If he can click with Torres then he will be a useful addition. Hopefully they will take points off Chelsea and Arsenal. But the guy is 28 so it is a big gamble by Rafa, he will defo need to win something next year, and so does Wenger.
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If he can click with Torres then he will be a useful addition. Hopefully they will take points off Chelsea and Arsenal. But the guy is 28 so it is a big gamble by Rafa, he will defo need to win something next year, and so does Wenger.
Has the annual "Its ON" crap started from the scouse twats
A reckon this will be a Bellamyesque fail. feckin hope so anyway I want to see his shit celebrations even less now!
my mother is a model. and the international argument is valid. cos thats where I got to see him play most of his football live. and his attitude is shit. he's an average player that is not going to get any better. he would not make the united first team and will not close any gap between the ever delusional dippers and the european champions . as for comparisons with rooney. give me a feckin break. rooney is a kid who is capable of becoming the best player in the world. and for an irish guy to say he doesnt give a flying feck how he plays for ireland says it all about you. pathetic. go stick your head back up your hole. put your keane posters up where your baros, litmanen, morientas, kuyt or voronin ones used to be and get ready for another season of disappointment. feckin liverpool fans. god theyre fecking eejits
They will now have to play Gerrard in a 4-4-2 which clearly won't work given his defensive shirking.....
Or Benitez will play his expensive signing on the right in an attempt to fit him in like he has done with Kuyt, Diouf etc
Verdict: 6th
Or Benitez will play his expensive signing on the right in an attempt to fit him in like he has done with Kuyt, Diouf etc
Verdict: 6th
My point was that Rooney is clearly quite good in league football but clearly completely pants for England. Robbie Keane is clearly quite good in league football but according to a lot of people quite pants for Ireland. Big fcuking deal. If he does the business for Liverpool then that does for me and every other Liverpool fan on the planet. Liverpool pay his wages, not Ireland.
I think you'll find that most England fans would say exactly the same thing. It is club form which is important.
Your comments about posters confirms what I thought, that you are about 16 or 17. Run along.
I wish international football would die
Mmmh, personally, I think you are just as likely to finish 6th as 1st, don't you?
leave out the 16 or 17 thing will ye? its not big or clever.
Keane is quite good in league football but thats all. quite good. and not consistantly enough despite what a seasons statistics might say. liverpool have just paid 20 million some say rising to more for a player that is quite good. if united had signed Robbie Keane I would be on here saying it like it is. what the feck are we paying 20 million for an average footballer like him for? why liverpool fans want to behave like every signing they make is the most amazing thing ever and the final piece in their world conquering jigsaw is beyond me. call it what it is. he's a player that was not chased by any other big club and went to liverpool for 20 million. i dont think there are too many other managers out there having to re draw their transfer plans. last year ye got torres. now that was good business and we'd have liked him at OT.
on the international front I will type this point slowly so you might get it. i go to watch Ireland. seeing a player live is how you can really judge them. as a united fan I dont go to watch spurs so its hard to form an opinion on them apart from the telly. so I'll stick with what I see on the field in front of me. Keane is seen as our big hope in games. he goes missing. he is not a team player. he is selfish in positions where a truly great player would make the right pass. he moans and his attitude stinks. he rarely scores against quality defenders and celebrates like a dog with two mickeys when he puts one past san marino. in other words a big time charlie. he is not liked or respected by his own fans for those very reasons.
and I dont make comments about posters. I made comments about you. cos you're a liverpool fan. and you're on a utd forum. and that makes you fair game. so grow the feck up or go back and talk delusional shite on rawk
That actually is true liverpool do certainly have more of a chance of fininshing 5th rather than 1st. afterall in the last 5 years liverpool have finished 5th more times than first.
They are still playing catch up with the top 3, even if you have signed robbie keane. Keane milner barry, it does highlight the clubs ambition.
They are still playing catch up with the top 3, even if you have signed robbie keane. Keane milner barry, it does highlight the clubs ambition.
Jesus you're a really big man with your condescending bolox. Show some respect and get off your fecking high horse. God forbid you were to walk around with the rest of us down here and you might realise the shite you're talking.
Regards the Keane transfer, he is a good footballer, simple as. As an Irishman, i'm dissapointed with his performances but tbf to the lad he runs himself into the ground everytime i see him play. However, the Pool still have only got two World Class players, with one of those dissapearing in the big games when he's needed. You will not win the League this year and that's just common sense.
BTW to compare Rooney and Keane is complete bolox, Rooney is in a league of his own and is still learning and improving. Keane is at his peak but unlike Rooney he doesn't have World Class ability. Torres is the only player i truely envy. feck it though, we're the best club team on the planet. Fact.
Liverpool will be Keane's 6th Club. Manchester United were Teddy Sheringham's 6th club.
Excuse me? You were the one making the non-big and non-clever comments trying to be funny about hanging posters on the wall etc.
I'm talking shite for assuming (possibly correctly, I don't know) someone is a teenager for the childish comments he made in the previous post? Or I'm talking shite because I think Robbie Keane will improve Liverpool?
And my comparison between Keane and Rooney was absolutely spot on if you care to take off your rose tinted specs. I did not compare the abilities of each player against each other so you can stroke that off your defensive radar.
Which bit was bollocks?
Is Rooney pretty good in the PL? Yes
Is Rooney pants at International level? Yes
Is Keane pretty good in the PL? Yes
Is Keane pants at International level? Yes
There is no doubt that Rooney may and should improve for England but the facts are that he has been pants for some time. If it would make you feel easier exchange Rooney for Gerrard. He is also pants at International level so far. it is not an anti-United comment. I was trying to show that international form means sod all if the league form is good as it is the league club which pays the transfer fee and wages.
Liverpool will be Keane's 6th Club. Manchester United were Teddy Sheringham's 6th club.
Yes but keane is overrated and sheringham was class and liverpool will continue to be shite.
Liverpool will be Keane's 6th Club. Manchester United were Teddy Sheringham's 6th club.
1. Teddy was 31 when he moved to United
2. Two of those five clubs he was at before United were loan moves as a teenager! He started his pro-career at Millwall, before Forest signed him and then he moved to Spurs before United.
He's quite clearly not, on here.
Is he?
No goals in 4 years (something like that) would suggest he's not doing too well.
Liverpool will be Keane's 6th Club. Manchester United were Teddy Sheringham's 6th club.
4th club each a gain in status; his other two were brief loans not a change of club, ie a young player gaining experience ......... its best if you know your facts before trying to be clever!
Not being an Irishman myself, I don't really follow the Ireland team, or pay much attention to their results. However, would I be right in saying that Keane is not exactly surrounded by household names when he pulls on the green shirt ?. Therefore, is it really fair to expect him to produce the same type of form that he produces in the Premiership ?.
As for the 'winning the league' bit. I think you'll find that none of the resident Liverpool fans on here have claimed that Keane will be the catalyst for our first title in 19 years. Most of us just feel he will be a good addition, & will take the pressure off the likes of Gerrard & Torres. From what I can see, it's mostly the United fans on board who are getting a bit hot under the collar because Rafa has made another big money signing on a proven Premiership goalscorer.
A bit hot under the collar about Liverpool signing Keane for £20m? Any examples? He's a good player and is an improvement but I don't think anyone is getting hot under the collar about it, in the slightest.You cannot compare Rooney with Keane or Gerrard. Both Pool players are in their prime, one is captain of their country and the other is vice-captain. Both should have the balls to stand up and be counted for their country when it matters, not against the likes of Derby and Fulham. Rooney has been Englands best player, notable exceptions are Ferdinand and Hargreaves, in the Euros and World Cups they have partaking. Injury prohibited Rooney from dominating one of those tournaments. That's not bias.
You're talking shite on a number of subjects but you don't need to patronise others, regardless of age. He may have talked bolox or insulted you, i don't know, i didn't see his post but thats because you may have proven him wrong. If you're going to prove a point, do it without condescending comments, it lowers many peoples opinions of you.
I'm not arguing either players ability, that would be thick. I would like to point out though, he will not be the missing piece of the jigsaw. As i said, you have two World Class players, one who stands up when its counted and one whos stands in the shadows. Liverpool will not win the League.
The idea behind purchases like Keane and Barry (should you get him) is to get the league this year, they are players who can come in and immediately perform in the premiership as they already have it's measure, Benitez certainly thinks these players can win it for you this season.
Good move for the dippers. They might just finish 3rd this year.
Whoah don't go overboard here, you have to put that into context. He is a big money signing and a talented player, noone can dispute that. However, he is not considered and has never been a striker who has proven himself as one of the top goal scorers in the PL. If Rafa wants a player that will score on average 15 goals a season, that's fine, he's got that now. I don't think any United fans should be getting hot under the collar, there's no need. Keane wouldn't start for us, he will for the Pool, big deal. He will improve your squad but not to the point where Liverpool can threaten as real title contenders. We are the best club team in the World, it's the other members of the so-called "big 4" that should be getting hot under the collar, not us.
As for the whole Irish debate, well you can look at it this way. There may not be many World Class players in the Irish starting XI, in fact there's only one IMO, Shay Given, but Keane can still perform at a level which the likes of Dunne and Given have. You could also argue that Gerrard, who is playing in a squad that is jampacked with stars, thats what the majority of both the English media and fans will have you believe anyway, should relish the England scene and be the star. That as we all know, hasn't happened.
I've said before, Keane is a talented player, there is no reason why he shouldn't improve your squad but it will not significanty boost your chances of being successful this year i.e winning a major trophy. In fact, since Benitez managed his inherited squad that won the CL and subsequently dismantled it, Liverpool have look less likely winning a trophy of any significance.
I wanna put some perspective into this. Englands highest goalscorer ever is bobby charlton with 49 and England have had some great players down the years
Robbies got 33 for the republic and he's still got a good 5 years in him and before him the record was average to say the least and he plays with average to good players.
So just 16 goals off bobby - and when people say about his international form etc. Forget it, he's had good games and bad ones but 1) eire haven't got a great squad and it will effect your performance and 2) inspite of that he's scored 33 goals, some of them important ones
He'll do well for pool but losing crouch, it's kinda like for like. I think Keane will get about 20 goals maybe more but behind him and torres, the other strikers are crap
So liverpool will improve because unlike crouch, Keane will play but you'll still finish 3rd at best. He's underrated by many because he's Irish but he's definitely one of those players, if you watch games, you fancy him scoring
Robbies got 33 for the republic and he's still got a good 5 years in him and before him the record was average to say the least and he plays with average to good players.
So just 16 goals off bobby - and when people say about his international form etc. Forget it, he's had good games and bad ones but 1) eire haven't got a great squad and it will effect your performance and 2) inspite of that he's scored 33 goals, some of them important ones
He'll do well for pool but losing crouch, it's kinda like for like. I think Keane will get about 20 goals maybe more but behind him and torres, the other strikers are crap
So liverpool will improve because unlike crouch, Keane will play but you'll still finish 3rd at best. He's underrated by many because he's Irish but he's definitely one of those players, if you watch games, you fancy him scoring
No harm to you edmundo but that up there with the biggest load of shite in this thread. That first paragraph just smacks completely of United bias - even you can see that.
As for your second paragraph, please don't patronise me. I made one comment to someone who was being a tit. It's a forum, get over it. I moved out of my parents house 17 years ago so I don't need you to take on the role of my dad. Thanks anyway.
Does the FA Cup not count as a mojor trophy these day?
Lets keep this to football without the lectures please.
None taking because i don't value your opinion too highly. I just love it when Pool fans really get their hopes each and every summer wanting, hoping, praying, wishing that it's going to be their year and as always, its over before it starts.
The first paragrapgh isn't bias, Hargreaves was one of Englands best players in the last major tournament they took part in, in fact he's the only player who came out of that tournament with some degree of pride. You cannot argue that Rooney looked destined to be the star of the show until he was struck by injury. You tell me of any player that performed at a higher than both if the above in either tournament.
And no i wouldn't put the FA cup on a par with either the PL or the CL, if you do, well than that just highlights the lack of ambition at your club.
Regards lecturing others, you're the one that had ago at some other poster up on your high horse.
I made a one line quip as a retort to an insult I reveived from someone else. You on the other hand prefer to get involved in something which didn't involve you in the first place and quite frankly was none of your business.
So do me a favour and eat me.
Jesus fair play lad, great post. Had absolutely no relevance to the thread title whatsoever but whatever floats your boat.
I love when i prove people wrong and they just spout off shite. Happens quite alot with Pool fans actually.
Enjoy watching the big boys fight it out for the PL and CL.
Proves my point. Cheers
Can we please put this behind us and start again because you're starting to irritate the feck out of me
I would rather draw a line under it because being the argumentative cnut that I am this could run forever.
Can we agree to disagree?
I would rather draw a line under it because being the argumentative cnut that I am this could run forever.
Can we agree to disagree?
Can we please put this behind us and start again because you're starting to irritate the feck out of me
I would rather draw a line under it because being the argumentative cnut that I am this could run forever.
Can we agree to disagree?
No!!! Im an argumentative cnut aswell!! What were we arguing about at the start?!
Is there a hand-shake smiley?
Would sort out this thread anyway. We're just agreeing to disagree yeah? As long as thats the case i'm happy!
Honeslty though, do you tink you'll be more successful in the PL or CL? His rotation bolox harms damages your chances IMO. Think he does it to justify all of his signings and the size of his squad. Barry is a good player but i'm not sure he is what you need. Reckon Keane was though, a quality striker was a must. Just think Gerrard will be pushed out wide now and ye will suffer as a result, which is better for us mind you.
Honeslty though, do you tink you'll be more successful in the PL or CL? His rotation bolox harms damages your chances IMO. Think he does it to justify all of his signings and the size of his squad. Barry is a good player but i'm not sure he is what you need. Reckon Keane was though, a quality striker was a must. Just think Gerrard will be pushed out wide now and ye will suffer as a result, which is better for us mind you.
Don't undo the good work.
This "rotation bollocks" is as you put it bollocks. Rotation is one of those things which gets highlighted if you lose but doesn't get mentioned when you win. In the second half of last season rafa stuck to teh same system and the same players.
There was only ONE game which Torres didn't play when fit last season and that was just after he had a shocker against Marseille at home. Every player is able to be dropped.
Fergie and Wenger both rotate just as much as Rafa.
It remains to be seen where Gerrard will play but I would imagine he will play exactly the same role as last year.
Sorry, forgot to answer your question. If we can make a prolonged challenge in both I will be happy. I think Rafa is going all out for the PL this year but I don't buy into the theory that you must sacrifice one to compete in the other.
This "rotation bollocks" is as you put it bollocks. Rotation is one of those things which gets highlighted if you lose but doesn't get mentioned when you win. In the second half of last season rafa stuck to teh same system and the same players.
There was only ONE game which Torres didn't play when fit last season and that was just after he had a shocker against Marseille at home. Every player is able to be dropped.
Fergie and Wenger both rotate just as much as Rafa.
It remains to be seen where Gerrard will play but I would imagine he will play exactly the same role as last year.
Sorry, forgot to answer your question. If we can make a prolonged challenge in both I will be happy. I think Rafa is going all out for the PL this year but I don't buy into the theory that you must sacrifice one to compete in the other.
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