Ya if you listened to the whole clip and not some of the rubbish been spouted online that he was quoted as saying , he came across fairly well.
Richard Arnold secretly filmed whilst speaking to supporters
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Wot?
In what way?
Even if he didn't know that someone recorded it, he obviously knew that whatever he said to them would end up on social media.
The only possibly semi-controversial thing he said was the part where he - arguably - suggested a little too directly that people who are no longer at the club did a poor job. As in - what he said can be interpreted almost as a dig.
Not that anyone disagrees - but you could argue that it isn't 100% professional. Possibly.
But given that he doesn't come across as an idiot, I'm sure he knows exactly what he can and cannot say in a situation like that. In other words - if he was indeed taking the piss out of Woodward (kind of), he probably knows that Joel/Avram will be cool with that.
The only possibly semi-controversial thing he said was the part where he - arguably - suggested a little too directly that people who are no longer at the club did a poor job. As in - what he said can be interpreted almost as a dig.
Not that anyone disagrees - but you could argue that it isn't 100% professional. Possibly.
But given that he doesn't come across as an idiot, I'm sure he knows exactly what he can and cannot say in a situation like that. In other words - if he was indeed taking the piss out of Woodward (kind of), he probably knows that Joel/Avram will be cool with that.
The Heinz group then.
Beanz meanz Heinz. Bloody Lingard again.
Is the full recording out there? I've only ever seen the 2 minute-ish version
It was interesting to hear from him (although he didn’t say anything unforgettable) but I still wish he hadn’t done it as it will only encourage it to happen again. Why are the majority of our fans so unlikeable, no wonder neutral fans are still celebrating our demise ten years on.
Isn't it obvious?
We're currently in negotiations with Barca for FDJ.
They want to rinse us for every cent they can due to their financial issues, we've bid approx 65m with I think 10m in add ons. They want 100m! We likely said we can't do that as we have x amount in our transfer kitty and believe the offer is fair etc etc...
Arnold was decent enough (albeit naïve) to say we've actually got 200m in the kitty.
If you're Barca are you going to ignore this fact and say ah so you've extra funds, that's OK we don't want it?
It's akin to Woodwards famous remarks years ago saying we've x amount in the war chest and we can afford any player. Isn't that the very thing the anti glazer protest idiot type complains about?
Agreed. Whether done on the down low by the person recording it, or whether an intentional PR stunt - Arnold seems to have come out of it looking pretty good.
My main takeaway is you could feel his pain at how rubbish we have been recently. Good.
Nobody seems to have picked up on the "new stadium" mention that he appeared to say 2 or 3 times
I know a couple of people who worked alongside him in the commercial team in the early years of finding sponsors for everything.
Both obviously United fans, both moved on to other jobs before SAF left so as bummed and not-ITK as any of us. They both swear by him.
I must say, I think he comes across well- as someone who gives a shit, who will take the time to reason with people, and someone who is prepared to be honest. These characeristics are not so common at the moment. I believe all of this is quite encouraging for the future, something I never felt with Woodward.
Do we think they actually expected him to come out and talk to them or do we think they were a bit miffed they didn't get their usual stock picture of them holding a bed sheet with writing on as they stood there in balaclavas?
This reads like the bitterest post in here
Absolutely disgusting and despicable to record a private conversation without consent.
Lavoreremo in libertà.
Fair play for the way he handled it. Filming him without his permission though is pretty low… that’s the reason something like this will probably never happen again. Idiot fans ruining it. There needs to be regular meetings between fans and someone high up in the club though to keep a healthy relationship.
That's pretty much it really. They wanted the headlines for their little protest at his house, instead he's fronted them out and they don't like it.
I respect Arnold for stepping up like that. These lads who recorded him are dishonourable little shits. I hate the world we live in now, no honour and any honest act gets twisted for some other purpose. It’s amazing that anyone on our board comes out looking good, and these idiots made it happen.
The problem is that the people who want to have the meetings are morons who don't believe anything being said anyway. Some of these blokes have no intention of being part of anything positive, they're just literally got nothing else to do with their time except hold their mums painted bedsheets outside peoples homes.
people are making a bigger deal of this than it needs to be. shouldn't have recorded him - credit to him for engaging with the fans.
move on
move on
Isn’t that what everyone is saying?
Came off very well. This secret recording has been, ironically, a good PR for him
not really - I didn't read 18 pages, but in the last one there's someone saying they expect him to resign. My post wasn't strictly about redcafe only either. The guy on twitter is saying he's getting threats. I mean, even this thread being 18 pages is a bit much, but alas
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Fair enough. You are right in any case. Well done Arnold for speaking well, shame the idiots recorded him.
My take is the only way Woodward ended there was as an investment banker that orchestrated a leveraged buyout. Nothing to do with football. No other club would ever take him as his only attributes are rather useless.
Conversely, Richard Arnold fronted and executed a sensational commercial strategy which has bankrolled the club throughout and you can feel his pain at how we wasted all that money and, undoubtedly has had his work cut out keeping us up there in the revenue rankings despite our performances.
One thing my mates have told me before and absolutely makes sense is: "Real, Barcelona, Chelsea, City... they all wanted -some even still need- to replicate what we were doing. We have been targeted by headhunters, you think Arnold didn't? You think the Sheikh's can't offer him insanse terms? You think Roman didn't try buy him like he bought Kenyon? And yet, he is still there".
We should all be assuming we are dealing with someone who 100% has the club's best interests at heart. It's better than we've had for almost a decade.
Never thought of it that way, Woodward pissed away a lot of Arnolds work helping bring in the revenue
In this pic on the left some of them have phones in their hands. Surely he knew there was a big possibility he will get recorded and that what he said will come out.
In any case, he comes looking good here and like he cares. You could argue that it's s bit unprofessional he went fully open about some things, but he didn't reveal anything big or confidential. Barcelona knows we have the money, it is irrelevant if we have 120/150/200. They would still set the same price and we would go through the same process of lowering the fee.
I expect that he will, I don't think that he necessarily should.
Good.point indeed
A lot gets made of players’ wages - how much is Arnold being paid?
Absolutely no chance.
I hope not. I dont see why he should resign just because a significant portion of our fanbase are cnuts.
I should add, that it was out of order filming him without his consent, but Richard Arnold spoke plainly and honestly about the dire situation United find themselves in. That was really good. Good to hear that the money we need for transfers is there, but now we need to back up those words with action.