Rio Ferdinand Saga. (RIO ASKS FOR TRANSFER)
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Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>He's training with them... What would happen on the plane? They'd throw him out?</strong><hr></blockquote>My point was that I doubt he'd go all the way to China if a deal is all but done. That'd be a bit daft wouldn't it? Kinda like your 'throw him out of the plane comment'.
I think him playing hardball would.
Think about it. He was given the captaincy of Leeds at 22. He hasn't even mentioned anything about giving that up on wanting to move to Man Utd yet it is widely known he covets being captain of England one day.
He's trying to amicably get out of Leeds (well as amicably as oyu can when it's a Leeds/Man Utd transfer) but I think him playing any more hardball would cause people to ask questions of his priorities (ie in regards to responsibilty etc).
He's playing the 'Leeds were good to me..but I have ambitions' card. If he gets any tougher with Leeds then I think it will hurt his image as really, the only thing Leeds have done wrong on him is not make the CL....of which he played in that team that did not make it.
Leeds: Pay record fee for him
Make him captain at 22
His profile/form improves...he is lynchpin of England defence at the World Cup
Leeds fail to make the CL
Rio says he's off.
People are saying 'OK, that's fine...you are ambitious' but only if the transfer goes ahead as per usual.
If Rio starts trying to get tough 18 months into a contract he signed for 4 years, well he starts to come out of it less of an angel.
Think about it. He was given the captaincy of Leeds at 22. He hasn't even mentioned anything about giving that up on wanting to move to Man Utd yet it is widely known he covets being captain of England one day.
He's trying to amicably get out of Leeds (well as amicably as oyu can when it's a Leeds/Man Utd transfer) but I think him playing any more hardball would cause people to ask questions of his priorities (ie in regards to responsibilty etc).
He's playing the 'Leeds were good to me..but I have ambitions' card. If he gets any tougher with Leeds then I think it will hurt his image as really, the only thing Leeds have done wrong on him is not make the CL....of which he played in that team that did not make it.
Leeds: Pay record fee for him
Make him captain at 22
His profile/form improves...he is lynchpin of England defence at the World Cup
Leeds fail to make the CL
Rio says he's off.
People are saying 'OK, that's fine...you are ambitious' but only if the transfer goes ahead as per usual.
If Rio starts trying to get tough 18 months into a contract he signed for 4 years, well he starts to come out of it less of an angel.
I agree, if a deal is in the works today our first clue may be that he doesn't fly off to China. Although after Rio's comments recently I can't imagine his teammates wanting to fly with him knowing it is a matter of time before he leaves Leeds. If not this year he won't be at Leeds next year.
Come on Kenyon, get the wallet out and get the job done!
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Come on Kenyon, get the wallet out and get the job done!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Do you think he has 30m cash in his wallet?
Originally posted by Jens:
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Do you think he has 30m cash in his wallet?
No, but I think he's got 27m!
Rio was never captain of West Ham.
And it doesn't matter what club it is...being made captain iis a responsibilty and an honour (apparently). I don't see Roy Keane taking being captain so lightly (except when it's being captain of Ireland).
So I'm talking about the honour part of it...it doesn't matter what club. If Rio doesn't see being captain of any team as an honour why should he aspire to be england captain?
And it doesn't matter what club it is...being made captain iis a responsibilty and an honour (apparently). I don't see Roy Keane taking being captain so lightly (except when it's being captain of Ireland).
So I'm talking about the honour part of it...it doesn't matter what club. If Rio doesn't see being captain of any team as an honour why should he aspire to be england captain?
Originally posted by elmo:
<strong>So I'm talking about the honour part of it...it doesn't matter what club. If Rio doesn't see being captain of any team as an honour why should he aspire to be england captain?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Because it's a huge honour replacing your Old Trafford team mate. Hopefully
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/football/eng_prem/newsid_2139000/2139168.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/football/eng_prem/newsid_2139000/2139168.stm</a>
Talks are going on atm..... that much is confirmed. At least they're doing something.
Talks are going on atm..... that much is confirmed. At least they're doing something.
We'll have him soon.
Leave Keano out of this, you'll never ever see a more committed player wearing the green jersey. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
I'm Irish and support Ireland so I think I can mention Keano as much as I want.
Keano, Keano, Keano.
Keano, Keano, Keano.
I'm getting impatient now. Lets sign Crespo instead
Tick, tock.
78 minutes remaining to the closure of the stock exchange until Monday. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
78 minutes remaining to the closure of the stock exchange until Monday. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
You'll get your player I'm betting. If not today then next week. So stop worrying.
Incidentally, I know as Man Utd fans oyu've never been shafted by playes that have signed for you but let's say after his great season last season RVN had heard rumours that Real were after him. After a number of months speculation he ups and hands in a transfer request saying he wants to go to a 'bigger and better club'. Would you say 'Fine, thanks Ruud' or would you not feel at least slightly agrieved?
I'm just asking because, in all seriousness, no-one seems to think that any of us so-called decent Leeds fans should be upset about this.
Now I know oyu don't care but it's a bit upsetting, especially when it's you captain about to piss off too.
Incidentally, I know as Man Utd fans oyu've never been shafted by playes that have signed for you but let's say after his great season last season RVN had heard rumours that Real were after him. After a number of months speculation he ups and hands in a transfer request saying he wants to go to a 'bigger and better club'. Would you say 'Fine, thanks Ruud' or would you not feel at least slightly agrieved?
I'm just asking because, in all seriousness, no-one seems to think that any of us so-called decent Leeds fans should be upset about this.
Now I know oyu don't care but it's a bit upsetting, especially when it's you captain about to piss off too.
If we capture Rio, how many new players do you think SAF is going to go after? Another defenseman, a striker, or a midfielder, or do you think after Rio he is done?
So when are the sheep flying off ?
Prediction: Rio will be at OT tomorrow and the fee will be 27m as I've said all along.
9am Saturday morning.
<img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
We'll have to agree soon then.
We'll have to agree soon then.
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Attack: Need someone to replace Yorke.
Midfield: Nothing required, if anything we need to get rid of one.
Defence: Need a flexible fullback that can play on both sides.
2 players more, nothing more.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Full points there !! ... since when you have photostated my mind mate ?
Thanks Redfanatic for sympathising with me
I agree it is about money. I agree that Leeds prised Rio away from West Ham because they had the money to do it.
But the thing that galls is that Rio's transfer to Leeds and possible transfer to Man Utd is different because Leeds invested heavily and tied him to a supposedly tight contract as he was a player they wanted to build around. He's captain and he's in all the marketing for the new season kits. So in effect he's the face of Leeds Utd. He wasn't that high profile at West Ham. He also hasn't even spent two full seasons at Leeds.
So I think every Leeds fan just feels he wasn't committed to Leeds at all. How many players int he EPL in the last few years have spent not even two full seasons at a club? It doesn't appear to be really investing much in it does it?
It just hurts because Leeds and the Leeds fans had Rio installed for the long haul and as captain I guess we expected him to at least stay next season to see if we qualified for the CL.
He's 23 and if he's that good he'd get a move next season anyway.
So it's Rio's deceision to go now and that hurts. But then, as I've found out as a Leedsfan that's football.
I agree it is about money. I agree that Leeds prised Rio away from West Ham because they had the money to do it.
But the thing that galls is that Rio's transfer to Leeds and possible transfer to Man Utd is different because Leeds invested heavily and tied him to a supposedly tight contract as he was a player they wanted to build around. He's captain and he's in all the marketing for the new season kits. So in effect he's the face of Leeds Utd. He wasn't that high profile at West Ham. He also hasn't even spent two full seasons at Leeds.
So I think every Leeds fan just feels he wasn't committed to Leeds at all. How many players int he EPL in the last few years have spent not even two full seasons at a club? It doesn't appear to be really investing much in it does it?
It just hurts because Leeds and the Leeds fans had Rio installed for the long haul and as captain I guess we expected him to at least stay next season to see if we qualified for the CL.
He's 23 and if he's that good he'd get a move next season anyway.
So it's Rio's deceision to go now and that hurts. But then, as I've found out as a Leedsfan that's football.
Come off it Weaste Devil...you'd be gutted if Beckham moved on...especially if he said it was to a bigger and better club.
I'd be gutted. And I can understand what Leeds fans must feel
Redfanatic...great minds think alike apprently
Originally posted by elmo:
<strong>Thanks Redfanatic for sympathising with me
I agree it is about money. I agree that Leeds prised Rio away from West Ham because they had the money to do it.
But the thing that galls is that Rio's transfer to Leeds and possible transfer to Man Utd is different because Leeds invested heavily and tied him to a supposedly tight contract as he was a player they wanted to build around. He's captain and he's in all the marketing for the new season kits. So in effect he's the face of Leeds Utd. He wasn't that high profile at West Ham. He also hasn't even spent two full seasons at Leeds.
So I think every Leeds fan just feels he wasn't committed to Leeds at all. How many players int he EPL in the last few years have spent not even two full seasons at a club? It doesn't appear to be really investing much in it does it?
It just hurts because Leeds and the Leeds fans had Rio installed for the long haul and as captain I guess we expected him to at least stay next season to see if we qualified for the CL.
He's 23 and if he's that good he'd get a move next season anyway.
So it's Rio's deceision to go now and that hurts. But then, as I've found out as a Leedsfan that's football.</strong><hr></blockquote>
In a way, i think Rio was happy at Leeds, but has seen this as an opportunity he cannot turn down. He does not want to look back on his career and say 'what if?'
He's playing the 'Leeds were good to me..but I have ambitions' card. If he gets any tougher with Leeds then I think it will hurt his image as really, the only thing Leeds have done wrong on him is not make the CL....of which he played in that team that did not make it.
Leeds: Pay record fee for him
Make him captain at 22
His profile/form improves...he is lynchpin of England defence at the World Cup
Leeds fail to make the CL
Rio says he's off.
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Elmo, Rio didn't actually ASK for a transfer, he was practically told to go, by Ridsdale. It's fairly obvious by now, that Leeds were looking to sell him all along.
He goes to the WC a Leeds player, has a decent outing, the English media, predictably, goes overboard, Ridsdale believes (or finds it convenient to believe) their nonsense about him being the best CB in the world, slaps, supposedly, a 35m tag on him and sez, in effect, if they pay - you're gonna go
Why would Venables have to speak with a player, why would Ridsdale have to describe a 20m offer as 'derisory' if they didn't wanna sell him?
Not so long ago, Wenger said 50m would not change his mind about keeping Vieira. In that 'deal', Vieira had all the power, what with the length of his contract being ideal for a stadium-mortgaging (or training-pitch-selling) bid from Real.
Here, Leeds have Rio on a long-term contract. If they wanna build a squad, challenge for trophies etc., all they have to do is (well, not fire their manager for starters!) say he's NOT FOR SALE.
Leeds IMO clearly wanted to sell Rio, and make him the scapegoat for the supporters. The stuff about the bank and shareholders in a PLC sounds plausible. Ridsdale seems to always follow a CYA policy, Rio is being hung out, maybe not to dry, but he's getting a few drops squeezed outta him - which the few extra bucks from Utd, + CL football shud make up for.
Bottom-line, every player in this game is motivated by self-interest - your own board don't seem to be givin you much lovin, don't complain about Rio!
Incidentally, I know as Man Utd fans oyu've never been shafted by playes that have signed for you but let's say after his great season last season RVN had heard rumours that Real were after him. After a number of months speculation he ups and hands in a transfer request saying he wants to go to a 'bigger and better club'. Would you say 'Fine, thanks Ruud' or would you not feel at least slightly agrieved?
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I'd feel pretty pissed off that our best CF was going to our biggest rival(!) But I wouldn't be having a go at Ruud for wanting to make the move. First, he'd only be able to go, if SAF WANTED to let him go (!!!!).
Second, i'd back the board when they take the 50m (hello, we're not letting him go for any less - but unlike you, it wouldn't matter to us, if the deal didn't go through) and bought Ronaldo and Tristan!
I can totally understand that. I guess that's why the move isn't that shocking to me.
But, he appeared to have more moral fibre about him than he has displayed by this move.
He may not want to look back and say what if? But do oyu think he will look back at this period in his life with satisfaction? I guess money and success will help ease any guilt but still.
As some people have said, yes, Rio wants to move to get success but even Football 365 said it's all about Rio hitching his star to the Man Utd juggernaut. He won't have to try too hard to get success at Man Utd.
However, if he had stayed with Leeds as captain and they had achieved success he would have been there from the beginning and earned it. I guess that's too big a gamble for him to take but as captain you would expect him to be there to try.
But, he appeared to have more moral fibre about him than he has displayed by this move.
He may not want to look back and say what if? But do oyu think he will look back at this period in his life with satisfaction? I guess money and success will help ease any guilt but still.
As some people have said, yes, Rio wants to move to get success but even Football 365 said it's all about Rio hitching his star to the Man Utd juggernaut. He won't have to try too hard to get success at Man Utd.
However, if he had stayed with Leeds as captain and they had achieved success he would have been there from the beginning and earned it. I guess that's too big a gamble for him to take but as captain you would expect him to be there to try.
Rio was happy at Leeds. No doubt about it, and he'd be happy to continue (providing he was made to feel welcome). But, as has been said, it's an offer Leeds cannot currently match; football at the European pinnacle - the champions league. Also, in all fairness, there's more chance of trophies with us. Rio feels this is what is needed to further his career.
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