Replacing Rooney

Simply wouldn't believe it if we signed any one of Fabregas, Bale or Ronaldo, all would be incredible transfers.

Similarly, I'd be mortified if we sold Rooney for 20-25m!
That's the figure being bandied around for your Fellainis and Bentekes!
 
Anyway, back on topic, Rooney is a moron. What does he have to gain from a move to Chelsea other than money?
Not becoming a United legend. Either way he won't be now, fans could have forgiven him once but he's taken it a step too far this time.
 
In regards to Kagawa, does anyone think of him in his natural position behind a striker and get excited only to think "ah Rooney plays there". I actually want the guy to leave now and for footballing reasons.
 
In regards to Kagawa, does anyone think of him in his natural position behind a striker and get excited only to think "ah Rooney plays there". I actually want the guy to leave now and for footballing reasons.

Until Kagawa has a couple of those games he had where he just looks way too physically weak to compete...then you'll be longing for Rooney's strength
 
Until Kagawa has a couple of those games he had where he just looks way too physically weak to compete...then you'll be longing for Rooney's strength

We'll need him to bulk up, not much but enough to be comfortable and still be able to be agile.
 
Until Kagawa has a couple of those games he had where he just looks way too physically weak to compete...then you'll be longing for Rooney's strength

And that is different to Rooney having one of his "boots made of lead and can't be arsed" games, how?
 
Your only fielding 10 players there mate

also as per thread title kagawa will replace rooney

done. Glad SAF sorted that before he left :)

You're right. In my zeal to type the names "Fabregas" and "Bale" (preferring Ronaldo, of course, but I can't see Real letting him go at any price) I forgot about Kagawa, who I really do see doing great things next season.

I still can't get my hear around Rooney being such a petulant moron. He's got it great, the money pours in every week from a firehose and the adoring United fanbase overlooks all his transgressions, the most bizarre of which was to bone a granny hooker. What could be so fukking horrible about playing for a club which is always in the hunt for a prem title and you get paid gobs of cash no matter how shitty your play is?

But if Rooney leaves, my only point is that with a tweak here and there, we can still run riot over the prem. Let's forget Fabregas. If somehow we could pry Mata from the chavs and somehow get Levy to accept 60m for Bale, my XI (assuming I can count to XI) is still ridiculous:

De Gea
Rafael/Rio/Vidic/Evra
Valencia/Carrick/Kagawa/Bale
Mata/RvP

Forget whether we're talking 442, 4231, 433 or whatever and exactly where everyone would play (I'm more a function guy than a strict formation guy, although my math leaves something to be desired). With the bench that we have behind that presumed starting XI, however Moyes has them deployed, the addition of Bale and Mata leaves us much better off than Rooney and no new other additions. I see no festering headcases to deal with, no threat of new ransom demands and a squad that has two potential all-worlders -- RvP and Bale -- which will bring in buckets of goals against English squads that for the most part have iffy back lines.

The problem remains our top competitors in the CL, but we already know that. I doubt any us have good answers for dealing with Bayern and Barcelona. But at least this would be a squad that would put in a decent show against them.
 
Until Kagawa has a couple of those games he had where he just looks way too physically weak to compete...then you'll be longing for Rooney's strength

I'm not having this "Kagawa is too physically weak" crap. The German league is not made up of a bunch of pussies. "Small" players have done quite well in England, such as Silva and Zola. Scholes was no mountain of a man, nor is Mata.

Can Kagawa improve upon his form from 12/13? Of course. It's a very good bet that he will. One can have a reasoned debate about how much we would miss were he to leave, but there is no reasoned debate as to whether Kagawa has what it takes to succeed in the English prem. He's got it in him, end of.
 
Bulking up our players is not an issue. We did it with De Gea, we can do it with Kagawa as well.
 
The Sunday Telegraph's backpage:

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Can Kagawa improve upon his form from 12/13? Of course. It's a very good bet that he will. One can have a reasoned debate about how much we would miss were he to leave, but there is no reasoned debate as to whether Kagawa has what it takes to succeed in the English prem. He's got it in him, end of.

I like this. I want us to keep Rooney. But I have no doubts whatsoever that Kagawa is going to shine, and hopefully make the #10 position his own. I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive.
 
Rooney to be sold for £40m
Fabregas to be bought for £30m
Bale to be bought for £60m +addons

That was my dream last night (or maybe the night before)
 
I like this. I want us to keep Rooney. But I have no doubts whatsoever that Kagawa is going to shine, and hopefully make the #10 position his own. I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive.


They shouldn't be, good players should be able to shine without necessarily always being in their best position. If Rooney did stay there's no reason, he Kagawa, RVP and nani/valencia couldn't form a great front four where players moved with the attack etc. I think though if Rooney were to go, although Kagawa could clearly step in to the number 10 role, we'd still be taking a risk without another goal scorer coming in, as Kagawa has still to prove how well he'll do for us in that role and likewise Welbeck still needs to show he'll improve his goal scoring. Otherwise we've only got RVP and Hernandez.
 
They shouldn't be, good players should be able to shine without necessarily always being in their best position. If Rooney did stay there's no reason, he Kagawa, RVP and nani/valencia couldn't form a great front four where players moved with the attack etc. I think though if Rooney were to go, although Kagawa could clearly step in to the number 10 role, we'd still be taking a risk without another goal scorer coming in, as Kagawa has still to prove how well he'll do for us in that role and likewise Welbeck still needs to show he'll improve his goal scoring. Otherwise we've only got RVP and Hernandez.

I think if anything Rooney plays best when he's not too closely tied to any one role. So relinquishing the #10 job to Kagawa shouldn't do him too much harm. He'd do great starting in a nominally wide position to Kagawa's left, and then drifting about wherever he sees fit.

Not sure about the striker thing. I think RVP, Hernandez and Welbeck is more than enough in terms of proper forwards. The issue would be that if Rooney left we'd have the same problem of no back-up to Kagawa as we had before we got him with Rooney. RVP can sort of play there, but I think it's a waste, and his effectiveness there will diminish as his pace goes (something which is already happening). Januzaj plays pretty well there, but is not at the stage yet to be relied on as our only back-up in any position. And Giggs, for me, isn't particularly good there.

None of which worries me, because I'm confident we're keeping Rooney.
 
Simply wouldn't believe it if we signed any one of Fabregas, Bale or Ronaldo, all would be incredible transfers.

Similarly, I'd be mortified if we sold Rooney for 20-25m!
That's the figure being bandied around for your Fellainis and Bentekes!


Agreed, as far as I'm concerned it's £35m MINIMUM to a foreign team with add ons, depending on how strongly Rooney is pushing for a deal, or £60m+ to Chelsea. Anything less is a joke!