Pickle85
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Southgate threw away the 1-0 against Croatia by going into his shell and reverting to his default which is cautious and unambitious. It's no coincidence that our best points in the second half coincided with us trying to be progressive and our worst coincided with us sitting back. Croatia had just been run into the ground against Russia while we'd only had an easy 90 Vs Sweden, so we should have been in good shape to maintain the sort of intensity that served us well initially. Southgate bottled it. Just like he did against Italy.The manager is not on the pitch. He can't defend in place of his players. What the feck are you even going on about here, seriously. How did Southgate throw away a 1-0 lead against Croatia, do explain please
Uh? Back 5 worked just fine in Russia, and he already dropped it for the Euros except when he used it to surprise the opponent - which generally worked, too (see the final)
I'm saying it's very unlikely that you would upgrade given the quality of the job he is doing right now. Pedigree means feck all at international level. Capello is one of the very best managers the sport has ever seen and look how that went.
You are greatly underestimating how difficult it is to even get the results England managed under him(easy draws, sure, you've still cocked those up in the past and hey, remember what Napoleon said about good generals vs lucky ones?) massively overrating the impact of the manager on individual international games, and choosing to ignore the fact that as it stands England are one lucky break away from winning the Euros - like, say, winning a penalty shootout
Tl;dr Southgate is doing a 8/10 job, the only thing England missed to win stuff is more luck(and possibly Kane not missing crucial chances) and the chances of the next guy doing better than that are so small that England would likely be better off sticking with the guy. Want to know the difference between Scaloni and Southgate? His players won a penalty shootout. That's it.
The bolded bit in your message is just dumb. Are you saying that managers have no bearing on the result unless they can step out to play themselves? To quote you: What the feck are you even going on about here, seriously.
You quote Napoleon on good generals Vs lucky generals in southgate's favour before going on to say he's only unsuccessful because he's been unlucky - you say 'the only thing England missed to win stuff is more luck(and possibly Kane not missing crucial chances)'. So which is it? Your argument seems to be predicated upon the fact that we couldn't get a better manager in, which presupposes that Southgate is a top class manager. Do you think that Southgate is a top class manager? Would you be happy with him at Madrid?