Rio Ferdinand Saga. (RIO ASKS FOR TRANSFER)

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Originally posted by elmo:
<strong>Bearing in mind that Blanc will move on after next season and Wes may or may not become Rio's partner will Man Utd splash the cash again next season for another CB?

How much money does Fergie want to spend in his last few years as Man Utd manager?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Whatever it takes to beat the Scousers records before he retires and he better stay on until we make 19 and 5.
 
united will go upto 32mil if they dont get a deal from that they will pull out

but i'll say he will be a red by sat morning
 
Leeds could regret not taking the money if Rio isn't sold now but then they might feel they have an asset worth keeping.

I stil think he'll be sold though.
 
Originally posted by RUDDY:
<strong>united will go upto 32mil if they dont get a deal from that they will pull out

but i'll say he will be a red by sat morning</strong><hr></blockquote>


Yeah, Red with Embrassment
:D
 
Originally posted by RUDDY:
<strong>united will go upto 32mil if they dont get a deal from that they will pull out

but i'll say he will be a red by sat morning</strong><hr></blockquote>

I hope so but have a feeling not!

I would put a bet on that we are already making other contacts!
 
Elmo:
Radd you are fairly confident of media manipulation to tell another person they don't understand it! How condescending of you!
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Dear Elmo,
(apology enclosed)

i'm sorry if you think i'm being condescending, - it's just that you did the same to me, only not in so many words - you responded to my post as being "media bullcrap" - sorry, i think you got it all mixed up (still not being condescending!)

in my last post, i was merely pointing out that it was you who took PR's words at face-value, whereas i was saying that there was a gulf between the statements and their intent, not to mention the actions that preceded and followed them
i'm not relying on any "information" - i hope we're not now debating what PR actually said to the press - this is how i read what he says (and if i didn't think i was right, i wouldn't bother posting it) - it's called reading between the lines (apology in advance for sounding patronising)- what they say and what they mean

Sincerely,
radd.

P.S. sorry to hear about your grandad.
 
Ridsdale's strategy is as sad as it is transparent - Stall on negotiations for as long as possible, until the players board the plane and then pray that United will lose interest. Unfortunately for him and Leeds, Rio wants to be a Red and he's said so publicly. Ridsdale is running out of stall tactics and options.
 
Thanks for the thoughts Radd.

Sorry, I didn't meanto be condescending either. I didn't mean you were sprouting media bullcrap but rather the Sun etc would have us believe Rio is the innocent party and PR the evil chairman when I think it is a mixture of both.

I am finsihing my journalism degree so I have some experience in trying to 'read' the media and I know Risdale is playing to get a price but having read EVERYTHING I can get my hands on and knowing Rio's image for the club I don't think this was premeditated by Ridsdale to sell. Yes he might have pushed Rio I agree but oyu can undersatnd taht Rio didn't have to ask for the transfer no matter how hard he was pushed so my anger still lies with him for his lack of feeling for the club...I know, football doesn't have it but I still feel agrieved over it.

I understand oyu read it differently so we can agree to disagree :) I do agree with you that Risdale isn't being honest but I don't think he's pulling aLL the strings like poeple are saying either.

Sorry for the typign mistakes...it's 3.45am and Ican't be bothered fixing them :)
 
Raoul..Rio may want to be a red but are Man Utd willing to pay enough for him to become one? If not, then that dream may be unfulfilled for a while.

As I said before..if Rio had played out this season he could have gone to Man Utd and with less bridges burned too. He got too hasty I think.
 
How badly do Utd want Rio? £30 million max. Anything more is madness and must surely affect other targets.

We still need another defender and attacker. If the price is over £30 million then we are going to have to spend over £50 million at least to bring in the other faces!

:eek:
 
Leeds have reportedly turned down 28m - so how much do they want for Rio - 30m or 35m ? Quite simply, if we really want him, and we have taken this whole deal this far, we should meet Leeds' asking price. Of course it's all over the top but we surely knew that Ridsdale and his cohorts would haggle over the price. If Rio boards that plane tomorrow we might as well forget it. Haggling over a couple of million seems nonsensical, if indeed that's the case. If this doesn't come off we're going to look very stupid having "engineered" proceedings to this stage and Rio himself, who obviously believed we could pull it off, seriously embarrassed.
 
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>Leeds have reportedly turned down 28m - so how much do they want for Rio - 30m or 35m ? Quite simply, if we really want him, and we have taken this whole deal this far, we should meet Leeds' asking price. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I honestly think that Leeds now have more to lose from the deal not happening than Man Utd. Once the cat is out of the bag that a player wants to leave a club, particularly the captain, it's all down hill from there if the sale is blocked or otherwise doesn't come off. If Rio stays at Leeds there must surely be a huge effect on the dressing room. Would he still be captain? Would his team-mates still treat him with the same respect and comradeship? How would this affect team performances? How would the crowd treat him, particularly if he made a mistake?
Leeds have an asset only if they can sell him for good dosh before the season starts. Their asset on THEIR field has been devalued, he's only worth the money to someone else now.
 
Elmo, with Utd proposing and Leeds not inclined to oppose, Rio would be a fool to not go
TV may well be a huge success and prove me wrong, but i think it sends a terrible message to your players and supporters when your manager is disposed off that easy - clearly their idea of long-term success is somewhat like Lenin's thoughts on a free press - dangerous for those not with much experience of either!

Rio sees the man who signed him leave, he knows there's not much point sticking around -there's just no way he turns United down
i don't think he is a shit just because he doesn love ER 'nuff, to stay - that sounds like the classic jilted lover - but it's your board that's fecking you - 7m for Seth Johnson, but now they will sell Rio if the price is right...

Rio doesn look lily-white, but this isn't a discussion of charities, it's his career and when it comes to lining up alongside Keano, Giggs and co., that's nearly worth committing murder for - ask anyone on this forum!!! :D
 
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong> Haggling over a couple of million seems nonsensical</strong><hr></blockquote>.

The price is already more than just a few million. I can't believ how every one thinks it's so simple to spend these amounts of money on one defender.

<img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
 
Originally posted by elmo:
<strong>Yes he might have pushed Rio I agree but oyu can undersatnd taht Rio didn't have to ask for the transfer no matter how hard he was pushed so my anger still lies with him for his lack of feeling for the club...I know, football doesn't have it but I still feel agrieved over it.
</strong><hr></blockquote>Sorry to hear about your Grand Dad.

There can only be two outcomes in this situation -either Leeds accept to sell or they don't. Let's take the first scenario: Leeds get around 30 mil, Utd get a player they badly need (albeit at a very high price), and Rio gets his career on the right track re CL, EPL etc. Leeds fans will certainly understand that Rio's heart is no more at ER and 30+mil in the bank is excellent trade off for their star. Everyone is happy.

2nd scenario: Leeds hold their position as regards to the price. Man Utd refuse to bulge and look elsewhere. Rio stays, but despite him saying that if he stays he will give 100% commitment, will the supporters welcome him back after his desire to join their fiercest rivals?? I think Rio has already stepped over the line as far as LUFC supporters are concerned. Risdale does not get his millions he wants to extort from Utd. Leeds still need money from whatever source. This time it's Risdale's bollox being squeezed by Leeds Board. How can he justify rejecting 30mil for a player worth IMO only 25mil. After the deluge of players leaving (Dacourt/Bowyer..) Leeds will be in a rebuilding phase rather than competing for honours. Rebuilding also means purchasing new players, hence spending money. So will keeping Rio quantify the millions forgone? As for Utd, they may just take their millions and look for the second player on their list.. or the third. Under this scenario though everyone loses, Man Utd will suffer the least.

Risdale is playing a game where he can chose to lose or not to lose. Is he a loser? We'll know by Saturday.
 
Originally posted by radd:
<strong>Elmo, with Utd proposing and Leeds not inclined to oppose, Rio would be a fool to not go
TV may well be a huge success and prove me wrong, but i think it sends a terrible message to your players and supporters when your manager is disposed off that easy - clearly their idea of long-term success is somewhat like Lenin's thoughts on a free press - dangerous for those not with much experience of either!

Rio sees the man who signed him leave, he knows there's not much point sticking around -there's just no way he turns United down
i don't think he is a shit just because he doesn love ER 'nuff, to stay - that sounds like the classic jilted lover - but it's your board that's fecking you - 7m for Seth Johnson, but now they will sell Rio if the price is right...

Rio doesn look lily-white, but this isn't a discussion of charities, it's his career and when it comes to lining up alongside Keano, Giggs and co., that's nearly worth committing murder for - ask anyone on this forum!!! :D </strong><hr></blockquote>


We should not pay this much for Rio. He's a good player, and he'd be a good addition, but we shouldnt' be held to ransom. We could spend that kind of money on several excellent players -- how many Ayalas and Duffs is one Rio worth? (especially in what is becoming a depressed market)
 
If it doesn't go through, elmo, how will that affect Rio in your opinion?
 
Originally posted by mancred:
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We should not pay this much for Rio. He's a good player, and he'd be a good addition, but we shouldnt' be held to ransom. We could spend that kind of money on several excellent players -- how many Ayalas and Duffs is one Rio worth? (especially in what is becoming a depressed market)</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree if he's only a good player as you put it. I think he's a great player and at 23 can only become even better. Tried and tested in the PL and now on the international stage. We desperately need a CB and cannot afford to rely on Blanc or Brown although O'Shea is definitely one for the future. In terms of the future you cannot put Ayala in the sme category as Rio.
 
We should not pay this much for Rio. He's a good player, and he'd be a good addition, but we shouldnt' be held to ransom. We could spend that kind of money on several excellent players -- how many Ayalas and Duffs is one Rio worth? (especially in what is becoming a depressed market) <hr></blockquote>

abso. !! like i said on another thread, get Ayala, wait f' a year, Rio will wanna move, Leeds will hafta sell and at a (possibly much)lower price - we also need Ayala cuz Blanc will go after a year, and we'll probly never find him available again,
in year, we cud have Ayala, Rio, Wes and O'Shea
if we play it right
btw, whatever happened to Hofland - anyone know?
 
Originally posted by amccoull:
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I honestly think that Leeds now have more to lose from the deal not happening than Man Utd. Once the cat is out of the bag that a player wants to leave a club, particularly the captain, it's all down hill from there if the sale is blocked or otherwise doesn't come off. If Rio stays at Leeds there must surely be a huge effect on the dressing room. Would he still be captain? Would his team-mates still treat him with the same respect and comradeship? How would this affect team performances? How would the crowd treat him, particularly if he made a mistake?
Leeds have an asset only if they can sell him for good dosh before the season starts. Their asset on THEIR field has been devalued, he's only worth the money to someone else now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

All good points and if true then Leeds are playing a dangerous game of brinkmanship, risking United pulling out of a deal which they may never see again, for a few million.
 
Originally posted by veron004:
<strong>If it doesn't go through, how will that affect Rio in your opinion?</strong><hr></blockquote>

He'd be an overated sheep shagging bastard.

<img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 
Just heard on the radio that Rio's definitely NOT getting on the plane tomorrow morning for Leeds' trip to the Far East.
 
Just heard on Radio 5
Our second bid was in the "early twenties"
Rio WILL be going to China
Risdale has returned to France

IMO Offer 25M Max and if it is turned down then
drop it.
 
Just been on BBC 5 Live that Ridsdale has boarded a plane to return to his holiday in Monaco. Apparently Utd's 1st bid was for £20 million. Their second bid was a few million higher (low 20's) but nowhere near the £30 million Leeds are demanding.

Either Utd think Rio's not worth it or they think Leeds will cave in.
 
Sorry Lawman must have been posting at the same time. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
 
As far as Leeds fans are concerned we honestly see that we have a great CB and let's face it..Kewell has never had Leeds blood running through his veins either.

Even though we know Rio doesn't want to stay, he's apparently the best so if we keep hold of him we'll be happy.

I doubt he will play badly if he stays at Leeds as he needs to keep his england spot for Euro 2004 qualifying. If he starts sulking and slipping up because he doesn't move to Man Utd then Woodgate, Terry, Brown, King, Bramble would be more than happy to take his spot.

So the way Leeds fans are seeing it at the moment, he may not want to play for us...but we signed him...and if no one else can afford him he's stil a leeds player and we know he'll perform.

He even covered himself by saying (belatedly) that he would be happy to stay at Leeds and give 100% if the deal didn't go through.

There is no way he would retain the captaincy though.

As for Leeds' debts....they will still most likely get 25 million for him minimum at the end of next season so selling him now for only 5 million more won't matter too much.

I still maintain that everyone would get a clearer picture of where things are heading if Rio stayed until next season.

He may not want to be there but the way most see it he's good, so we'll keep him if we can.

But as I have said before, I still think he will be sold.
 
Red News

Leeds turn down £28m bid for Rio

Ridsdale: "I have had one conversation with Manchester United but it did not move the situation on any further. We have still to receive a bid of a level that we would find acceptable."

Another offer expected later
 
The idea of buying Leeds PLC in less money than they want for Rio is starting to look good now...
 
Originally posted by veron004:
<strong>Just been on BBC 5 Live that Ridsdale has boarded a plane to return to his holiday in Monaco.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If thats true then it's over... For now.
 
its the samestory again. every time manchester united cast their eyes on a player allthe clubs try to rip them off. lets face it - even 28 million is a rip off for a player like rio ferdinand.
 
Originally posted by elmo:
<strong>As far as Leeds fans are concerned we honestly see that we have a great CB and let's face it..Kewell has never had Leeds blood running through his veins either.

Even though we know Rio doesn't want to stay, he's apparently the best so if we keep hold of him we'll be happy.

I doubt he will play badly if he stays at Leeds as he needs to keep his england spot for Euro 2004 qualifying. If he starts sulking and slipping up because he doesn't move to Man Utd then Woodgate, Terry, Brown, King, Bramble would be more than happy to take his spot.

So the way Leeds fans are seeing it at the moment, he may not want to play for us...but we signed him...and if no one else can afford him he's stil a leeds player and we know he'll perform.

He even covered himself by saying (belatedly) that he would be happy to stay at Leeds and give 100% if the deal didn't go through.

There is no way he would retain the captaincy though.

As for Leeds' debts....they will still most likely get 25 million for him minimum at the end of next season so selling him now for only 5 million more won't matter too much.

I still maintain that everyone would get a clearer picture of where things are heading if Rio stayed until next season.

He may not want to be there but the way most see it he's good, so we'll keep him if we can.

But as I have said before, I still think he will be sold.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks, elmo, sorry to hear about your grandad. My younger brother died on April 11 of this year aged 31, so I know how you must feel.

I think Utd will have their ceiling price as they need other players. If it's true they've offered £28 million (and there is a suggestion on the BBC that they've only offered in the low £20 million range)I think they must be getting close to that. If Ridsdale has gone back on holiday it would also seem that they can't come to an agreement. So you may get your wish and have Rio around (for 1 more season?) after all.
 
We've just tabled 29m and had it rejected. We would be helped if Rio puts some pressure on Ridsdale by staying behind.
 
Originally posted by veron004:
<strong>Just been on BBC 5 Live that Ridsdale has boarded a plane to return to his holiday in Monaco. Apparently Utd's 1st bid was for £20 million. Their second bid was a few million higher (low 20's) but nowhere near the £30 million Leeds are demanding.

Either Utd think Rio's not worth it or they think Leeds will cave in.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Second bid was 29m according to Skysports
 
We shouldn`t let Leeds play this EGO game.Rio is good but we shouldn`t just give in.I`ll be upset if we didn`t get Rio but its still not the end of the world.

If we failed our bid, lets see how Leeds fan treat Rio and we will probably get him for much cheaper price afew months down the line....
 
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>So basically they are all guessing the price because none have them has a clue.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Most of the news you here is probably speculation. No one even probably knows if Ridsdale has gone to France. My guess is it will be wrapped up by the morning - the fee and by 12.30 the personal terms. If we don't sign him, there'll be an announcement by Utd. in the morning. Either which way, we'll probably know tommorow morning.
 
Originally posted by ForeverRed:
<strong>We shouldn`t let Leeds play this EGO game.Rio is good but we shouldn`t just give in.I`ll be upset if we didn`t get Rio but its still not the end of the world.

If we failed our bid, lets see how Leeds fan treat Rio and we will probably get him for much cheaper price afew months down the line....</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have to agree with that. Not getting Rio would probably be a bigger loss for Leeds than for us. I dont think they want him anymore - the fans that is. I dont really see them liking the fact that he cares more for us than for them.
 
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