Keane is a typical dippers signing. Average. Although he will improve the squad give the strikers they had last year.
Robbie Keane to Liverpool within 24 hours on 6 months loan (7 mill quid fee)
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In theory you should be right. However, the reality is, Rafa has actually closed the gap on Chelsea, United & Arsenal since he took over 4 years ago.
Will Robbie Keane be the man to fire us to the title ?. I very much doubt it. However, if he can help us close that gap even further, then that'll do for the time being.
The fee is always ramped up when you buy from a fellow Premier League club. I think in the past two seasons he has exceeded the 20 goal mark. In that sense he has been more prolific than Rooney and Tevez; and all three play similar roles. Keane will dovetail well with Torres and play a more withdrawn role. By all accounts, Torres seems to perform better on his own up front. I would not be surprised to see Keane operating much deeper than people envisage. His game is about more than goals
I highly doubt he's gonna get an apology from Fergie.Unless of course it's followed by a post-signing rant about what a bunch of twats the Spurs board are.
There is no way Fergie will apologise and rightly so. People seem to be forgetting that these SAF "quotes" on Berbatov were seemingly a fabrication. In comparison, Benitez actually openly came out and unsettled Keane.
Keane is not average. He is a proven 20 goal a season player who adeptly links the midfield and striker. He is a far better option than Kuyt or Voronin. He will be a better partner for Torres than Crouch would have been.
Why would he be breaking it up as opposed to adding to it? Gerrard and Torres will both still be in the team. All it would mean now is that either Gerrard & Keane are behind Torres or Gerrard is behind Keane AND Torres. I really can't see how this can be anythign other than positive. But I understand if you wuold rather look at it your way.
In the 2007 calendar year Robbie Keane scored 31 goals and made 15 assists in 40 starts. I'm sorry but if that is inconsistent then your mother is a model.
And for anyone bringing up the International argument, forget it. We have signed Keane to play for Liverpool, not Ireland (I'm Irish). I couldn't give a flying fcuk how he plays for Ireland if he does the business for Liverpool. If a player is judged on their form for the international team only, then your £30m forward Wayne Rooney would be worth a wham bar and a bag of space dust in today's market.
For a fan of the dippers he took his time about it.Could have signed for them as a teenager but chose Wolves.
Reading a couple of Liverpool forums, that seems to be what Liverpool fans think he is worth.
But one of them will be playing out on the wing, right? Therefore limiting their talents, and I would assume it would be Gerrard who would be put on the wing. I doubt you will really go to a 4-3-2-1 or a 4-3-1-2 as you seem to be implying, it's just far too narrow.
Why do Liverpool supporters always defend rafa's signings now matter how shit they are?
Can't one of you just say. "Well, I'm not happy, he's not good enough for us" for once?
You lot twist and spin everything. Benitez's signing this year are fecking bewildering, yet you lot come up with the most bizarre reasoning and logic to justify them, just as you did the summer Houllier signed the bunch of crap that got him fired. Speaking of Houllier, your team is no better since he was in charge. Back then you had two fecking great strikers, now you have one. Like then you have three or four great players and the rest are utter dross that wouldn't get a sniff at a top three team in England, Italy or Spain. You're a cup with no hope of winning the league in the next three years.
Enjoy the next two months at the top of boom cycle you sad bunch of cretins.
Can't one of you just say. "Well, I'm not happy, he's not good enough for us" for once?
You lot twist and spin everything. Benitez's signing this year are fecking bewildering, yet you lot come up with the most bizarre reasoning and logic to justify them, just as you did the summer Houllier signed the bunch of crap that got him fired. Speaking of Houllier, your team is no better since he was in charge. Back then you had two fecking great strikers, now you have one. Like then you have three or four great players and the rest are utter dross that wouldn't get a sniff at a top three team in England, Italy or Spain. You're a cup with no hope of winning the league in the next three years.
Enjoy the next two months at the top of boom cycle you sad bunch of cretins.
To be fair, there is a small possiblity they may go for such a 'narrow' formation.
Dossena and Degen aren't spectacular signings, but both players like to get forward and give decent width from the fullback areas. Its possible thats exactly what they'll do.
Then again, Benitez isn't known for his attacking ideas. Having fullbacks bomb forward and give width to a narrow formation might be too positive for him.
Not necessarily. The formations you suggest are both very possible and very probable. As for Gerrard on the wing, he had his most prolific season in terms of goal scoring while playing on the wing so I don't think that would be a problem.
You're really quite irritating
For the record it you want to look through my posts I said at the end of last season that my dream summers signings would include Robbie Keane which is why I am happy - not because I am defending Rafa for the sake of defending Rafa.
Besides the FREAKISH Champions league win Liverpool had one of their best seasons last year - like you say they actually closed the gap on the top three with the system played with Gerrard further up front and two deep lying midfielders.
I have a feeling they are going backwards with this signing by breaking up a system which worked with the personnel you had at your disposal.
Have I said Liverpool have been robbed.
It is really too difficult to forecast how things will work out. Much in the same way as people wrote Carrick off when signing for United, people are adopting the same attitude for Keane. There are parallels: similar stature players in terms of reputation, similar price tags, same step up from medium-sized club to massive one.
Keane could strike up a great partnership with Torres. Speculations by us that he won't are based more around the fact that we are worried that he could be a success. The fact that this thread is on a sixth page and growing suggests that there are a few concerned Caftards.
Keane could strike up a great partnership with Torres. Speculations by us that he won't are based more around the fact that we are worried that he could be a success. The fact that this thread is on a sixth page and growing suggests that there are a few concerned Caftards.
How many pages were there on Liverpool forums claiming that we got robbed for Carrick? Which is pretty much the gist of the thread.
Difference is, Carrick was exactly what we needed and was crucial in helping us to a title. Do you think Keane will do the same for Liverpool.
I never in a million years believed Carrick was the man to help win us the league. But then again, I never claimed to be a footballing oracle. Come to think of it, I openly accept my ignorance in relation to the men in the know (ie the manager).
Generally, when Benitez has spent big money, he has been pretty much spot on. He feels that Keane will be the right player for them and there is no denying that he is a vast improvement on their current options.
I don't want to get into any business about slating their signings when it could end up biting me on the arse. Chances are that Keane will end up being an unqualified success. This is based on his proven track record; not conjecture and other such nonsense that opposition fans throw about.
Also, I hate arguments based around the notion that a player is overpriced. What is the standard for valuing a player? If Benitez thinks he is the right man then he is worth what they are prepared to pay. It is not as though it is then fans money, so why concern themselves with the fee paid?
Just over 12 months ago, people were saying that Liverpool would be nothing without Steven Gerrard. Nowdays, its " Liverpool rely too much on Gerrard & Torres". We've gone out & spent a tidy sum of money on a proven Premiership goalscorer, & a player that gets a fair few assists, yet you come on & claim its a backward step
.Hasn't Ferguson broken up successful partnerships in the past ?. The fact is, Gerrard is an attacking midfielder, whilst Keane is a striker, who has a far superior goal record to Stevie (as you would expect). He's also a striker that plays that little bit deeper, which will suit Torres's style of play. Having those 2 as a pairing, would allow Gerrard to make late runs into the penalty box. & I personally can see us getting a lot of joy from that set-up.
I don''t know much about Dossena but apparently you are right in that he's very good at going forward. Degen on the other hand I know a bit more about, he's got a great engine and gets up and down the touchline but he is fairly poor on the ball and his delivery is poor. I'd expect Carragher to play ahead of him even, and i wouldn't expect him to provide much width. I just don't see it happening.
I just think you're saying that because you would like that formation, just like our fans would want a team with Berbatov, Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo and they somehow think it would be the perfect formation, when really there's just no chance we'll ever use that formation. And yes Gerrard had a good season on the right wing, but I do remember the Times doing an article which said really he played a third of his matches in the middle. I'd say his best performances came when he played behind Torres last season, so I still think it will limit his effectiveness playing out wide.
And you have to take into account that Carrick shone for himself. He wasn't part of a two man combination that was considered the best in the league.
It's only natural to assume that if you break up a great partnership, the player you take won't be quite as good as the player you saw before.
Keane and Torres will be a good combination. But it won't be the best combination, like Keane and Berbatov was last year in my opinion.
It's only natural to assume that if you break up a great partnership, the player you take won't be quite as good as the player you saw before.
Keane and Torres will be a good combination. But it won't be the best combination, like Keane and Berbatov was last year in my opinion.
What is that opinion based on? To me it seems like a desperate statement; as though you are willing the partnership to fail - as you well should be!
If Keane and Berbatov could thrive, then Torres and Keane should be able to.
Carrick was a great signing but lets face it guys
a) he was the missing piece of an already powerful side
b) he was replacing a legend who was past his best and he couldn't hardly run anymore
a) he was the missing piece of an already powerful side
b) he was replacing a legend who was past his best and he couldn't hardly run anymore
You know, I really should point out I only know Dossena and Degen from what I've read about them online and some youtube videos. I've never seen either one play. But neither one looks amazing. My only point really was that they are both 'supposedly' attacking fullbacks. How good they really are? I've really no idea at all.
I agree. Keane would do well with Torres if utilised correctly. There again is Liverpool EPL title material?
Keane's an excellent signing for Liverpool, no doubt about that, but that's just about his level at the moment. You wouldn't see a top side chasing his signature. But for Liverpool ? Sure, a good signing alright - they may possibly cruise into 4th this season !! Everton - watch out !!
Simple. I watched Spurs a lot last season due to all the speculation about us trying to sign Berbatov.
Obviously, what stood out most about their play last season was the combination of the front two. They almost took complete responsiblity of all the counter attacks Spurs made and most of their attacks.
Really, the combination wouldnt have looked out of place playing for us, Arsenal or Chelsea.
But the key to it was the chemistry between the two players.
Torres and Keane actually play in quite a similar way. Not to say it won't work, but Berbatov found himself deeper than Keane most of the time with Keane doing all the running as Torres does at Liverpool.
If it were a combination of Berbatov and Torres, now that would be an insanely good partnership. But I think we'll find they took the wrong puzzle piece and while Keane will do decently as he's a good player, we will not see the amazing chemistry and understanding that Keane and Berbatov have.
I've seen Dossena play one game, but asked an Inter fan about him and he said he is a good buy for Liverpool. Good defensively and good on the ball and at getting forward. So I compared him to Evra, but he said he's not even close. So I'm not too worried. I've seen a bit more of Degen though, and he's just mediocre without a doubt. Didn't really impress me in any aspect of his game except stamina, which will be put to better use in the Premier League I'm sure but it still just seems to me that Benitez only bought him because he was free, similar to the Voronin signing except he's worse.
We've gone out & spent a tidy sum of money on a proven Premiership goalscorer, & a player that gets a fair few assists, yet you come on & claim its a backward step
It's an opinion of mine signing Keane is a backward step. We'll see if I am proved wrong.
One of the best managers of this century is quoted to have said he would not pay more than £500k for Keane to play him in the reserves.
My view is that Keane is a good player - often under-rated by some - and will definitely improve Liverpool. But I don't think he'll be quite as good as he was with Berbatov and Spurs' attacking style of play.
I also think that Spurs have done well out of this deal: 20.3m for a 28 year-old is not to be sneezed at, especially when the player wanted to leave. And it looks like we have Arshavin to replace him.
I also think that Spurs have done well out of this deal: 20.3m for a 28 year-old is not to be sneezed at, especially when the player wanted to leave. And it looks like we have Arshavin to replace him.
£20m for Keane is a fantastic price for Spurs.
Not that I think it will happen, but I will piss myself laughing if Spurs finish ahead of Robbie Keane's new club.
"liverpool is a massive massive club , there is no reason they shouldnt be competing for the league "
- keane
is every new signing given a script to read out from
- keane
is every new signing given a script to read out from
"liverpool is a massive massive club , there is no reason they shouldnt be competing for the league "
- keane
is every new signing given a script to read out from
He obviously disagrees with Rafa about that then, after Rafa's excuses and explaination of his rotation policy.
Ahhhhh, the mythical rotation policy. I was wondering when that would raise it's ugly head.
If you Scousers had been shown a snippet of a newspaper headline a few months back that said 'Liverpool secure 20m signing of ..........' you'd have been very pleased I'm sure. Robbie Keanes name would have been nowhere near the top of the wishlist. Top 50 perhaps.
Admit it, you're less than delighted with the Keane purchase aren't you?
Go on, admit it.
If you could be arsed looking through all my posts dating back to May you will find that Robbie Keane was top of my wish list this summer. David Bentley was also on that list.
So, sorry but you are wrong. Again.
It's quite interesesting reading the thread about Keane to the Dippers at the end of June and comparing people's opinions on Keane when it was just a rumour to their opinions now it has happened. Very interesting indeed.
So, sorry but you are wrong. Again.
It's quite interesesting reading the thread about Keane to the Dippers at the end of June and comparing people's opinions on Keane when it was just a rumour to their opinions now it has happened. Very interesting indeed.
Whats with the doubting of Keane? For sure he is a better goalscorer than Voronin or Kuyt. Therefore they have made an improvement to their team.
Well said that man!
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