Rio Ferdinand Saga. (RIO ASKS FOR TRANSFER)

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Originally posted by Da_pleasure_n_da_pain:
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Where the feck did you get that load of fecking bollocks from! All this false info is getting on my tits, can you check your facts before spouting it on here in some sort of vain attempt to appear to be in the know.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This was reported by other reds on other forums too - so its not bollocks, it was reported. You should perhaps check your facts. Second point, don't shoot the messenger - its not Ruddy's story, its a Sky reporters story.

Nigel, Ruddy is not a leeds fan, take time to get to know the reds here before you start slinging such heinous accusations around. ;)
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Do you think they can afford any single player cost more than 20m? Either he joins us or he stays in Leeds. And even if he stays in Leeds it's not the end of the world. He is not the only world class defender and he is not even the best defender in the world. There are other opinions available and we can even save some money to buy one more player.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You are absolutely right. And yet, I feel that if we don't get Ferdinand, we'll have missed a fantastic opportunity. A british lad who'll obviously love the idea of playing for United, a class player who will still improve, and can be a cornerstone for our team for the next 10 years plus.

Then again... We can always get Thuram. I think he's still one of the best in the world but the Rio idea seems so much better!
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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This was reported by other reds on other forums too - so its not bollocks, it was reported. You should perhaps check your facts. Second point, don't shoot the messenger - its not Ruddy's story, its a Sky reporters story.

Nigel, Ruddy is not a leeds fan, take time to get to know the reds here before you start slinging such heinous accusations around. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

In that case I owe Ruddy an apology re that.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
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Yep, thats the different between the PLC and us, the manager and the fans. We want plays to come and stay for years and years, we don't see them as assets who we have to think of their later sales, like they're a car or something.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You're enjoying laughing at clubs like Chelsea and Leeds who have spent more than they could afford and now find themselves forced to sell. The reason we're not in their position is that we've always been financially prudent and only spent money we could afford. We've had the advantage of usually being able to afford more than other clubs, but we have kept a sense of proportion.
I think we should give credit to the plc for ensuring that our finances are strong today. And hope they will continue to do that boring job well, so that we still can afford record transfers in five years' time, not just today.
 
Originally posted by fortyseven:
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I think we should give credit to the plc for ensuring that our finances are strong today. And hope they will continue to do that boring job well, so that we still can afford record transfers in five years' time, not just today.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I can accept that, but we surely came into the Ferdinand situation with our eyes opened and the notion it would take big bucks to get him well in our minds.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
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You are absolutely right. And yet, I feel that if we don't get Ferdinand, we'll have missed a fantastic opportunity. A british lad who'll obviously love the idea of playing for United, a class player who will still improve, and can be a cornerstone for our team for the next 10 years plus.

Then again... We can always get Thuram. I think he's still one of the best in the world but the Rio idea seems so much better!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, that's also exactly what I thought. I really hope we can get Rio, but we can't be held by ransom to pay ridiculous amount for him. If the deal eventually can't go through there are still other choices in the world.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
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I can accept that, but we surely came into the Ferdinand situation with our eyes opened and the notion it would take big bucks to get him well in our minds.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm sure it's brinkmanship. Utd know what Rio is worth. Leeds are trying to screw every penny. Everything from Utd's end has been sorted - and they will bid. They are now trying to apply the pressure to Leeds through Rio's desire to move. If the move falls through Leeds will have a very disgruntled player on their hands (irrespective of the niceties that he would be happy to see out his contract). Leeds' position is not as strong now Rio has come out publicly for a transfer. I suspect Leeds want in excess of £30 million and UTD will not go beyond that.

Compromise is the only way forward. If we lose Rio then we look like right dummies, Rio is left in limbo playing for a team whose fans will be hostile, Leeds will have won a short term victory but lost out in the long term - cos Rio's form may suffer and the price of transfers will drop dramatically in the next dfew seasons due to lack of money in the game.

Leeds always knew that once it was out they were in financial difficulties bigger clubs would come in and strip their assets. Rio is the biggest of the lot. If they really want to maximize their profit - they have to sell now.
 
Originally posted by veron004:
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I'm Rio is left in limbo playing for a team whose fans will be hostile, </strong><hr></blockquote>

Football fans are fickle. It would be almost forgotten in six-months.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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This was reported by other reds on other forums too - so its not bollocks, it was reported. You should perhaps check your facts. Second point, don't shoot the messenger - its not Ruddy's story, its a Sky reporters story.

Nigel, Ruddy is not a leeds fan, take time to get to know the reds here before you start slinging such heinous accusations around. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I know he isn't just having a dig thats all.

Anyway its upto the club to place an offer, Rio has played this hand, are we going to move the team forward and match it.

How many players have we put offers in for over the last years who are only interested in the Money. Rio has made it clear it is us he is interested in, he cannot make it any clearer can he! we need players like this it's the type of player RK was talking about last session a real do or Die United player, not just a Money man!
 
Bottom Line:

The Leeds Utd captain has said he would like to play for Man Utd. Fact is, he will be ours at some point, and Ridsdale is only digging himself a deeper ditch with the fans by stalling the move.
 
Originally posted by blythy:
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Football fans are fickle. It would be almost forgotten in six-months.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Rio won't. His ambition won't go away.
 
And plus Rio has now gone public with several quotes in the papers this morning, stating he needs to play Champions League football. This puts more pressure on Ridsdale. IMO Rio has crossed the Rubicon to the point where staying with Leeds would be too awkward. He has to be sold now...even the former Leeds chairman has said so publicly.
 
Originally posted by blythy:
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Football fans are fickle. It would be almost forgotten in six-months.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I cant see then forgetting this in Leeds even if he doesn't sign for us.
 
His ambition might not go away but I seem to remember he likes playing well and likdes playing for england.

If the deal falls through he is a professional who will want to be included in the Euro 2004 qualifiers and therefore will still play his best for Leeds if stuck there.

Just face it, Leeds financial situation is not as bad as the media have suggested and they are not over a barrel to sell Rio. They can hold out for the best price or keep him because they know the only person's career it will damage by being disgruntled will be Rio's. He knows this too.

Rio jumped the gun to get his move but Leeds are not as desperate as he thinks. I still think Leeds will sell him but they will wait to get their right price...and Rio is going to have to sweat it out.
 
Getting real pissed off with ridsdale.Can he tell the truth for once.I dont think he gets the leeds fans happy with his comments rather pissed off.
 
Originally posted by elmo:
<strong>His ambition might not go away but I seem to remember he likes playing well and likdes playing for england.

If the deal falls through he is a professional who will want to be included in the Euro 2004 qualifiers and therefore will still play his best for Leeds if stuck there.

Just face it, Leeds financial situation is not as bad as the media have suggested and they are not over a barrel to sell Rio. They can hold out for the best price or keep him because they know the only person's career it will damage by being disgruntled will be Rio's. He knows this too.

Rio jumped the gun to get his move but Leeds are not as desperate as he thinks. I still think Leeds will sell him but they will wait to get their right price...and Rio is going to have to sweat it out.</strong><hr></blockquote>


What about the Champions League issue Elmo. You're selling Bowyer and haven't made any moves to bring in the types of players that will help you back to the CL. Rio made a statement today, reiterating his desire to play in the Champions League.
 
Bowyer deal put on hold. I assume with this and Dacourt in doubt it plays into our hands as Leeds will need to see some money? Maybe not, please ignore
 
Leeds may have to sell Rio for financial reasons, but his position is untenable. Even if the deal falls through Utd will be back at some stage. Not only that other teams will be sniffing around. Leeds will get constant media speculation linking Rio with this team or that. Ridsdale has already found the media pressure intrusive. It will only get worse. It will affect Rio - it has to. It may not affect his performance on the pitch, but Leeds can hardly let him continue as captain if he's linked with a move away every other week. His team mates as well will find it disruptive as they are constantly asked about the situation.

It genuinely is untenable now it has reached this stage. Leeds will not be in the CL next season and possibly for a few seasons' after that. They have nothing to offer Rio except demand he see out his contract.

And as I said before - he will go one way or the other. If he goes now they get around £30 million. If he goes later his value will have dropped because of market forces and the unsustainable transfer levels.
 
Century radio are saying that United and Leeds have been locked in talks for the last hour :cool:

5pm tonight deadline was also mentioned .
 
Originally posted by stoned.rose:
<strong>Century radio are saying that United and Leeds have been locked in talks for the last hour :cool:

5pm tonight deadline was also mentioned .</strong><hr></blockquote>

End game. :)
 
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Just face it, Leeds financial situation is not as bad as the media have suggested and they are not over a barrel to sell Rio. They can hold out for the best price or keep him because they know the only person's career it will damage by being disgruntled will be Rio's. He knows this too.

Are you nuts? Have you ever worked for a PLC which owed more than its income? I have, and believe me, the banks, shareholders hate it. They are the ones who make the moves at times like these, not chairmen - heck, not even the board. They will be even more twitchy in the current financial and footie climate. Leeds are fcuked, nor do I believe this talk of a net £15m transfer profit being enough. It doesn't reduce debts enough, it doesn't reduce expenses. Leeds will get the best price they can, but they won't get the price they most want.

United know this, they have played this transfer extraordinary well, tactically.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>I have to say agent Zehavi doesn't seem very optimistic the two teams can reach an agreement.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Rio's statement today sounds very assuring. He says he told Ridsdale that he wants to play in the CL.
 
Originally posted by Nigel Borrington:
<strong>Yep! totally agree, we have informed players that they can look else where, yet they could end up playing for us again in August, will they be committed?, did we judge the state of the current market correctly?, if we can not who can?
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Who are you talking about exactly? As far as I know there is only one player we are trying to offload and that is Dwight Yorke. Irwin is out of contact, so is Wallwork and so is Johnsen. None of them are on the payroll. So who is it that will be playing for us again in August? Yorke? I don't think so.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>It will happen. Too much has happened for Rio to stay at Leeds.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know, but why don't we just get it done?

Or are SAF and Kenyon playing a "lets humilate Leeds and make Risdale look even more stupid" game?
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I know, but why don't we just get it done?

Or are SAF and Kenyon playing a "lets humilate Leeds and make Risdale look even more stupid" game?</strong><hr></blockquote>

we ourselfs cant really afford to play that game
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Or are SAF and Kenyon playing a "lets humilate Leeds and make Risdale look even more stupid" game?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Good game that ;)
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Or are SAF and Kenyon playing a "lets humilate Leeds and make Risdale look even more stupid" game?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think this is more like they are doing now!
 
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>I have to say agent Zehavi doesn't seem very optimistic the two teams can reach an agreement.</strong><hr></blockquote>

This is all bargaining and jostling for position. Remember he wants the best for his client. I'm sure there will be a few "it's hit a few snags that could jepordise the whole deal" and "the deal's looking more and more unlikely" statements before it's over.

A deal will be struck. No question.

Even if it seemingly stalls today, Rio will be a Utd player before the start of the season.
 
Originally posted by RUDDY:
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we ourselfs cant really afford to play that game</strong><hr></blockquote>

why? We have the cash at this moment and better bargaining power IMO.

who know's...maybe the PLC are weighting the pros and cons in signing Rio being valued at 30+ millions.
 
Originally posted by stoned.rose:
<strong>Century radio are saying that United and Leeds have been locked in talks for the last hour :cool:

5pm tonight deadline was also mentioned .</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just to be clear, Jens didn't text you this info did he?
 
Originally posted by veron004:
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This is all bargaining and jostling for position. Remember he wants the best for his client. I'm sure there will be a few "it's hit a few snags that could jepordise the whole deal" and "the deal's looking more and more unlikely" statements before it's over.
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What bargaining? He's the player's agent, not the club's chairman. It all comes down to what he said a couple of days ago I suppose, it may happen, it might not, depends on the money...
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>It will happen. Too much has happened for Rio to stay at Leeds.</strong><hr></blockquote>I agree. I can't see him getting on a plane to China with the rest of the club, can you?

I bet both United and the sheep are just crossing the T's and dotting the I's atm.

He'll be unveiled at OT when United get back from Shelbourne on Saturday probably, or, on Monday morning, either way, he's a RED imo.
 
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>I agree. I can't see him getting on a plane to China with the rest of the club, can you?</strong><hr></blockquote>

He's training with them... What would happen on the plane? They'd throw him out?

For Rio to stay in England the clubs must be at the very least in progressive negotiations, so there won't be a reason for him to go at all.
 
Rio could always choose not to go in protest Ridsdale's lack of willingness to satisfy the tranfer fee.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Rio could always choose not to go in protest Ridsdale's lack of willingness to satisfy the tranfer fee.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Everything he and his agent said contradict that. I don't think he's going to play hardball, it could damage his career. Anyhow, I don't think we could have asked anything more of him.
 
If they reached an agreement over a fee today then he would stay around tomorrow for contract negotiations, medical on Sunday and unveiled on Monday.

I thought SAF wanted a deal done today so that he doesn't go away with the squad?
 
What about the Champions League issue Elmo. You're selling Bowyer and haven't made any moves to bring in the types of players that will help you back to the CL. Rio made a statement today, reiterating his desire to play in the Champions League. <hr></blockquote>

So what? Rio has a desire to play in the CL? Does that automatically get him out of his contract? No.

I reiterate that I still think that Rio will be sold...for the right price. Him and his agent have made enough bridge burning statements to ensure this. BUT, if Man Utd don't fork out the price Leeds want Rio is not even 2 years into a 4/5 year contract....so he will be forced to stay at Leeds if Man Utd don't come through.

Now, it would be in Rio's best interests to stay and play well. He has the get out clause in effect next year. As for the media unsettling Rio and Leeds....we've put up with it for 2 odd years...and you think the media re going to leave Leeds alone after the mileage they got out of us so far?

We've taken worse so if Rio stays so what? It won't be any different from the unsettling job the media have done on every toher Leeds player anyway for the last 6 months.

So really, the ball is in Man Utd's court. Are they goign to pay up now Rio's made the move?
 
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