deserves some mitigation for their fall off considering the players they lost through sale and injury. basically lost his 3 best players last summer. whether he could do it here though, who even knows anymore.
Brighton do play some lovely football, you do wonder what could Di Zerbi do if he could spend 300-400 million on a team in 2 years how a team could look.
He’s schooled ETH every single time they’ve come up against each other. It’s absolutely tragic. Who knows if De Zerbi is good enough for a big club (we’ll see) but we sure as shit know for a fact that ETH isn’t.
De Zerbi IMO is the best manager out there to get us playing the type of football City and Arsenal play.
If we want to progress and compete again we need to dominate games, pin the opposition in their half and keep possession. I think De Zerbi can eventually get us to that point.
Also it's the perfect time to hire a manager like him to change the clubs style of play. We're coming off an 8th place finish with no Europe. Expectations would be low and he'd have time to implement the change.
If we want to progress and compete again we need to dominate games, pin the opposition in their half and keep possession. I think De Zerbi can eventually get us to that point.
Also it's the perfect time to hire a manager like him to change the clubs style of play. We're coming off an 8th place finish with no Europe. Expectations would be low and he'd have time to implement the change.
I agree, if the next manager is identified by playing philosophy he's certainly a good recommendation.
I understand the stubbornness comments but at the very least the league has seen what RDZ does and he's had sustained success with it last season. That's the difference with Erik who's for the majority of the season has been stubborn with an approach that has proven to be fundamentally flawed.
If however INEOS are looking for managerial pedigree then perhaps Tuchel or someone who's had big club experience is fitting.
I think this season shows RDZ doesn't have a magic wand. Finishing behind United and Chelsea is no crime, given the resources of those clubs. But Brighton finish with near identical records to Palace, Bournemouth and Fulham. He's a good coach, but not able to overcome the fundamentals - the need for good players and a balanced squad with the right mentality. If the new team at the top can do their job, RDZ could succeed at United as a first team coach. But if he had the same shit to put up with as ETH and co all did, I see nothing there to make me think he'd achieve much more. The choice of first team manager is still of secondary concern vs the need for a better senior management team.
Think some of the comments are a bit harsh regarding how he's done this season. Lost two elite central midfielders without receiving adequate replacements, their two most productive players missing for more than half a season and almost the entire season respectively, coupled with recurring injuries to their back line. For a team that focuses heavily on building out from the back I think those circumstances are mitigating enough to finish in 11th. His main fault would be that he hasn't adapted his tactics enough to compensate for the drop-down in quality that's available to him through sales and injuries, but I think in a team where the drop-off in quality between starters and bench players isn't as steep he'd do a splendid job.
Brighton finishing positions in top tier football
2016-2017 (Championship) 2nd place (get promoted)
2017-2018 15th
2018-2019 17th
19-20 15th
20-21 16th
21-22 9th
22-23 6th- best premier league finish ever, inevitable sale of two best midfielders to make money for next step
23-24 9th
So their position was 15-17 before potter came in, he pushed them up to 9th (which for a club like Brighton is a fantastic position, De Zerbi finished them in 6th and then after losing their two stars and massive injuries they are 9th (which is just higher than their previous positions.
I think so . But the reports he wanted to be in charge of transfers is not a good sign and I don’t want him if that’s the role he wants.
I would be so happy with McKenna to Brighton and after two to three years we sign him.McKenna to Brighton
De zerbi is highly rated by INEOS he was earmarked by Barrada at city to take over from Pep whenever he left.
I always thought De zerbi would come here