Right Winger... Who do we go for?

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reddaz71 said:
Will be interesting to see what position Ronaldo takes up when he rejoins us,maybe on the right but I think probably a central position,having said that,Sanchez is quite flexible so we will see!
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Quality post this
 
Is it too early to be worried? Honestly I’m not sure who we can get, I really can’t get excited about willian - just too old for the money.
 
Ali Dia said:
Very talented player but there’s a reason he’s at stoke. Maybe the penny has dropped with him now though?
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My thoughts, too. I like him but he's so inconsistent. If the penny has dropped then he'd be a good signing.
Ekeke said:
But theres more than 1 way to do that. Thauvin will score goals whether he has a 7/10 game week after week or not. Having more goals in the team can allow other players not to have to worry so much about getting on the scoresheet, for example our midfield wouldnt have to chip in as much and could concentrate on controlling the game and stealing the ball from the opponents.

I don't think hes my first choice, but a player like him who is a proper goal threat is obviously a decent option given our lack of goals
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If he could keep his goalscoring rate up here then his overall play would definitely be less of an issue as you say. The thing is I'm not too convinced that he'll remain a consistent goalscorer - especially in a tougher league. Memphis has become one over there and, having watched a lot of Lyon, the fact that they are an organised team in a weaker league is a big reason why, though of course Memphis deserves credit, too.

I agree with your last sentence, though. I wouldn't bank on him being a success here but I could completely understand why he'd be an option for us.
 
stretford_oslo said:
What? Thought he was like 34.
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Does look older, with somewhat distinct (if not unorthodox) body and agility. But he’s been a pain in the ass on the right wing, with great crosses and good decisions. Had also taken quality shots on goals, up until his quality finish today.

Not even close to the class we’re hoping for, but sure as shit more assertive than anyone we keep trotting out there.
 
Is Mahrez still available or he has an agreement with City?
 
The lack of RW's in todays market is quite something. I can't think of a single good and realistic target.
 
SwansonsTache said:
The lack of RW's in todays market is quite something. I can't think of a single good and realistic target.
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The popularization of inverted wingers has, in my opinion, made wing players more intentionally one-dimensional in their developmental years and has contributed to the dearth of top class wide players. It's some combination of a heavier focus on wide players contributing goals rather than assists, and a devaluation of crosses.

I see players these days focus so much on cutting in on their dominant foot - they seemingly aren't taught how to take their man on and whip in crosses from their dominant side. A player who is right foot dominant but is forced to use his left growing up, even just to be somewhat decent with it, makes a terrifying proposition on the RW, because the threat of going in on his left means he can beat his man on the outside easier.

I think there are a lot of good wide players in the world, but they pigeonhole themselves onto one side as an inverted winger rather than being more positionally flexible. Growing up playing, the greatest strength my team had was two wingers who could switch positions throughout the match and be dangerous no matter what side of the pitch they were on, because they could go both ways at least decently enough to make the defenders pause when they were taking them on 1v1.
 
SwansonsTache said:
The lack of RW's in todays market is quite something. I can't think of a single good and realistic target.
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How many of these players did you watch regularly last season?

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Ekeke said:
How many of these players did you watch regularly last season?

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I've followed all of their careers extensively since their youth years.

..No, I've not watched a single one of them except Sterling.
 
SwansonsTache said:
I've followed all of their careers extensively since their youth years.

..No, I've not watched a single one of them except Sterling.
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Me either. I saw a couple of games from Thauvin and Correa other than Sterling.

The stats suggest there are good right wingers out there, we just dont watch their teams
 
SwansonsTache said:
The lack of RW's in todays market is quite something. I can't think of a single good and realistic target.
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There have been a few available in recent years though. Dembele, Douglas Costa, Bernardo Silva, Salah have all been on the market these last couple of years.
But the fact that all wingers today are mainly utilized as inside forwards is always going to make right wingers a short supply as there's like one left footed player for every five right footed ones in the game today.

With all the money in the game today it's always going to be difficult to extract the best players fom their clubs. But I think Malcom and Zaha for example are good options that could be available right now.
 
Mahrez is a classy player but like a lot of signings you might think make sense from a footballing point of view you have to question if Mourinho would work with players like him.

I don't see Mourinho signing a player like Mahrez (Doesn't work hard enough) or Pulisic (too young)

I think we are looking at a superstar signing (Bale) or a hard working player of good quality (Willian/Perisic)

I think there's a good chance we sign no one for this problem area based on this
 
I know a Stoke fan who said to me recently that Shaqiri is the most frustrating player they've ever had - because on his day he's a world beater, but doesn't show up often... very inconsistent.

I bit like how I felt about Nani when he was at United.
 
Fosu-Mens said:
Yes, True. But compared to a potential £60m Willian move.


What is a Mourinho type player in your eyes?
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I think Mahrez would be ideal for our RW position, but ImI not sure that Mourinho would work with players like him, players who doesn't have a good work rate.

IMO he prefers an experienced and hard working player in the attack instead of a young player.

For CM, it seems that he wants someone with physical presence like SMS, Talisca, etc. On the other hand, I can see Guardiola signing players like Isco, Thiago, Mahrez, etc with good technical qualities.

For strikers, I think Mourinho prefers a target striker like Lukaku, Ibrahimovic, Costa, Dzeko... Not skillful players as Gabriel Santos, Suarez, Aguero, etc. Also, he likes fast defenders like Varane, Skriniar, Bailly... And one of the wingers should have a good work rate like Perisic/William.

So that's Mourinho type of players in my eyes, but I could be wrong and maybe he could go for players like Thiago, Mahrez.
 
I'll be honest, I would take Shaqiri. Way better than anything we currently have, on his day he's a beast and he would cost very little in the current market. Massive upgrade on Mata and Lingard, he's a hard worker and he wouldn't come here with an ego thinking he's a fulltime starter.
 
Shaqiri off the bench would be a great option tbf. We'd still need a better starting RW though. Honestly, have no idea who could fill that void. (I would go with Mahrez myself, but idk if he'd actually be worth the fee)
 
If Jose wanted Mahrez, he'd have already completed two seasons for us by now. He quite clearly doesn't fancy him, Mahrez has been available and on the market for a few years. It ain't happening.
 
I wonder if this Malcom is the real deal, would sure as feck rather punt on someone like him than buy fecking Shaqiri.
 
They need to be good in the build up as well, not just fleet-footed and good in 1v1 situations against fullbacks. There needs to be an intelligence and awareness when linking with the other players.

What I worry about with these up and coming wingers, is that they will get swallowed up by the game and are exposed outside of simple direct wing play where they look at their most impressive with their flair.
 
Kearnkoff69 said:
The popularization of inverted wingers has, in my opinion, made wing players more intentionally one-dimensional in their developmental years and has contributed to the dearth of top class wide players. It's some combination of a heavier focus on wide players contributing goals rather than assists, and a devaluation of crosses.

I see players these days focus so much on cutting in on their dominant foot - they seemingly aren't taught how to take their man on and whip in crosses from their dominant side. A player who is right foot dominant but is forced to use his left growing up, even just to be somewhat decent with it, makes a terrifying proposition on the RW, because the threat of going in on his left means he can beat his man on the outside easier.

I think there are a lot of good wide players in the world, but they pigeonhole themselves onto one side as an inverted winger rather than being more positionally flexible. Growing up playing, the greatest strength my team had was two wingers who could switch positions throughout the match and be dangerous no matter what side of the pitch they were on, because they could go both ways at least decently enough to make the defenders pause when they were taking them on 1v1.
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... and I thought it was just me.... sanity at last
 
Kearnkoff69 said:
The popularization of inverted wingers has, in my opinion, made wing players more intentionally one-dimensional in their developmental years and has contributed to the dearth of top class wide players. It's some combination of a heavier focus on wide players contributing goals rather than assists, and a devaluation of crosses.

I see players these days focus so much on cutting in on their dominant foot - they seemingly aren't taught how to take their man on and whip in crosses from their dominant side. A player who is right foot dominant but is forced to use his left growing up, even just to be somewhat decent with it, makes a terrifying proposition on the RW, because the threat of going in on his left means he can beat his man on the outside easier.

I think there are a lot of good wide players in the world, but they pigeonhole themselves onto one side as an inverted winger rather than being more positionally flexible. Growing up playing, the greatest strength my team had was two wingers who could switch positions throughout the match and be dangerous no matter what side of the pitch they were on, because they could go both ways at least decently enough to make the defenders pause when they were taking them on 1v1.
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The jobs that you describe is being handed to the fullbacks these days, that's it. All top teams have wonderful midfielders and with pressing, top teams usually dominate possession and hence the top teams play with ultra attacking fullbacks who act as wingers in the team.
 
Definitely not Willian. He will struggle against parked buses, just like he has done for Brazil in their two matches. He looks amazing when running with the ball and with huge space ahead of him, but he will struggle against defensive teams.
 
Anyone but Willian. Bale will be our main target. I have a feeling Ed will pull this one out.
 
Plenty of exciting talent out there and I for one am looking forward to watching on of them in a couple of minutes for Mexico, we have been rumoured with Lozano plenty of times, especially before he made the switch to PSV, looks destined to move to a bigger club before long. Could he be the answer?
 
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Lozano from Mexico is 22yo and can play in both wings...
 
jderbyshire said:
I know a Stoke fan who said to me recently that Shaqiri is the most frustrating player they've ever had - because on his day he's a world beater, but doesn't show up often... very inconsistent.

I bit like how I felt about Nani when he was at United.
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Lee Dixon (I think) on ITV said the same before Switzerlands first game. In fact I think he called him the most frustrating player of all time.
 
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