Richard Arnold secretly filmed whilst speaking to supporters

You know what the funny thing is about “claiming our club back” is?

They’ll never “have” the club.

The Glazers could leave and sell to some other rich businessmen. So again, not having the club for themselves.

You can’t claim what you never had and when it was PLC the fans never owned enough to own the club when it was available to us.

What is it they actually want then?
 
UnitedSofa said:
You know what the funny thing is about “claiming our club back” is?

They’ll never “have” the club.

The Glazers could leave and sell to some other rich businessmen. So again, not having the club for themselves.

You can’t claim what you never had and when it was PLC the fans never owned enough to own the club when it was available to us.

What is it they actually want then?
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The German model but honest to god, could you imagine these plankton involved making decisions for the club?
 
UnitedSofa said:
What is it they actually want then?
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The more reasonable among the "Glazers out" fans want - gradually - more fan input. Ideally, a situation where actual fan ownership could make a difference (selling shares with voting rights to fans - in some shape or form). That would be a long-term goal (obviously).

Short-term, they want more transparency and more communication (the Glazers have been notoriously distant and pretty much incommunicado).

However, I don't think people who show up at the homes of people like Arnold and Woodward are "reasonable" fans. There's a segment of fans who seem to think that "Glazers out" is some kind of achievable (short-term) end in and of itself. And those fans do not seem to know exactly what they want - meaning, they don't actually have any realistic alternative to "Glazers out": they just shout and carry banners (mum's sheets, as someone aptly said above), seemingly believing that it's possible to "sack" the owners the way you would sack a manager.
 
Mickeza said:


Clearly protesting at a guy’s private residence is within their core values.
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Why is protesting legally outside a person's residence wrong? Is it illegal on a public street in UK?
Went through their Twitter page and I'm surprised why United fans don't get behind them. They are literally organizing a targeted and seemingly legal attack on the sponsors who prop up a regime that you hate. This is literally how Liverpool fans pressured their previous regime to sell - sponsors started to pull out and new ones avoided signing on as their social media was filled with negative comments and that further drove to damage the previous regime's finances.
Is this illegal in the UK? How did Pool fans do this?

In every group there will be a few racists/sexists/homophobes. The important thing is to remove such people and get behind the idea. Martin Luther King was absolutely clear that women did not belong in the workplace and that homosexuality was a sin. Yet people got behind his idea of racial solidarity.

Please note: this is the reality of your owners - and it goes way beyond football or partisan fans:
https://www.12up.com/posts/court-fi...om-environmental-disaster-relief-01dbxrw427b4
 
48 hours said:
Who controls the mobile phone?
Who lets the other protests down?
We do, we do
Who keeps a pub off the maps?
Who keeps our members under wraps?
We do, we do
Who holds race relations back?
Who makes Richard Arnold a star?
We do, we do
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ilrm said:
Why is protesting legally outside a person's residence wrong?
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Because you target the individual and not his role or function.

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - he has done which warrants bothering (potentially scaring/upsetting) his family.

This goes for even the most despicable politician, as far as I'm concerned. So, it obviously goes for the CEO of a football club.
 
Keefy18 said:
How so?

Fan own a percentage of the club, cheaper ticket prices etc etc...
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Outside of Bayern, not a single club is competitive in Europe in the transfer market or the CL.

Fans want to win trophies, not own 50%. We can’t even agree on this forum what’s best for the club, imagine what would happen to the club if we owned 50%? We have to accept that there’s a bunch of United fans who just have a problem with establishment and don’t trust any authority, regardless who’s in charge or who owns the other 50%.
 
Did our CEO disclose our transfer budget to some random blokes where we are haggling with Barca over FDJ? Wow, that’s next level incompetence for me.

However, hats off for Arnold having courage to face the fans face to face,
 
I watched the videos post by that twitter guy, I didn't find any video where he said "We have 200 million budget".
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Because you target the individual and not his role or function.

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - he has done which warrants bothering (potentially scaring/upsetting) his family.

This goes for even the most despicable politician, as far as I'm concerned. So, it obviously goes for the CEO of a football club.
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Precisely. Protest outside Old Trafford, Carrington or the clubs offices in London only thing protesting outside Arnold's house was ever going to achieve was to scare his family and get a talking to from the police. These are 30/40/50 year old men you'd think they would have more sense.
 
pocco said:
I think he said it as an example if I heard right. "say a hundred, one fifty, two hundred million" or something like that. They're just looking for followers by exaggerating everything he said.
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Yeah that's how I remember too, he said money is not a problem when talking about De jong, somehow that got translated to "We have 200 million budget" "Arnold is an idiot for saying we have 200 million, now Barca will ask more".
 
madzo2007 said:
These are 30/40/50 year old men you'd think they would have more sense.
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I don't want to generalize. But - and this is, of course, anecdotal so take it as such - I know people who never moved on.

I'm not talking about buying a house and having a couple of kids. I never did that myself. But I did stop getting pissed out of my head every bloody Friday and Saturday. And I did stop treating football as the most important thing in the world.

But some never did (and that - sadly - includes people who actually did buy a house and have a couple of kids).

I know people who are now pushing fifty who are as mature as a 17 year old - not least after a pint or two.

Again - I genuinely do not want to generalize. But I think that at least some of the people who are attracted to "taking action" in the form of this sort of "protest" belong to the category I described above. They're immature idiots - close to fifty, but immature idiots who have never properly reflected on what the feck they're doing with their lives.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I don't want to generalize. But - and this is, of course, anecdotal so take it as such - I know people who never moved on.

I'm not talking about buying a house and having a couple of kids. I never did that myself. But I did stop getting pissed out of my head every bloody Friday and Saturday. And I did stop treating football as the most important thing in the world.

But some never did (and that - sadly - includes people who actually did buy a house and have a couple of kids).

I know people who are now pushing fifty who are as mature as a 17 year old - not least after a pint or two.

Again - I genuinely do not want to generalize. But I think that at least some of the people who are attracted to "taking action" in the form of this sort of "protest" belong to the category I described above. They're immature idiots - close to fifty, but immature idiots who have never properly reflected on what the feck they're doing with their lives.
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I think it gives them a sense of self worth perhaps? they're fighting for a cause bigger than themselves, or something along those lines.

They probably feel super empowered by this reaching national news levels.
 
Biggins said:
Did our CEO disclose our transfer budget to some random blokes where we are haggling with Barca over FDJ? Wow, that’s next level incompetence for me.

However, hats off for Arnold having courage to face the fans face to face,
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He did no such thing. He said said the money was there to spend and these muppets started throwing numbers around
 
Adam-Utd said:
I think it gives them a sense of self worth perhaps? they're fighting for a cause bigger than themselves, or something along those lines.
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Yes - and...well, we all need that: self worth. I don't want to judge them like some high-horse twat.

But it's just...misguided. If you really want to confirm yourself by fighting for a bigger cause, there are so many things you could do that would be better and more productive than this.

I think it's their comfort zone, to be brutally honest. They've been doing this (getting confirmation from their peers, being part of a tribe, nothing truly important on the line apart from the objectively trivial shite they've dedicated themselves to because that's what the older boys did) since they started drinking at the age of 13...oh, I'm rambling, and I'm probably being overly harsh, but there you go: I do know the type (I could have very easily been one of them myself).
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Yes - and...well, we all need that: self worth. I don't want to judge them like some high-horse twat.

But it's just...misguided. If you really want to confirm yourself by fighting for a bigger cause, there are so many things you could do that would be better and more productive than this.

I think it's their comfort zone, to be brutally honest. They've been doing this (getting confirmation from their peers, being part of a tribe, nothing truly important on the line apart from the objectively trivial shite they've dedicated themselves to because that's what the older boys did) since they started drinking at the age of 13...oh, I'm rambling, and I'm probably being overly harsh, but there you go: I do know the type (I could have very easily been one of them myself).
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You’re not rambling mate, you’re spot on.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Yes - and...well, we all need that: self worth. I don't want to judge them like some high-horse twat.

But it's just...misguided. If you really want to confirm yourself by fighting for a bigger cause, there are so many things you could do that would be better and more productive than this.

I think it's their comfort zone, to be brutally honest. They've been doing this (getting confirmation from their peers, being part of a tribe, nothing truly important on the line apart from the objectively trivial shite they've dedicated themselves to because that's what the older boys did) since they started drinking at the age of 13...oh, I'm rambling, and I'm probably being overly harsh, but there you go: I do know the type (I could have very easily been one of them myself).
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As you say it's all they know, probably not smart enough or brave enough to push themselves to do something 'more'.

I'm sure they have good intentions at heart and genuinely want the club to change for the better, and i'm with them on that part.

but as you say getting pissed and turning up at the bosses house to shout at him isn't really a smart way of doing it.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Based off this and the fact it's clear as day we need cash injection it's time to sell naming rights to Old Trafford.

Who really cares if it's The Adidas Old Trafford Stadium or something if it helps the Club in the long term
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The Mister Potato Old Trafford
 
No Idea For Nickname said:
"Arnold laid out 4 key points"

*Reading again, trying to find fourth*
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1: On field achievements is top priority.

2: Board unhappy with last seasons performance.

3: Reminded staff of the board’s continued investment and their plan to keep spending - but in a more effective way thanks to a new structure.
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4. PROFIT!!!!
 
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Mockney said:


So of the 6-8 people that seemed to be at that “meeting” one thinks it went really well, one’s been ranting about how it was all PR spiel, one of them leaked the plan which caused Arnold to come to the pub and the one who filmed it has been kicked out for chasing twitter clout by another one who has also been kicked out for being a massive racist.

So it’s going well
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fecking hell :lol:
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Of course it’s a fecking PR move…

How did he get the info, from his house, that a few Utd fans were going to protest outside his house… and knew what pub they were inside… and who they were in the pub!?

Somebody knew who also had his personal contact details? Cmon.

Then he goes out and it ends up with you all thinking he’s a ‘man of the people’, who ‘got the beers in with the lads’ - a right good bloke, humouring the plebs like.

Let’s see how you all feel about Arnold in a few seasons time…

It then ends up that the Glazers have found a way to speak to the fans while generating pity and explaining why money isn’t being spent - how incredibly fortuitous for them.

FFS cmon. This is the same outcome of nearly all expensive PR - to come across as ‘one of the people’.
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I mean he easily could just know the pub owner who would have tipped him off.

What I find more implausible is the idea a bunch of fans who've already agreed to protest outside his house, would turn up at his local pub to openly discuss their plans, and do so for so long that he happened to be able to make his way down there and meet them.

I don't care about PR rubbish one way or the other. Like you said it's about how well he does his job, and we currently have half a squad due in part to his predecessor being a bumbling fecking idiot.

Less meeting people in pubs and more sorting out the mess please
 
Did he actually say that FDJ deal was about to be completed? I hope it's a done deal in that case because Barca can demand extra 10 million from us because Arnold put himself in a situation where he has to deliver FDJ.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Because you target the individual and not his role or function.

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - he has done which warrants bothering (potentially scaring/upsetting) his family.

This goes for even the most despicable politician, as far as I'm concerned. So, it obviously goes for the CEO of a football club.
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madzo2007 said:
Precisely. Protest outside Old Trafford, Carrington or the clubs offices in London only thing protesting outside Arnold's house was ever going to achieve was to scare his family and get a talking to from the police. These are 30/40/50 year old men you'd think they would have more sense.
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Since when have protests that make anyone feel comfortable ever worked? Since when has standing in a designated corner, silently protesting on a weekend, ever worked? I'm sorry but what world are you living in?
I'm not asking anyone to do anything illegal but if you don't make the 1% or those in power uncomfortable, they will take your voice away forever - in football and in life.
 
ilrm said:
Since when have protests that make anyone feel comfortable ever worked? Since when has standing in a designated corner, silently protesting on a weekend, ever worked? I'm sorry but what world are you living in?
I'm not asking anyone to do anything illegal but if you don't make the 1% or those in power uncomfortable, they will take your voice away forever - in football and in life.
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It's a football club not abortion or cost of living. FFS.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I think it's the guy in front on the right:
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Apologies if it ain't.
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Yes seems so and here is the bile he's posted

 
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