Yeah that's it, Levy hates us and no amount of money in there world could persuade him to sell Bale.
Replacing Rooney
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Yeah that's it, Levy hates us and no amount of money in there world could persuade him to sell Bale.
Jovetic is the closest thing I've seen in terms of style to a Rooney, but he's more technically gifted. I'd like to see Bale come in, we need to bring in 'Marquee' players and build a fear factor around the team... a summer of Bale & Fabregas would make us all forget the sorry Thiago saga.
Rooney is a striker and any deal to take him to Chelsea should involve us getting Romelo Lukaku plus a fair bit of money, 25mil at least
feck Lukaku, if Mata is genuinely available we should rip their arms off for him.
Get Mata ffs. Get him!
We already have sufficient cover on Mata's position(s) and besides haven't we trying hard to integrate a similar kind of a player in Kagawa? Losing Rooney means that we will be losing first and foremost a striker and as such it stands to reason that we should aim to get someone who can slot in and hopefully not make much of a fuss when not played. Lukaku is an absolute beast who will only get better with age. He will also offer us something different upfront as both a target man (in the unlikeliest event we end up in this direction) but also a substitute for RVP who most importantly can play with any of our other strikers when needed. Financially, we also stand to make significant savings in wages between the two (Mata and Lukaku), and with possibly a higher transfer fee further investments in key areas of the team can be made. He is also very young and on the promise of last season has a pretty high ceiling.
Mata can play anywhere in attacking midfield. He's a much better option on the left, for example, than any of our current players, Nani included. Lukaku is big and strong and not what we need, he'd merely be cover for Van Persie.
IF Rooney is desperate to leave and IF Chelsea really made that bid then it's baffling that we've rejected it.
I would imagine its because the club remembers something most here seem to be forgetting. Rooney is very very good, he was involved in more goals last year than any chelsea player barring mata (who beat him by a single goal) , and 8 more than any other united player apart from VP. In a what seems to be fact now, poor season for him.
Giving that to chelsea is giving them the title.
Not if they give us their best player in exchange, neither team would get much stronger and if anything we'd be at a better end of the deal considering Mata is younger by 3 years and coming off a great season.
We should bid for Mata, now knowing Mour does not want him and sell Rooney abroad (if willing)
Taking Mata though in exchange would make it an even trade. And what do you mean by a single goal? Mata had 19 goals and 35 assists, Rooney had 16 goals and 15 assists according to transfermarkt.
Mata is also 3 years younger then Rooney and would be a natural replacement for him, apart from playing as a striker but we don't even need Rooney for that anymore.
You have a strange definition on involving at goals or you are pretty bad at Maths. Also you;re forgetting that while we strengthen them (and weaken ourselves) by giving them Rooney on the other side we'll become stronger (and Chelsea weaker) for getting their best player, a player who has superior season compared to Rooney last season, is 3 years younger and is on less wages.
Not even Chelsea would be stupid enough to offer us Mata
I wouldn't mind if we didn't replace him. We have Kagawa for the AM slot, Hernandez and Welbeck to cover as strikers.
I wouldn't mind if we didn't replace him. We have Kagawa for the AM slot, Hernandez and Welbeck to cover as strikers.
Levy is a businessman, negotiator and club chairman who simply does the best he can for Spurs. This now includes avoiding selling our best players to rival Prem teams (as per Modric last summer), a policy that doesn't revolve around MUFC in particular.
Bale is simply not available to you, just as he's not available to any club this summer as RM have already discovered. Even if someone bid £80m, Levy would still turn it down flat ... for a whole variety of footballing, business, sponsorship and marketing reasons, not least because the player is fast becoming one of the main global faces of football.
This Levy stuff gets a bit embarassing.
Why should Levy just bend over and sell his most prized asset because the mighty Manchester United want him? It's mental.
He has one of the best in the world, he wants to keep him, Bale hasn't kicked up a fuss so it sounds like he is happy staying...
He doesn't want to do business on his best player? Nor would we. If he does have to sell...he will do it abroad as the demand is there and it doesn't damage Spurs domestically. It's not hard to grasp is it?
Why should Levy just bend over and sell his most prized asset because the mighty Manchester United want him? It's mental.
He has one of the best in the world, he wants to keep him, Bale hasn't kicked up a fuss so it sounds like he is happy staying...
He doesn't want to do business on his best player? Nor would we. If he does have to sell...he will do it abroad as the demand is there and it doesn't damage Spurs domestically. It's not hard to grasp is it?
http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Combined_2012-13.html
Thats just in the league. Against the same opposition, so can be compared.
Yeah levy would never keep negotiations going on till the last day of the transfer window to bump the price up then sell at the last moment would he
I hope bale stays at spurs... he is fantastic to watch and you genuinely wonder what he will do when he gets an opportunity to stretch the opposition.
I still wouldnt be surprised to see him at madrid at the start of september though
Do you believe that somewhere in the world, anywhere, there might be just one person who's a better human being than Levy, or is he your ultimate hero?
Not really happy but if Rooney wants out, it sounds like the best option
This idea Levy is in some kind of impenetrable position on Bale is nonsense. Spurs don't HAVE to sell, but no club has to sell anyone. But this'll be the third successive year that Spurs have been without Champions league football. When you're 23, or however old Bale is, losing out already at the chance of playing that level of football and testing yourself against the very best players in the game for three whole years (at least) isn't something generally considered tolerable.
Any chairman anywhere would find that for this reason alone he hardly held all the cards when it came to keeping a player of Bale's quality in these circumstances. There isn't this magic pill Levy has which he can take which makes him immune from what other chairman across Europe are susceptible to. If you have a star player and you're not matching his ambitions then the chances of you keeping hold in the long run are quite slim.
If Spurs don't qualify for the CL next season, meaning their next possible re-entry into the competition would be 2015/16 - Levy's hand will be as strong as heavily arthritic octogenarian who's just woken up to find they've slept on their hand. So it's either do a deal now somewhat on your terms or risk not getting into the top four this year and let the interested clubs dictate the whole thing.
Any chairman anywhere would find that for this reason alone he hardly held all the cards when it came to keeping a player of Bale's quality in these circumstances. There isn't this magic pill Levy has which he can take which makes him immune from what other chairman across Europe are susceptible to. If you have a star player and you're not matching his ambitions then the chances of you keeping hold in the long run are quite slim.
If Spurs don't qualify for the CL next season, meaning their next possible re-entry into the competition would be 2015/16 - Levy's hand will be as strong as heavily arthritic octogenarian who's just woken up to find they've slept on their hand. So it's either do a deal now somewhat on your terms or risk not getting into the top four this year and let the interested clubs dictate the whole thing.
Thats bollocks though cos the player would still be under contract for another two years. Levy is the sort of cnut who would hold on to a player irrespective of their wishes. In the long term it will hurt him as emerging players will become increasingly wary of signing long term contracts at Tottenham, but its his way of working.
All players are under contract. Do you think player power and the surge of relative autonomy over their own fate which has been the clear and increasing trend post Bosman has been because no other chairman has yet noticed they have contracts?
That isn't what happened though. Levy set a price (which was reported to be around 30 million) wich he said he wouldn't budge from. You spent most of the summer apparently offering sums in the low 20s.
Then on the final day, City were bought and offered 30 million. Levy accepted, as his asking price was met. You panicked/ were steadfast in getting Berbatov and also offered 30 million. Bid also accepted. You can argue about whether it was the right or wrong thing to do (not the best thing for our season but it at least showed Ferguson we weren't gonna bend over every time he came knocking for one of our players) but it wasn't about negotiating for price.
Just like Berbatov you mean, who had 2 years left, effectively went on strike, had his agent coming out every day going on about how much he wanted to move to Man Utd and who still wasn't sold until our asking price was met?
As for your earlier post, I think Bale and his family will decide what is tolerable. He's only 23 ffs, you make it sound like he's 29 and about to finish his career. I imagine he'll stay this season and then, barring a ridiculous campaign next season like winning the league/ coming in 2nd etc, he'll be off, even if we finish in the CL. Which I wouldn't begrudge him at all, as long as we were appropriately financially compensated.
Will it though? People said the same kind of thing about us with the whole Modric thing. Basically the whole forum laughing at Glaston for suggesting that we were rivals in any way to Chelsea and may have both footballing and non footballing reasons for not wanting to sell to Chelsea. Laughing again at the mere thought we'd be able to resist Chelsea for a whole summer. Saying Levy's actions would stop any decent player from ever signing a contract with Spurs again, either existing players or potential transfers (then Bale signed a new contract, we signed Dembele, Lloris, Vertonghen, Paulinho etc).
I disagree with that. Every player has their price - especially for a club like Spurs who dont have the financial resources to compete with the top sides. Ultimately Levy is a business man, and if as bid comes in that is right for the club he'll take it - especially if we're talking mega bids for a player who will ultimately leave for a top side anyway. Its similar to United and the Ronaldo situation - if he's going then he's going so you try to do the best deal you can.
Everyone refers to the Modric scenario as if it proves Levy is a master tactician. The key is that the Madrid deal only goes off if the player wants the move so Levy was fortunate that a club like that came in for him. Had Modric insisted on moving to Chelsea instead of Madrid what could he have done? Keeping an unhappy player isnt the best way forward.
As it stands I doubt Bale would agitate for a move, but I'm also sure he wont just sign for a foreign side to keep Levy happy. Bale hasnt signed a new contract yet (as far as I'm aware) despite it being rumoured so clearly he's not that happy to commit his future. I suspect Spurs have been made aware of his intentions to leave next year anyway.
I'm interested as to that assumption.
If Bale had shown any obvious interest in the move (like a lot of players do when Real come around) I might agree. As it stands Zidane and the Madrid President have made admiring comments and fluttered their eyelashes at him - and Bale hasnt responded. Perhaps he just doesnt want to go to Madrid so no bid has been lodged?
He's 23 who has the potential of being one of the top players around who has already foregone two years of exposure to the highest level of football that there is. How many years do you think a player with his potential can just potter around in the domestic league completely sheltered from the advantages that playing with the best players in the world in the CL can bring?
It's just unrealistic to expect him to take out what may well end up being four or five seasons at the peak of his development as a footballer on the basis that 'he isn't 29 yet'. There are reasons why footballers with ambition burst their bollocks to get CL football or into a club that can provide them with it and dont just think 'well, feck it, I'm still under 30, no rush'.
His peers who he'll rightly want to compete and be measured against have been playing CL football sometimes for a good consistent few years by the time they reach his age. He'll be fully aware of this.
EDIT: Besides all that he's 24.
THE DAILY MASH - United offered trolley-dash through QPR dressing room in exchange for Rooney
QPR MANAGER Harry Redknapp has offered Manchester United a three-minute trolley-dash to take as many players as they want for Wayne Rooney.
‘It’s on, it’s massive and it’s only while stocks last’
Redknapp also signalled there could be further inducements on the deal including a gas-fired barbecue, tickets to see Diversity on tour, and a loyalty card so that every nine players bought gives a tenth player free.Redknapp, who asked reporters to call him Crazy Harry and the club his Wacky World of Soccer Savings, said: “Clint Hill, Adel Taarabt, Yun Suk-Young, if you can get them in the trolley you’re taking them with you. And it’s a big trolley.
“We’ve got defenders, we’ve got attackers, we’ve got those blokes in the middle who honestly I can’t remember what they do, we’ve got foreign lads from every country you’ve heard of and a few you haven’t.
“Come on David, fill your trolley and fill your boots.”
Wayne Rooney responded to the offer by letting his big, soulful blue eyes slowly fill with tears before blinking and asking the cameraman if he got that or if he should go again.
The striker said: “If only people knew how sensitive I am. I mean, I’ve got a Stereophonics tattoo and I only sleep with prostitutes if Colleen’s not around or not up for it.
“By implying I am a mortal man David Moyes has insulted me, and I am angry and confused and confused and angry and hungry and aroused.”
He did it the year before, what makes you think he wouldn't have done it again? Modric was their best player and Levy stated that he wouldn't be sold to a domestic team. He therefore had to sell, probably below market price, to Madrid. I wouldn't have put it past the cnut to keep Modric if no foreign team had come in.
Bale will definitely have a say in the matter, and being a domestic player his inclination will definitely be towards staying the premiership, you would have thought. However I suspect that it'll have to get a lot closer to his contract running down before Levy is forced to accept a bid from inside the league.
Spurs were in a different position with Berbatov anyway. They didn't have CL costs to cover, or a new stadium to fund. They were a financially self-reliant club whose only immediate concern at that stage was remaining so. Since then their ambitions and overheads have undoubtedly grown.
It doesn't really matter how you slice it (whether RM have lodged a formal bid or not), at the end of the day the fact is that RM wanted Bale this summer but have not got him.
Redknapp really has lost it. No way should he be letting Taarabt go.
Redknapp and transfer season. 
WoooooshRedknapp and transfer season.
Because in Bale he has a player who is truly world class - and therefore has the potential to sell for a mega sum of money - which itself could half pay for a new stadium which is going to be vital if Spurs hold out any real hope of moving into top 4 territory on a regular basis.
You can speculate that he would have kept Modric - but they didn't. In the end they sold a player for less they could have gotten the year before, paid a year of his wages and didnt make the CL, albeit not through their own doing. They then delayed the deal to squeeze a few more quid out of Madrid - who held the cards in the deal because of the delays, and seemingly couldnt get the deal for Moutinho done as a result. Great business.
Bottom line here is that people think Levy holds all the cards - but how often do unhappy players stay at clubs? Like it or not 9 times out of 10 a player moves to the club he wants to move to. Bale has made no secret of the fact that he wants to play in the CL and at some stage he will move on. Spurs cant force him to go anywhere so for me, if he wanted a move to a particular club he'd get it eventually subject to that clueb being willing to pay the required fee.
All of this speculation is largely pointless until bids go in. Then you'll see what Levy and Spurs are made of, but as with most transfers, if United make a bid they will surely have an incling that the player is interested in the move, or they wouldnt bother.
Indeed - but that could be as much down to the player as the club. Real Madrid looks like a great move on paper, but its a big deal for a young lad to move to another country away from friends and family and into a pressure cooker environment where he's be expected to be the next Ronaldo. I can see why he'd think twice.
Its all pure speculation but a move to another PL club, one close to his family and where he could have a team built around him might appeal a bit more, be it this year or next.
I don't think we need another striker, but certainly someone who can score goals.
Even given his obvious qualities, I don't think Modric would, or should be, the replacement for Rooney if he goes. This is based purely on the face that he doesn't score enough. However, I would like to see us sign him as a proper midfielder, regardless of the Rooney situation - sign him as an addition to the squad, not a replacement. Again, he wouldn't be preferred to getting Fabregas, but he's a great option.
In terms of replacing Rooney's creativity and goals in the team, the one man I would love us to sign is Gareth Bale. He's young, dynamic, can play wide or centrally, scores loads of goals, he's proven in England and he can lash a freekick.
If Rooney stays, we need a midfielder anyway, but if he goes then my thought would be break the bank for Gareth Bale as well as whoever we're looking at for the midfield.
Even given his obvious qualities, I don't think Modric would, or should be, the replacement for Rooney if he goes. This is based purely on the face that he doesn't score enough. However, I would like to see us sign him as a proper midfielder, regardless of the Rooney situation - sign him as an addition to the squad, not a replacement. Again, he wouldn't be preferred to getting Fabregas, but he's a great option.
In terms of replacing Rooney's creativity and goals in the team, the one man I would love us to sign is Gareth Bale. He's young, dynamic, can play wide or centrally, scores loads of goals, he's proven in England and he can lash a freekick.
If Rooney stays, we need a midfielder anyway, but if he goes then my thought would be break the bank for Gareth Bale as well as whoever we're looking at for the midfield.
Yes. It's you actually, but I've always been too shy to admit it.
Next Summer will be an entirely different prospect for Spurs. Bale will essentially tell them he wants to join a certain team (whether that's Madrid, United, Barcelona etc) and Spurs will only be able to negotiate with that team.
Levy loves squeezing every penny when he sells his players. If he thinks he can get say £65m this Summer vs £50m next Summer he'll opt for the former, no doubt.
Levy loves squeezing every penny when he sells his players. If he thinks he can get say £65m this Summer vs £50m next Summer he'll opt for the former, no doubt.