Robert Lewandowski

[MikeUpNorth]

Dortmund are pretty rich now right? And I don't think the amount they ll get from bayern will be that much.

So just sell him abroad, to Monaco/psg/ anzhi/ man city whatever. He can go there now or he can stay with them for the year and then leave on a free next summer. But I don't get what they have to gain from selling him to bayern now.

I agree. If they see Bayern as that big a problem, just have a blanket rule that you don't sell to them. Bayern can obviously meet release clauses or take out-of-contract players, but don't sell to them otherwise.

 

[Godfather]

So, because EPL is 'stronger' than Bundesliga (without wanting to go into an endless debate, I don't think that it is) we have the right of signing the best players in the league, but Bayern doesn't, because it weakens the league?

I didnt say it's stronger. The EPL has a lot more title challengers though. With us there's at least 2 others next year that are good enough to win it.
I'm not saying Bayern don't have the right to do it. They are a huge reason why the situation in the BL is what it is though. They are for years almost the only team you know is going to challenge for the title. Because they bought every talent from any other club that looked to become dangerous.

It's not sth they aren't entitled to. They have the money, they can do whatever they like to do with it. It's a reason for me, and for many others, not to like them though.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Is our attempt to try and stamp our only title rivals into the ground by doing that? You really have not much of a clue what Bayern are about do you?
Are we the only ones in the PL doing it? Are Spurs or Arsenal our only title rivals? Can we afford both Wilshere and Bale? Can we afford one of them?

Signing RvP both weakened Arsenal and also stopped City getting him, in case you've forgotten.

Also, obviously we're not the only ones in the PL doing it, seeing as I said in my post that the main thing separating us from Bayern is that fact that they don't have to compete with sugar daddies like Chelsea and City for signing players.

 

[Lailiani]

Just change Lewandowski, BVB and Bayern names with Berbatov, Spurs and United, and guess what, you have a similar scenario.

You don't get it. For every Berbatov saga at United, Bayern can provide ten Gomez/Lewandowski/Götze/Elber/Klose/Neuer sagas.

And whilst we paid tons of money for Berbatov, he really can't and couldn't be considered a hot talent. Let alone the fact that Spurs are hardly serious title contenders.

 

[Godfather]

Signing RvP both weakened Arsenal and also stopped City getting him, in case you've forgotten.

Also, obviously we're not the only ones in the PL doing it, seeing as I said in my post that the main thing separating us from Bayern is that fact that they don't have to compete with sugar daddies like Chelsea and City for signing players.

When was the last time we bought a player from a title rival? Honest question. And when was the last time this weakened our title rival heavily?

And don't give me RvP. Arsenal wouldnt have competed for the title with or without him.
It's sth Bayern are known for and it's ok. They can do it why shouldnt they. It's not healthy for the BL and it's certainly the reason why many can't stand them.

 

[africanspur]

Didnt know Spurs won the league and looked to be our only real title challenger in the following when we bought Berbatov

Yeah I don't think anyone is saying you're as bad as bayern who will be really taking the piss if they take both goetze and lewandowski this summer.

But the situations are different. I imagine you'd find it very difficult to take any players from your two main rivals, the oil clubs. You're certainly not averse to taking players from the clubs just below though (spurs and arsenal).

Who knows where we'd be if we d kept berbatov, keane and carrick? Who knows where arsenal would be if you, chelsea and city hadn't bought a large number of players off them over the past few years? It's impossible to predict in football. And I don't think you ever buy player with the intention of keeping clubs down. It's a nice bonus though.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Hmmm.

There is a lot of difference between what they do, and what we do.

What's the big difference? Under SAF we've always been absolutely ruthless when it comes to getting the players we want, regardless of the club they're at. If they're unable to compete with us financially, we will happily go straight for their best young (especially British) players. We used to do it to Leeds all the time before Chelsea and City came along. We used to regularly break transfer records in order to get the best young players in the league.

Like I said, that's the big difference, unlike Bayern, we are not privileged to be by far the wealthiest and most powerful club in our country anymore, due to the sugar daddy influx of the last decade, but I guarantee if we were in the same position, hell, if practically any team was in the same position that Bayern are, we/they would do the exact same thing.

 

[Bohman]

Didnt know Spurs won the league and looked to be our only real title challenger in the following when we bought Berbatov

Agree. Premier League have more teams with financial muscles which makes it more interesting. Bayern Munich is the only big fish in the German pond because the other teams don´t get the chance to be successful over a longer period.

 

[Revan]

Didnt know Spurs won the league and looked to be our only real title challenger in the following when we bought Berbatov

Does it matter that much? Spurs were building a team and getting their best player considerably weakened them. They still don't have a good striker.

Don't you think that good United, wouldn't have singed Gerard, Lampard, Shearer or Henry if we had the chance? Guess what, we tried to sign some of them.

You don't get it. For every Berbatov saga at United, Bayern can provide ten Gomez/Lewandowski/Götze/Elber/Klose/Neuer sagas.

And whilst we paid tons of money for Berbatov, he really can't and couldn't be considered a hot talent. Let alone the fact that Spurs are hardly serious title contenders.

I fecking get it. It's a hypocrisy of the biggest scale what you are saying. Disguising club for signing the best players in their league. One of them the biggest German talent in decades. fecking hell, it is ridiculous what you are saying.

 

[Massive Spanner]

When was the last time we bought a player from a title rival? Honest question. And when was the last time this weakened our title rival heavily?

And don't give me RvP. Arsenal wouldnt have competed for the title with or without him.
It's sth Bayern are known for and it's ok. They can do it why shouldnt they. It's not healthy for the BL and it's certainly the reason why many can't stand them.

How do Arsenal not count? You can't just take them out of the equation like that.

Anyway, you know it's not my point, as I've already said, TWICE, our main title rivals are far, far richer than Dortmund are and can offer players more money than we can, so obviously we can't do to City and Chelsea what Bayern do to Dortmund, but you think we wouldn't, if we could? Like we used to do to Leeds, like we do to Spurs? Come on, it's simple fecking business!

 

[africanspur]

I'm a bit confused as to why people think fergie didn't do what bayern do on a more regular basis? Do you think its because of some kind of moral aversion to taking other good teams' good players?

 

[Revan]

What's the big difference? Under SAF we've always been absolutely ruthless when it comes to getting the players we want, regardless of the club they're at. If they're unable to compete with us financially, we will happily go straight for their best young (especially British) players. We used to do it to Leeds all the time before Chelsea and City came along. We used to regularly break transfer records in order to get the best young players in the league.

Like I said, that's the big difference, unlike Bayern, we are not privileged to be by far the wealthiest and most powerful club in our country anymore, due to the sugar daddy influx of the last decade, but I guarantee if we were in the same position, hell, if practically any team was in the same position that Bayern are, we/they would do the exact same thing.

Completely agree with your post.

Not being the most financially powerful club in the England anymore, doesn't give us the moral ground to criticize others for what we would have done if we had the chance.

How many of you who are criticizing Bayern would refuse for us to sign Aguero or Yaya Toure (players who are at the next best team)?

 

[Red Shorts]

Dammit, just read he's agreed to go to Bayern. Not the fact we were linked to him, but the fact they have just strengthened even further in an area that isn't too bad.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

I'm a bit confused as to why people think fergie didn't do what bayern do on a more regular basis? Do you think its because of some kind of moral aversion to taking other good teams' good players?

Andy Cole is the perfect example of when we bought the star from our title rivals.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I'm a bit confused as to why people think fergie didn't do what bayern do on a more regular basis? Do you think its because of some kind of moral aversion to taking other good teams' good players?

Indeed, it's bizarre.

It's common business logic really, strengthen yourself by weakening your rivals, not just in football, everywhere, yet somehow Bayern are "disgusting" because they do it? Right.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Andy Cole is the perfect example of when we bought the star from our title rivals.

Not to mention trying to get Shearer off Blackburn. We also used to regularly raid Leeds for their best players.

 

[Godfather]

Does it matter that much?

It does for my argument.

Many seem to understand sth wrong. That a financially stronger and more succesful team will buy players from lesser teams is natural. It's always been that way. No question about it. It sucks for those teams and for their fans but that's the way it works.

The special situation in the Bundesliga is though that Bayern are the only, really the only team that is able to get the BEST players from their tital rivals. And the reason for that are also, for large amount, Bayern, as they have used those tactics for a long time now, which makes it impossible for other teams, that would normally be able to (Leverkusen, Stuttgart, Dortmund), to stay up there and challenge with Bayern for many years.

It's a shame, but as I've mentioned they can do it, and why shouldnt they. But it is also a reason for me to call them cnuts.

 

[Spoony]

Indeed, it's bizarre.

It's common business logic really, strengthen yourself by weakening your rivals, not just in football, everywhere, yet somehow Bayern are "disgusting" because they do it? Right.

Not disgusting nor is it a moral issue, the problem is that it's not good for the Bundersliga. And that's pretty much it. And yes we'd it and all, but that's not the point.

 

[Massive Spanner]

It does for my argument.

Many seem to understand sth wrong. That a financially stronger and more succesful team will buy players from lesser teams is natural. It's always been that way. No question about it. It sucks for those teams and for their fans but that's the way it works.

The special situation in the Bundesliga is though that Bayern are the only, really the only team that is able to get the BEST players from their tital rivals. And the reason for that are also, for large amount, Bayern, as they have used those tactics for a long time now, which makes it impossible for other teams, that would normally be able to (Leverkusen, Stuttgart, Dortmund), to stay up there and challenge with Bayern for many years.

It's a shame, but as I've mentioned they can do it, and why shouldnt they. But it is also a reason for me to call them cnuts.

And if had the luxury of being in that situation still, we'd do the exact same thing.

Not disgusting nor is it a moral issue, the problem is that it's not good for the Bundersliga. And that's pretty much it. And yes we'd it and all, but that's not the point.

Yeah but that's the point I'm arguing here, obviously it's not good for the league.

 

[Care_de_Bobo]

You hated the fact that we signed Van Persie? And I bet you would feel very bad if we sign Wilshere, or God forbid if we sign Bale.

Did you stopped watching the disgusting United when we signed Kagawa, and considerably weakened Dortmund by getting their best player?

Before Van Persie when was the last time we signed a player from a genuine rival? In fact more have gone the other way, Sylvestre, Veron and obviously Tevez who didn't have a contract with us but he still moved to a rival for more money. I'd hesitate before I called Arsenal a genuine rival to us right now anyway.

You have to go back to when we signed Rio from Leeds for the last time we signed a player from a genuine rival, though they weren't exactly a threat in the league, and before that Andy Cole. Sure we sign a lot of young English talent from other clubs, but we have to pay over the odds for them and if we don't sign them another big club will because we there are plenty of teams who can afford them.

Bayern seem to do it every time another German club has any success, Ballack and Ze Roberto from Leverkusen after they reached the CL final, Neuer after Schalke made the semis, and now Goetze after a great couple of years for Dortmund. Those clubs can't build and are often no more than a flash in the pan as a result.

And if you think we have a chance of signing Wilshere and Bale, who don't really play for direct rival anyway, then you are seriously deluded.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

Not disgusting nor is it a moral issue, the problem is that it's not good for the Bundersliga. And that's pretty much it. And yes we'd it and all, but that's not the point.

Are Bayern any more dominant historically in the Bundesliga than we are in England, or Madrid/Barca are in Spain? The record looks similar enough to me to say that the German league isn't exceptional in this regard.

 

[africanspur]

It does for my argument.

Many seem to understand sth wrong. That a financially stronger and more succesful team will buy players from lesser teams is natural. It's always been that way. No question about it. It sucks for those teams and for their fans but that's the way it works.

The special situation in the Bundesliga is though that Bayern are the only, really the only team that is able to get the BEST players from their tital rivals. And the reason for that are also, for large amount, Bayern, as they have used those tactics for a long time now, which makes it impossible for other teams, that would normally be able to (Leverkusen, Stuttgart, Dortmund), to stay up there and challenge with Bayern for many years.

It's a shame, but as I've mentioned they can do it, and why shouldnt they. But it is also a reason for me to call them cnuts.

So in Germany, they only have to deal with one such club and in the UK, we have to deal with 3? Whoopdedoo.

The only difference here is that we have 2 oil rich clubs to compete with our bayern.

I don't think anyone doesn't think bayern are cnuts for doing this, I definitely think they are. But they are doing what any club in their position does as you've said (and what you used to do and continue to do on a smaller scale).

And you may not be too surprised that many fans of other teams have the same opinion of Man utd and recently Chelsea and Man city as well.

 

[alastair]

It isn't actually good business logic for Bayern though, in the medium/long term.

The Bundesliga is at massive risk of becoming a one team league now. Nabbing the two best players off second place might seem great at first but it's actually pretty depressing for the league. I still think Dortmund will probably finish 2nd next year. They still have some quality there, and will have some money to reinvest.

There isn't a hope in hell they'll get close to Bayern though. No chance. Bayern will be straight in for Gundogan in a couple of seasons and the whole cycle will start again.

Whilst Bayern win all of these league titles, however, they will gradually be strangling themselves. The league will become less interesting to the worldwide market, and they won't get the TV deals that really provide the money to these clubs. They'll win the Bundesliga every year, but they'll struggle more and more to attract the top players from elsewhere and it'll become harder and harder to win European Cups.

This would have happened in England if it wasn't for Chelsea and City being taken over by oil tycoons. Arsenal would be in second and Spurs would be in third. You'd have won 9 straight titles, we'd have lost Van Persie to you and Spurs would have lost Carrick and Berbatov, and would be hard pushed to keep Bale away too.

But this is financial fair play for you. The ultimate process of ensuring inequality.

 

[Revan]

It does for my argument.

Many seem to understand sth wrong. That a financially stronger and more succesful team will buy players from lesser teams is natural. It's always been that way. No question about it. It sucks for those teams and for their fans but that's the way it works.

The special situation in the Bundesliga is though that Bayern are the only, really the only team that is able to get the BEST players from their tital rivals. And the reason for that are also, for large amount, Bayern, as they have used those tactics for a long time now, which makes it impossible for other teams, that would normally be able to (Leverkusen, Stuttgart, Dortmund), to stay up there and challenge with Bayern for many years.

It's a shame, but as I've mentioned they can do it, and why shouldnt they. But it is also a reason for me to call them cnuts.

Well, we were at that exactly same position that Bayern are before the introduction of Roman's millions. Andy Cole? We tried to get Shearer. Did Neville said that Ferguson would have loved to get Gerrard or something like that.

Before Van Persie when was the last time we signed a player from a genuine rival? In fact more have gone the other way, Sylvestre, Veron and obviously Tevez who didn't have a contract with us but he still moved to a rival for more money. I'd hesitate before I called Arsenal a genuine rival to us right now anyway.

You have to go back to when we signed Rio from Leeds for the last time we signed a player from a genuine rival, though they weren't exactly a threat in the league, and before that Andy Cole. Sure we sign a lot of young English talent from other clubs, but we have to pay over the odds for them and if we don't sign them another big club will because we there are plenty of teams who can afford them.

Bayern seem to do it every time another German club has any success, Ballack and Ze Roberto from Leverkusen after they reached the CL final, Neuer after Schalke made the semis, and now Goetze after a great couple of years for Dortmund. Those clubs can't build and are often no more than a flash in the pan as a result.

And if you think we have a chance of signing Wilshere and Bale, who don't really play for direct rival anyway, then you are seriously deluded.

So, now we can't get that much players from our title rivals so we are a good club. Bayern on the other side can do it more (is that actually true anyway, when is the last time they did it, probably Ballack and Ze Roberto) so they are the bad guys. You would have loved though if we get Wilshere, Bale, Aguero and a young Gerrard, right?

 

[Godfather]

And if had the luxury of being in that situation still, we'd do the exact same thing.


Yeah but that's the point I'm arguing here, obviously it's not good for the league.

Balu, who's talking a lot of sense when it comes to Bayern himself said that he would prefer it if Lewa stayed at Dortmund. And he's a Bayern fan. Why? Well because it can be very positive for a club to have challengers. Bayern see it differently though.

What Bayern do is pisstaking. Do they need Lewandowski? fecking hell they got Mandzukic, Gomez and Pizarro! So no, we wouldnt do that I dont think and if we did it would also make us cnuts. If it's your favourite team this might be alright for you, if it's not I see no reason why I should be ok with that though.
I like Dortmund and what's happening to them because of Bayern doesnt seem alright imo.

 

[Revan]

It isn't actually good business logic for Bayern though, in the medium/long term.

People are saying this for ages, but still United is more successful in recent years than Bayern. For all the competitive Premier League, United have won 5 titles in the last 7 years. Bayern have won 3 titles in the same period.

 

[Spoony]

Are Bayern any more dominant historically in the Bundesliga than we are in England, or Madrid/Barca are in Spain? The record looks similar enough to me to say that the German league isn't exceptional in this regard.

No, but we've had to compete against sugar daddy clubs, thankfully we've had a great manager in charge, besides I can't see us dominating in the same way again. The worry for the Bundersliga is the possibility of it becoming a monopoly, Bayern've blown everyone away this season, how will BD be able to compete without a few stars who've decided to moved to Bavaria? Surely, it's a concern.

 

[RDCR07]

People are saying this for ages, but still United is more successful in recent years than Bayern. For all the competitive Premier League, United have won 5 titles in the last 7 years. Bayern have won 3 titles in the same period.

Yes but the overall strength of the league is increasing in England in terms of teams becoming stronger and attracting more high profile foreign players. You could hardly say the same thing for Germany. I dont see a lot of teams getting stronger nor do I see their league attracting high profile players from abroad.

 

[Godfather]

Well, we were at that exactly same position that Bayern are before the introduction of Roman's millions. Andy Cole? We tried to get Shearer. Did Neville said that Ferguson would have loved to get Gerrard or something like that.



So, now we can't get that much players from our title rivals so we are a good club. Bayern on the other side can do it more (is that actually true anyway, when is the last time they did it, probably Ballack and Ze Roberto) so they are the bad guys. You would have loved though if we get Wilshere, Bale, Aguero and a young Gerrard, right?

So we were in the same position (according to you, of course we weren't even close to be in the same position as Bayern are for years) and still only bought Andy Cole from title rivals?

So without knowing it you underlined my point

 

[Revan]

What United do is pisstaking. Do we needed Van Persie? fecking hell we got Rooney, Chicharito, Welbeck and Kagawa! So yes, we would do that I dont think and if we did it would also make us cnuts. If it's your favourite team this might be alright for you, if it's not I see no reason why I should be ok with that though.

Looks familiar?

 

[coolredwine]

What's the big difference? Under SAF we've always been absolutely ruthless when it comes to getting the players we want, regardless of the club they're at. If they're unable to compete with us financially, we will happily go straight for their best young (especially British) players. We used to do it to Leeds all the time before Chelsea and City came along. We used to regularly break transfer records in order to get the best young players in the league.

Like I said, that's the big difference, unlike Bayern, we are not privileged to be by far the wealthiest and most powerful club in our country anymore, due to the sugar daddy influx of the last decade, but I guarantee if we were in the same position, hell, if practically any team was in the same position that Bayern are, we/they would do the exact same thing.

As far as I can remember, we signed Rio and Smith from Leeds. Anyone else?

We wanted Hazard and Moura as well, apparently. Did we get them? We were in for Nasri as well (apparently). Did we get him? Yes, I am not really talking about British talent, but taking the whole general point of view.

As for British talents, we already have some of the best youngsters coming in from the academy. I don't think there is any other player that England has produced in the past few years which we can claim to be hot shit. (Wilshere is, but we might not buy him. Arsenal is not our title challengers as well).

What Bayern does while playing players is that they directly weaken their ONLY title challenger(s). We don't. There is your big difference. Our title challengers at the start of the noughties was Arsenal. Did we buy any player from them to weaken them? Now it's Chelsea and City. Are we looking to buy anyone from them?

 

[Spoony]

Are Bayern any more dominant historically in the Bundesliga than we are in England, or Madrid/Barca are in Spain? The record looks similar enough to me to say that the German league isn't exceptional in this regard.

And La Liga's ridiculous. It's a duopoly, can anyone see the likes of Depor, Valencia and Athletico compete again?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Balu, who's talking a lot of sense when it comes to Bayern himself said that he would prefer it if Lewa stayed at Dortmund. And he's a Bayern fan. Why? Well because it can be very positive for a club to have challengers. Bayern see it differently though.

What Bayern do is pisstaking. Do they need Lewandowski? fecking hell they got Mandzukic, Gomez and Pizarro! So no, we wouldnt do that I dont think and if we did it would also make us cnuts. If it's your favourite team this might be alright for you, if it's not I see no reason why I should be ok with that though.
I like Dortmund and what's happening to them because of Bayern doesnt seem alright imo.

It's not right, I like Dortmund a lot too and will be very disappointed if this happens, but sadly, it's just common business logic really. Bayern are by far the biggest and wealthiest club in Germany and can afford to do it, it doesn't make them any worse than other clubs, because us, Chelsea or City would do the exact same thing if we could, no doubt. And we did do it quite a few times before Chelsea and City because filthy rich. Real and Barca have been snapping up all the best La Liga players for years and years which has stopped either club having any genuine challengers other than each other.

Also, Lewa is an improvement on any striker they currently have, it's not like he was bought only to weaken Dortmund, he will definitely improve Bayern, and they'll probably get him for cheaper than they would another striker of his quality due to his contract situation.

 

[africanspur]

Yes but the overall strength of the league is increasing in England in terms of teams becoming stronger and attracting more high profile foreign players. You could hardly say the same thing for Germany. I dont see a lot of teams getting stronger nor do I see their league attracting high profile players from abroad.

Why does that mean anything if the same 3 clubs finish in the top 3 positions and the clubs just below have their players picked off at will?

 

[alastair]

People are saying this for ages, but still United is more successful in recent years than Bayern. For all the competitive Premier League, United have won 5 titles in the last 7 years. Bayern have won 3 titles in the same period.

I'm hardly saying the league here is perfect, but United have never won the league by 25 points(although ten points this year was bad enough).

My point is that City and Chelsea make it competitive and at least get close to the title, which makes it an interesting watch. Watching Bayern destroy everyone next season won't be that entertaining, much as watching Barcelona torment a side that has a 50th of their budget isn't particularly alluring to the worldwide audience either.

 

[Balu]

Balu said in some thread that Bayern have the problem that the top tier players from other countries than Germany wouldnt want to joing them over the likes of Real, Barca, United, Chelsea or City because the league in Germany isnt regarded as attractive as the Spanish or English league.

The funny thing is that Bayern are for a huge, huge amount responsable for exactly that. Stamping every club that challenges back into the ground by buying their best talents for years. No matter if it's Leverkusen, Stuttgart or now Dortmund. For the German league to become more attractive there must be more than 1 team challenging for the title.

Frustrating stuff

The players would have gone anyway, don't you think? Diego moved to Juve, Özil to Real, how does that help Bremen? Vidal left Leverkusen for Juve, they didn't let him go to Bayern, what a huge difference now, we bought Martinez instead. Khedira left Stuttgart for Madrid, when Bayern wasn't interested. Lewandowski wanted to leave anyway, how is it better for Dortmund if he goes to United and let's say Rooney comes to Bayern for example?

I get why Dortmund fans are hurt. But supposed "neutral" fans should be able to see at least slightly above the emotional drama. The problem isn't Bayern buying players who wanted to leave anyway. The problem was everything that happened around the Kirch-crisis in 2002 which lead to the Bundesliga being completely shit for half a decade and the problems in the german youth system back then. Bayern were the only club who didn't feck up and that's why we came out financially clearly ahead. It's not our fault that Dortmund almost went bankrupt in 2005 ffs.

The whole league is in transition but on the caf a lot of people aren't interested in the development of the league, looking at changes and why they actually happened. It's just superficial nonsense spread around to confirm the cliches they want to believe in because it fits their agenda. Dortmund have a bright future despite Götze and Lewandowski leaving. You just need to look at the changes in the surroundings and how they differ to the past. But then it's harder to throw all those stupid accusations at Bayern, so you choose not to.

Is our attempt to try and stamp our only title rivals into the ground by doing that? You really have not much of a clue what Bayern are about do you?
Are we the only ones in the PL doing it? Are Spurs or Arsenal our only title rivals? Can we afford both Wilshere and Bale? Can we afford one of them?

Your focus is solely on domestic rivalry, which is pretty much nonsense if we look at Bayern's goals. It's not about stamping our domestic rivals into the ground, it's about building a team that is the best in europe within our possibilities. There are more then enough people from german football clubs who started to criticise Dortmund's hypocritical crying in the public with the goal to make Bayern look like the bad guys, when they are doing exactly the same, buying from all the teams that could threaten their goal to make the CL every year. A lot of them said publicly, it's good for german football that most of our players stay in the league. No one in germany would benefit when Götze, Reus, Gomez, Neuer would play abroad.

I'm not saying you shouldn't dislike Bayern for buying players from rivals, of course you can. Your conclusions towards the quality of the league, the problems and developments in german football are bullshit though.

 

[Revan]

So we were in the same position (according to you, of course we weren't even close to be in the same position as Bayern are for years) and still only bought Andy Cole from title rivals?

So without knowing it you underlined my point

Because Gascoine, Gerrard or Shearer refused us, that makes us the good guys? What about Rio, Berbatov and Van Persie?

Yes but the overall strength of the league is increasing in England in terms of teams becoming stronger and attracting more high profile foreign players. You could hardly say the same thing for Germany. I dont see a lot of teams getting stronger nor do I see their league attracting high profile players from abroad.

Yep, the Germans who had 2 teams in UCL final are in decline, but Premier League who didn't have a single team in quarter finals is becoming stringer. Seems logic.

 

[coolredwine]

Because Gascoine, Gerrard or Shearer refused us, that makes us the good guys? What about Rio, Berbatov and Van Persie?

Weren't signed from direct title rivals. But hey, carry on. Tell me more.

 

[Godfather]

People are saying this for ages, but still United is more successful in recent years than Bayern. For all the competitive Premier League, United have won 5 titles in the last 7 years. Bayern have won 3 titles in the same period.

And we did it inspite of sugar daddies flooding our league. And we never bought a single player from either Chelsea or City since their takeovers and since they competed with us.
Nor did we do this regularly when we could have done. We concentrated more on our own youth, or buying young talents with a lot of potential ourselves. I'm not saying we didnt buy great players from the English league. Of course we did. But we did it when we needed them and only to strengthen ourselves. And we did it from lesser teams who wouldnt have been able to hold onto those players in the long term anyway. Bayern deliberatley want to weaken other teams though. They buy players in positions that they have 3 worldclass players already. And that's why I can't stand them.

Bayern also do a really really good work with their youth. So I don't see any reason why they must take the piss the way they are. I'm sure they could be at least as successfull without stamping their title challengers into the ground by buying their talents just for the sake of it.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

No, but we've had to compete against sugar daddy clubs, thankfully we've had a great manager in charge, besides I can't see us dominating in the same way again. The worry for the Bundersliga is the possibility of it becoming a monopoly, Bayern've blown everyone away this season, how will BD be able to compete without a few stars who've decided to moved to Bavaria? Surely, it's a concern.

In 2000-01 we dominated the league, and then followed up in the summer by signing Van Nistelrooy and Veron. It looked like we would dominate the league for years to come, but we only won one of the next five titles. Who knows.