No he won't. He'll do exactly what he did with Modric which is cut off his nose to spite his face and keep hold of an unhappy player rather than sell to a domestic rival.
Replacing Rooney
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No he won't. He'll do exactly what he did with Modric which is cut off his nose to spite his face and keep hold of an unhappy player rather than sell to a domestic rival.
Nobody needs Bale as much as Spurs need to sell him for as much as possible.
Missing out on Bale is like missing out on any other top player. Sort of happens most of the time anyway it's not going to be that consequential.
Spurs have CL ambitions to maintain (or achieve) and a new stadium building/relocation project costing north of £350m to finance during that time. I'm not convinced they'll refuse to sell a single asset with £60m+ out of sheer stubbornness. Keep hold of him this year, don't make the CL again next season and flogging him for anywhere near £60m in the summer of 2014 becomes increasingly difficult. Especially as clubs will know by then how much he'll be demanding to move.
Missing out on Bale is like missing out on any other top player. Sort of happens most of the time anyway it's not going to be that consequential.
Spurs have CL ambitions to maintain (or achieve) and a new stadium building/relocation project costing north of £350m to finance during that time. I'm not convinced they'll refuse to sell a single asset with £60m+ out of sheer stubbornness. Keep hold of him this year, don't make the CL again next season and flogging him for anywhere near £60m in the summer of 2014 becomes increasingly difficult. Especially as clubs will know by then how much he'll be demanding to move.
While I dont think its that clear cut - it raises an interesting point.
If Bale commits to one more year on the understanding he'll leave next year that gives him plemnty of time to put the feelers out and cosnider where he goes next. Clearly interested parties would make themselves known so in theory he can made a decision. Could limit Spurs ability to get an auction going.
Why is everyone talking about Bale and Levy transfer predicament in a thread about replacing Rooney? Especially as there are two other Gareth Bale titled threads going around where people are discussing the exact same thing.
Because the discussion is replacing Rooney and the discussion has moved onto players who can replace Rooney and one of them is Bale. Unless we can only talk about players to replace Rooney who don't already have their own threads somewhere on the forum. Who might they be?
Except you're somehow now talking purely about Levy and the financial situation at Spurs which is far beyond the scope of this thread. The purpose of this thread was to figure out the best way to compensate for Rooney no longer being in our team yet you're rambling on about how Spurs need money to buy a stadium and what not.
Give a feck?
Seriously, your love for the guy is baffling. Normally football fans adore players or managers, you seem absolutely stunned by Daniel fecking Levy. It's like you have nothing but love for the man when you speak about him.
Spend your time making posts that contribute, rather than scanning for people who fall out of line and jumping on it, you are one of the best posters when you're not trolling.
He didn't do it to cut off his own nose ffs
. He didn't want to sell our best player. Is that the hardest thing for fans of mega clubs to understand? That we down here don't want to sell our best players. As it was, we kept him and finished 4th, which almost any other season would have been enough for CL and therefore a completely justified position. Not to mention that we finished above the club who were trying to buy him, a possibility that this forum spent the whole window laughing at Glaston at for even suggesting it was a possibility.
You don't grow and build as a club by selling your best players. Otherwise this is what the best clubs would do. They're eventually forced to sell due to circumstances. But this doesn't mean its the best option to sell.
My first post was relating to the last few pages in general, and not aimed at anyone. There's no need for discussions like that in this thread, that's all.
Why on earth would you think Bale would restrict himself to one team? So if he's told Levy he's set on Madrid and Villanova comes along and tells him we want to make you a star alongside Neymar and Messi, he won't even consider the option?
This is an absolutely ridiculous view. We do not need (or want) to sell Bale. Not only for footballing reasons but seemingly as much for marketing reasons now as well.
In fairness, considering some of the other shite we get in the PL, the job he's done has been excellent, especially when you consider what Sugar had done to the club before Levy arrived.
Is he perfect? Of course not, he's made mistakes, a lot of mistakes (especially the way he fires managers). Everybody does though. What can't be denied is that as time has gone on, we've advanced as a club, without the chairman/ owner leeching money off the club and without him turning us into his plaything.
Considering that over his reign, most managers and players have been relatively short lived, either because they ended up moving onto better/ worse teams, I don't think it is that strange to admire the constant throughout that period.
The Modric situation was slightly different. Chelsea spent all Summer fannying around with low-ball offers, trying to make Modric force their hand with his transfer request. In the end on the final day I believe they met Spurs' valuation but Levy understandably decided that it was far too little, too late.
Although I think Levy is short-sighted he wouldn't allow a repeat of the Berbatov affair (which screwed up their season).
He has a whole year to essentially pick any club in the world. Why would Gareth Bale settle for second best when he could be a star in any team in the world? Spurs will not dictate where Bale goes, quite the opposite.
He'll have 2 years left on his deal and Spurs will have to sell to which ever club who he chooses. Whereas now Spurs have the luxury of accepting a bid from any club of £60-70+m.
You're on shaky grounds in assuming that Bale hasn't or won't sign a new contract at Spurs this summer
You're on shaky grounds in assuming that Bale hasn't or won't sign a new contract at Spurs this summer
It would be truly bizarre if he did, although saying that Modric signed a stupidly long deal only to want to leave a year later so it isn't beyond the realms of possibility.
We shouldn't care about replacing Rooney when we have not replaced scholes.
The point is that he'll have a year to have a long hard think about where he goes and why, and to put something in place.
Asking a player to make a spot decision on where he goes is difficult enough when leaving the cluib they're at is unexpected. I'd imagine moving house, finding schools for Children and logisitcal issues to be a nightmare. Surely, if you get the chance its easier to get these issues sorted beforehand?
The scenario you put isnt very likely. If he's available next summer the top clubs will know it and will make contact early doors. They wont wait till a deal is nearly done and they steal in and hope to change the players mind.
Perhaps selling this summer would benefit Spurs financially in that they can get an auction going - although I'm sure they'd rather keep the player if given a choice.
My point isn't that Barcelona or whatever would come in at the final moment. I'm saying that say in this simplified scenario, Real Madrid tell Bale's agent they're going to go for him on the 1st July (obviously there has already likely been contact but go along with it). Barcelona come on the 2nd of July and do the same thing. Man Utd on the 3rd. Bayern on the 3rd.
He's gonna tell Barcelona, Bayern and Man Utd to piss off because he's got his heart set on going to Real?
Almost no player has his heart set on any club. Modric was 'set' on staying on London, fulfilling his dream of playing for Chelsea. We kindly told him and Chelsea to piss off with their attempt to get him a move for a much cheaper price, he and we had a good season and then he had to settle for moving to the biggest team in the world and living in Madrid. Nightmare I know.
And Finneh, you've lost me, I'm confused as to how moving to Barcelona over Real Madrid is settling for 2nd best.
He's gonna tell Barcelona, Bayern and Man Utd to piss off because he's got his heart set on going to Real?
Almost no player has his heart set on any club. Modric was 'set' on staying on London, fulfilling his dream of playing for Chelsea. We kindly told him and Chelsea to piss off with their attempt to get him a move for a much cheaper price, he and we had a good season and then he had to settle for moving to the biggest team in the world and living in Madrid. Nightmare I know.
And Finneh, you've lost me, I'm confused as to how moving to Barcelona over Real Madrid is settling for 2nd best.
Presumably, we already have a robust warchest and that a Rooney sale would add to that warchest. From a pure footballing perspective, we can afford to lose Rooney if he is replaced by Ronaldo or Bale. And if there's any actually any chance we can add Fabregas on top of that, the squad will be jizzworthy.
De Gea
Rafael/Evans or Rio/Vidic/Evra or Fabio
Valencia/Carrick/Fabregas/Ronaldo or Bale
RvP
With Kagawa, Nani, Hernandez, Welbeck, Cleverley, Zaha and Jones coming off the bench, although I assume Nani will be leaving as well.
If, somehow, the gods will allow this we've suddenly got a squad that not only will destroy our competition in the English prem but also give Bayern and Barcelona a difficult day at the office. Yes, it would probably take 100m to pull this off, but we might just have 100m lying around
Okay, I'm being a crazy, muppet-loving caftard whose middle name should be Kermit, but this thread is all about how we would compensate for losing Rooney. In my defense, the door was opened wide for such crazy talk.
De Gea
Rafael/Evans or Rio/Vidic/Evra or Fabio
Valencia/Carrick/Fabregas/Ronaldo or Bale
RvP
With Kagawa, Nani, Hernandez, Welbeck, Cleverley, Zaha and Jones coming off the bench, although I assume Nani will be leaving as well.
If, somehow, the gods will allow this we've suddenly got a squad that not only will destroy our competition in the English prem but also give Bayern and Barcelona a difficult day at the office. Yes, it would probably take 100m to pull this off, but we might just have 100m lying around
Okay, I'm being a crazy, muppet-loving caftard whose middle name should be Kermit, but this thread is all about how we would compensate for losing Rooney. In my defense, the door was opened wide for such crazy talk.
Your only fielding 10 players there mate
also as per thread title kagawa will replace rooney
done. Glad SAF sorted that before he left
also as per thread title kagawa will replace rooney
done. Glad SAF sorted that before he left
No idea what's been going on in this thread, but I think we've already got his replacement in Kagawa playing the number 10 role.
Can Kagawa take the weight of Rooney's goals though? Maybe.
He used to score a lot of goals playing for Dortmund so I don't see why he couldn't get goals for us. Besides which, RVP has effectively replaced Rooneys goal tally. Throw Hernandez into the mix who should get more games, thus hopefully getting more goals for us as well then we have goals from within.
And who was covering for him when he was out injured for 3 months? And who will cover for him if he gets injured again?
Rooney was covering for him
Plus we'll be signing a midfielder as well, and Januzaj will be getting a promotion. Not that I'm suggesting Januzaj will be a source of goals, just that there's an extra body in our team.Kagawa I agree as he plays in the same position. But a symbolic replacement, Bale.
Adnan? We could slot Welbeck in there too. Cleverley? Anderson?
We would need some sort of decent backup, but how will Moyes want us to set up?
What kind of player will he want to play in there?
I agree that it would be good for us to get a big signing, I just don't necessarily feel that we need to replace Rooney like for like.
If we did get rid of Rooney, Ronaldo would be an interesting signing from Rooney's perspective. One legend returning to OT, another (failed) one leaving. If I were Rooney, I'd be devastated.
However as he's been treated a little unfairly by being made second choice in such a harsh way, this wouldn't of happened had he pushed himself.
As Mike Clegg said, Ronaldo loves the gym and pushes himself 100%. Rooney simply doesn't.
However as he's been treated a little unfairly by being made second choice in such a harsh way, this wouldn't of happened had he pushed himself.
As Mike Clegg said, Ronaldo loves the gym and pushes himself 100%. Rooney simply doesn't.
And when was the last time any of them played there? Welbeck, was it in the Madrid game? And Clevereley is not effective playing as an CAM. We did not use him there this season since we had both Kagawa and Rooney. Also when did Anderson play there? He is injured half the time and he is fat and trying to get his fitness back the other half. Januzag maybe. It still remains to be seen if he is going to get a promotion to the 1st team this season or go out on loan and get regular 1st team football.
Anyway, back on topic, Rooney is a moron. What does he have to gain from a move to Chelsea other than money?
Well then why do we need a CM? We have Giggs, Jones and Anderson to play backup right? We need a quality CAM type player who can interchange and play on the wing. Just having backups to make the numbers is not hard to find. We need quality.
He's heard about these famous Chelsea pensioners, and just could not resist.
As in we need backup in Rooney goes. Probably should of mentioned it needed to be quality!
The ONLY way we could buy Gareth Bale is if the Welshman forces the move himself. And unlike certain c*nts currently wearing the United 10, he's never seemed like that type of man.
Not going to happen. Bale will play another year with Tottenham, then leave next summer for whoever pays the most.
Not going to happen. Bale will play another year with Tottenham, then leave next summer for whoever pays the most.
Has to be Bale. Both football-wise and symbolically. United always have a British/Irish core.