Rio Ferdinand Saga. (RIO ASKS FOR TRANSFER)
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Latest 1600: Clubs continue to talk - over fee, etc.
Poor Sky News's Chris Skudder had enough saying 'The Ferdinand saga could end today' every half hour so he's added 'but don't hold your breath'.
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Sorry, Elmo, I was laughing at Amir's comments in the post before yours. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
I agree elmo. Rio is taking the 'easy step to success' by chosing us. And it's the biggest worry about this deal to me, his loyalty. What if Real Madrid, who, lets face it are a more successful club, showed an interest in him, in say two years. Would he hand in his next transfer request?
With regards to winning trophey's. I think Rio just feels its time to get a taste some success, get some medals around his neck, and obviously feels he has a better chance of that with us.
With regards to winning trophey's. I think Rio just feels its time to get a taste some success, get some medals around his neck, and obviously feels he has a better chance of that with us.
Blythy...Leeds fans have said all along that Rio has had his eye on playing in Europe one day. So we expected a move in one to two seasons time.
I know that usually Man Utd players don't move once there but you never know. He's 'ambitious' so may want to move to Real 'for the good of his career'.
As for not making Leeds into Manchester United...how does any team get to the top if not for players staying loyal to them and trying their best?
I mean, how do oyu know what Leeds would have been cpapable of with Ferdinand now that he most probabaly won't be part of the plans?
Obviously, if Beckham, Giggs etc had all pissed off to Real at 23 because they hadn't won trophies Man Utd would not be the force they are.
If Gerrard and Owen etc pissed off from Liverpool say to Inter becuase they hadn't won the premiership where would that leave Liverpool?
No, Rio just hasn't given Leeds a fair break here. I understand sacking DOL didn't help but Rio wants instant success....and that's not guaranteed.
I know that usually Man Utd players don't move once there but you never know. He's 'ambitious' so may want to move to Real 'for the good of his career'.
As for not making Leeds into Manchester United...how does any team get to the top if not for players staying loyal to them and trying their best?
I mean, how do oyu know what Leeds would have been cpapable of with Ferdinand now that he most probabaly won't be part of the plans?
Obviously, if Beckham, Giggs etc had all pissed off to Real at 23 because they hadn't won trophies Man Utd would not be the force they are.
If Gerrard and Owen etc pissed off from Liverpool say to Inter becuase they hadn't won the premiership where would that leave Liverpool?
No, Rio just hasn't given Leeds a fair break here. I understand sacking DOL didn't help but Rio wants instant success....and that's not guaranteed.
But Shearer has always maintained he has no regrets not going to Man Utd. I understand he has been loyal to Newcastle as it's his home club and Leeds can't tie Rio because they don't have the same ties but I just feel player power is getting way out of hand.
Players are more and more like spoilt brats and Rio's transfer request was like spitting the dummy because he didn't immediately get what he wanted.
Well Leeds paid good money for him and spent money tying him to a contract...even though there is a rough patch now he is paid to try and help them through that as a Leeds player. Instead he hasn't even tried...he's just upped. And he's the captain! I just stil can't believe his attitude!
Players are more and more like spoilt brats and Rio's transfer request was like spitting the dummy because he didn't immediately get what he wanted.
Well Leeds paid good money for him and spent money tying him to a contract...even though there is a rough patch now he is paid to try and help them through that as a Leeds player. Instead he hasn't even tried...he's just upped. And he's the captain! I just stil can't believe his attitude!
Originally posted by elmo:
<strong>That's a very intelligent debate you've got going on there Veron004. Makes me wonder why I bother when that's the response I get? Does anyone want to actually talk about this, you know, properly, rather thn just posting a laughing symbol? Because that is just a waste of time.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Like I said I wasn't laughing at your comments, I was responding to Amir and the Sky Sports correspondent's updates. Clearly you posted just before me and so the laughing symbol came after yours. If you check a little way up you'll see I apologised.
As to your comments, I do have a great deal of sympathy for Leeds. Personally, I think once it became clear there were problems at Leeds, the club was always susceptible to aggressive pursuit of its players by bigger, predatory clubs. In fact, I'm surprised Kewell has not been linked to anyone.
On the points you make about staying and not taking the easy option, personally the easy option would be to stay. Do you think Rio is gonna get an easy ride from the media if he moves? He'll be under even greater scrutiny to perform. It would less pressure to stay at Leeds and become a legend, much harder to go to Utd where you are a star among bigger stars and are expected to peak every game.
It's a risk for Rio as well as Utd.
Sorry Veron004...if oyu noticed I deleted the post...so I don't know how oyu still got it?! Anyway, sorry....I deleted it as soon as I saw your apology
Blythy...I don't know...of course Rio expected more but he seems to expect a hell of a lot in a short time. So if he continues in this vein and Man Utd don't live up to his expectations who's to know he might not be saying 'I'm 26 and I'd love to be playing for Real..........'.
The fact is...he shouldn't have joined Leeds if he wasn't prepared to take the good with the bad...at least for more than a season and a half. It's utter childishness his actions in the last few days.
As it stands he's only taken good from his time at Leeds....he wasn't an England regular befor ehe joined...he wasn't even considered able to play in a back 4, and DOL certainly helped him improve his game. Hi sprofle increased hugely..even before the World Cup.
Leeds may get decent money fro him but I don't think that's what they wanted...they wanted the player to stay.
As for Kewell there have been no bids as he's had a rough two seasons after his achilles operation. We are hoping he will be back better this season..especially as he seemed to have fallen out with DOL. However, his contract hits a year left at Christmas and we all expect him to be off like Bowyer then as Bowyer is one of his closest friends at ER...well no longer.
Blythy...I don't know...of course Rio expected more but he seems to expect a hell of a lot in a short time. So if he continues in this vein and Man Utd don't live up to his expectations who's to know he might not be saying 'I'm 26 and I'd love to be playing for Real..........'.
The fact is...he shouldn't have joined Leeds if he wasn't prepared to take the good with the bad...at least for more than a season and a half. It's utter childishness his actions in the last few days.
As it stands he's only taken good from his time at Leeds....he wasn't an England regular befor ehe joined...he wasn't even considered able to play in a back 4, and DOL certainly helped him improve his game. Hi sprofle increased hugely..even before the World Cup.
Leeds may get decent money fro him but I don't think that's what they wanted...they wanted the player to stay.
As for Kewell there have been no bids as he's had a rough two seasons after his achilles operation. We are hoping he will be back better this season..especially as he seemed to have fallen out with DOL. However, his contract hits a year left at Christmas and we all expect him to be off like Bowyer then as Bowyer is one of his closest friends at ER...well no longer.
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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This was reported by other reds on other forums too - so its not bollocks, it was reported. You should perhaps check your facts. Second point, don't shoot the messenger - its not Ruddy's story, its a Sky reporters story.
Nigel, Ruddy is not a leeds fan, take time to get to know the reds here before you start slinging such heinous accusations around.
No Ruddy posted it and then changed his mind 5 mins later!! was it true, what he said? and was it not Ruddy who spouted the simmilar bullshit about the july 5th??
Originally posted by elmo:
<strong>Sorry Veron004...if oyu noticed I deleted the post...so I don't know how oyu still got it?! Anyway, sorry....I deleted it as soon as I saw your apology
You can get very very highly strung at times elmo!
I will pray for your husband/boyfriend.
Well, one way or the other the big gong has gone on the stock exchange.
I guess tomorrow is the next D-Day, with Rio getting on the plane (or not).
I guess tomorrow is the next D-Day, with Rio getting on the plane (or not).
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>I guess tomorrow is the next D-Day, with Rio getting on the plane (or not).</strong><hr></blockquote>
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It's like a cheesy Hollywood soap script; Rio's at the airport, but will he board the plane... dun-dun-derrr...
How is this example being strung out? He hadn't apolgised yet so as I understood it he was laughing at the comments I had taken ages to type up?! However, once he explained what he meant I deleted the post as I didn't think he had seen it and then I apologised...so how is that being strung out?
It will be interesting to see if Rio get son that plane or not. If he doesn't he's definately on his way.
As it is Batty isn't going as he's scared of flying and Johnson has an achilles injury (what a surprise). Kelly isn't going for some medical reason but could that be a transfer dealing?
As it is Batty isn't going as he's scared of flying and Johnson has an achilles injury (what a surprise). Kelly isn't going for some medical reason but could that be a transfer dealing?
Originally posted by Da_pleasure_n_da_pain:
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This was reported by other reds on other forums too - so its not bollocks, it was reported. You should perhaps check your facts. Second point, don't shoot the messenger - its not Ruddy's story, its a Sky reporters story.
Nigel, Ruddy is not a leeds fan, take time to get to know the reds here before you start slinging such heinous accusations around.
No Ruddy posted it and then changed his mind 5 mins later!! was it true, what he said? and was it not Ruddy who spouted the simmilar bullshit about the july 5th??[/QB]<hr></blockquote>
July 5th was started by RedNews. Don't shoot the messenger homeboy.
I didn't mean he had to apologise....that came out wrong. I juse meant I thought he was laughing at me and the when he explained he wasn't I took my post back.
Maybe I'm so strung out because people are so pedantic with what I post?!
Maybe I'm so strung out because people are so pedantic with what I post?!
Originally posted by elmo:
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That's the effect Davo has had on you! Stay away from him - that's my advice. Oh, and that Ruddy person too.
That is media bull crap.
No-one FORCED Rio to ask for the transfer.
Leeds may have been angling to see what they could get BUT you all seem to forget that he is captain and he's the face of the new kit and pre-season tour so there was obviously no predetermined startegy to sell off the face of the new home kit for the next two seasons.
PR said he would not be sold unless he asked for a transfer. If PR tried to push Rio by saying this he didn't push too hard.
PR knows what a backlash this sale will be. He has said all along that Rio would not be for sale unless Rio asked to go and then he turned down his transfer request anyway. Rio and his agent aren't stupid enough to get blamed for this. Rio wants out so he asked. End of story.
At the end of the day Rio would not be going unless he asked to go. Which he did. So I'll blame him thanks. The Leeds board don't get off scot free but Rio didn't have to ask for the transfer.
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media bullcrap... PR said.... PR says... PR knows
HMM...
how media-savvy ARE you?
if PR says sumpn, it's cuz PR doesn want his neck but Rio's, to be out before you guys
hint about the media and the media-manipulators:
watch what people say and what they do...
if Leeds don't want to sell him - THAT is right where it ends.
there's no question of force... i'm not suggesting that it was the PLC board's that Rio leave for Utd. - it was SAF's.
but Utd. cannot buy Rio, if Leeds say - we won't sell him for 50m. instead they say the Utd. bid will just about buy ONE of his legs - pretty much letting the media carry the message of how much they want AND YES, that they will let him go.
neither PR nor TV ever have to chat with Rio, if they don't have to put up a public performance (media manipulation, but I'm not suggesting TV was in on it) that they want him, but he doesn't love them back.
SAF looked around, picked Rio out and then Leeds say (but in not so many words - media manipulation!) - he's yours for 35m
there's no question of Rio having to make up his mind and PR knows that if they themselves orchestrate this charade, Rio's not going to say No, but it's stage-managed to look as if Leeds have done everything in their power, but the player's greedy and unhappy, so, tearfully, they have to bid adieu.
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I don't see that Rio has done anything wrong at all, or misjudged. LUFC seems to be falling apart at the moment. For 2 seasons the pundits and press have been touting the development of a young side into a force to be reckined with, but last season was a bit of a disaster for them - a step back - and now they have lost their manager and at least Bowyer. Rio has a great WC, El Tel hoves into view and Rio probably thinks, "Right, definitely time to go now, it's going to get worse before it gets better, I must take this opportunity".
If RF hadn't worked out at Leeds he would have been sold on, dropped like an unpleasant pavement pattie. He owes them bugger all, and himself the best he can be.
Good luck to him, whether he comes to OT or not.
If RF hadn't worked out at Leeds he would have been sold on, dropped like an unpleasant pavement pattie. He owes them bugger all, and himself the best he can be.
Good luck to him, whether he comes to OT or not.
Radd you are fairly confident of media manipulation to tell another person they don't understand it! How condescending of you!
May I ask where oyu get all this enlightened information from? Because unless you are PR, Rio or someone in the know I don't understand how my assumptions could not be as correct as your assumptions.
I don't care how much he was pushed...the fact remains Rio is the shit that asked for the transfer. End of story.
May I ask where oyu get all this enlightened information from? Because unless you are PR, Rio or someone in the know I don't understand how my assumptions could not be as correct as your assumptions.
I don't care how much he was pushed...the fact remains Rio is the shit that asked for the transfer. End of story.
Is this the longest Red cafe thread EVER?
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>Is this the longest Red cafe thread EVER?
Nowhere near!
The longest thread ever was 22 pages.
No worries Veron004.
I'm guessing at this stage it will probabaly take about 22 more days for the transfer to be agreed so we can easily surpass 22 pages for that!
Look at how long Bowyer's has taken....and it's still ongoing.
I'm guessing at this stage it will probabaly take about 22 more days for the transfer to be agreed so we can easily surpass 22 pages for that!
Look at how long Bowyer's has taken....and it's still ongoing.
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