Renato Sanches

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Ibi Dreams said:
Perhaps you're the odd one out, because virtually nobody knew of Martial before he signed for us. Most people who had heard of him knew him from FIFA or Football Manager, and he had started less than 20 first team games if I remember correctly. I don't know anything about Sanches, but the whole situation seems incredibly similar to the Martial situation. If our scouts think he's the real deal then I'll trust them with that, because sometimes, like with Martial, it only becomes clear how good they really are once they join us. If we're really willing to spend that much on him then the club must be pretty convinced that he's a big talent.
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To be fair, anyone who watched the qualification round for the champions league between Valencia and Monaco could tell that Martial was ridiculously talented, and it seemed obvious that it wasn't a one time thing for him then. Was by a distance the best player on the pitch in both games, despite his age. Also he had a pretty big impact in the champions league game against Arsenal last season for Monaco in the round of 16, so it's not like he came out of nowhere.

Also, Martial was a winger/striker. Pacey attacking players will always cost way more then midfielders, and most people are saying Sanches is a box to box midfielder more then anything (which we already have), not even a play maker type like we need. I trust that he has huge potential if we'd be willing to pay a lot for him, but I'd be pretty willing to be that this would be a much bigger risk then Martial and that he wouldn't have the same immediate impact.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
Perhaps you're the odd one out, because virtually nobody knew of Martial before he signed for us. Most people who had heard of him knew him from FIFA or Football Manager, and he had started less than 20 first team games if I remember correctly.
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Martial had started 41 matches for Monaco before joining us.
 
bosnian_red said:
To be fair, anyone who watched the qualification round for the champions league between Valencia and Monaco could tell that Martial was ridiculously talented, and it seemed obvious that it wasn't a one time thing for him then. Was by a distance the best player on the pitch in both games, despite his age. Also he had a pretty big impact in the champions league game against Arsenal last season for Monaco in the round of 16, so it's not like he came out of nowhere.

Also, Martial was a winger/striker. Pacey attacking players will always cost way more then midfielders, and most people are saying Sanches is a box to box midfielder more then anything (which we already have), not even a play maker type like we need. I trust that he has huge potential if we'd be willing to pay a lot for him, but I'd be pretty willing to be that this would be a much bigger risk then Martial and that he wouldn't have the same immediate impact.
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I've only seen him once so I'm not nailing my flag to the mast and the prices mentioned are crazy, but he's not just a basic box to box, his incisive passing and positional discipline look good, and his balance when dribbling and acceleration off the mark would give a dimension to our midfield we don't currently have.
 
bosnian_red said:
To be fair, anyone who watched the qualification round for the champions league between Valencia and Monaco could tell that Martial was ridiculously talented, and it seemed obvious that it wasn't a one time thing for him then. Was by a distance the best player on the pitch in both games, despite his age. Also he had a pretty big impact in the champions league game against Arsenal last season for Monaco in the round of 16, so it's not like he came out of nowhere.

Also, Martial was a winger/striker. Pacey attacking players will always cost way more then midfielders, and most people are saying Sanches is a box to box midfielder more then anything (which we already have), not even a play maker type like we need. I trust that he has huge potential if we'd be willing to pay a lot for him, but I'd be pretty willing to be that this would be a much bigger risk then Martial and that he wouldn't have the same immediate impact.
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Fair enough, I didn't watch those games as I'm sure most people didn't. Having said that, at one point Januzaj was our best creative player and looked pretty nailed on - it doesn't always happen, and we've been incredibly lucky with Martial being so good so consistently. Scouts can look at talent but I don't think they can really predict what happened with him.

I don't disagree with the rest of what you say really, it's always something of a risk buying a young an inexperienced player. Especially at prices that can make the club look very stupid. However, with a player as young as Sanches we don't necessarily need an immediate return, it's okay if it doesn't click so quickly like it did with Martial. We can't expect teenagers to come in and play like worldbeaters like Martial has
 
I've watched him a fair few times, box to box, but not really sure that's what we need, more than anything, we need a DM that can control games/deep lying playmaker of some sort, and in Portugal, the best one in my opinion is at Porto, Ruben Neves, that's the one we should be looking at, in fact, I won't have any issues if we pay big for him right now.
 
legball said:
I've watched him a fair few times, box to box, but not really sure that's what we need, more than anything, we need a DM that can control games/deep lying playmaker of some sort, and in Portugal, the best one in my opinion is at Porto, Ruben Neves, that's the one we should be looking at, in fact, I won't have any issues if we pay big for him right now.
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We need both. We lack real pace in center midfield combined with strength.
 
TheCorkman said:
And it was well reported when me moved to Monaco from Lyon for 5 million as a 16 year old.
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Id love to have seen your posts on the day or days before we signed him. Because like someone else pointed out, no one thought he was worth the money we paid for him.

Then again, you might be a big follower of French football, so let me just end it here.
 
Throughout the close season no one mentioned Martial as a potential striker right until deadline day. Vietto, Berahino, Ings, Lacazatte, Dybala, Kane, Benteke were just a few of the strikers mentioned ahead of Martial in the summer.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
We need both. We lack real pace in center midfield combined with strength.
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I think we have both pace and strength, Schneiderlin did the box to box role at Southampton, but LVG has reduced him to a robotic DM. Anyway, we may need both "types" of players, I just think Sanches may take sometime to adapt, whereas I don't get that feeling with Neves.
 
Akash said:
Throughout the close season no one mentioned Martial as a potential striker right until deadline day. Vietto, Berahino, Ings, Lacazatte, Dybala, Kane, Benteke were just a few of the strikers mentioned ahead of Martial in the summer.
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Thats not exactly true. There was a thread a couple of days before the deadline day, as a potential target and striker we could go for. I remember it, i had the 2nd or 3rd post.
 
izec said:
Thats not exactly true. There was a thread a couple of days before the deadline day, as a potential target and striker we could go for. I remember it, i had the 2nd or 3rd post.
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OK so maybe one mentioned him but majority of the caf 'experts' weren't bringing him up at all. Turns out he's the best of the lot.

I've learned to ignore the idiots who try to write off players because they are not intelligent enough or are technically poor. That's nerd speak for 'I'm just making shit up to sound clever'.
 
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Classical Mechanic said:
Was it something to the effect of 'who?'
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Nah mate, i saw him against Valencia in the CL qualifiers, dont know what i said exactly. Think someone for the future and that i heard good things about him, but i didnt believe we were going to go for him at that time. For the record, i didnt lose my shit when we signed him like a lot of people on here.

Akash said:
OK so maybe one mentioned him but majority of the caf 'experts' weren't bringing him up at all. Turns out he's the best of the lot.

I've learned to ignore the idiots who try to write off players because they are not intelligent enough or are technically poor. That's nerd speak for 'I'm just asking shit up to sound clever'.
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:lol:

We cant influence it anyway. If the club spend a ton of money on him, so be it. I am always excited to see how they play, even better if i barely know them. I think here it is just a prediction stuff, to say later i told you so.
 
legball said:
I think we have both pace and strength, Schneiderlin did the box to box role at Southampton, but LVG has reduced him to a robotic DM. Anyway, we may need both "types" of players, I just think Sanches may take sometime to adapt, whereas I don't get that feeling with Neves.
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Schneiderlin is the only member of our. center midfield with power and pace. Adding Neves and Renato Sanches would not only add pace to our options, it would also help us replace Carrick and Schweinstieger in the long term. I also have zero qualms with an teenager taking his time to adopt. We have enough experience to cover for that.
 
If he's a Martial like talent, then I'm all for it. Is his agent Mendes by any chance?
 
He seems like one we have decided we must have at all costs. That in itself is encouragingto me. I'd rather we didn't wait for the other big boys to realise that Paul Pogba isn't going to join them and move onto our target.
 
This seems to be happening. Get this done nice and early.
 
I don't think there's a club in Europe with our record of rowing huge amounts of money at young players. We seem to be comfortable doing it. £45m for an 18 yo is ridiculous. So was €80m all in for a 19 yo.
 
Adisa said:
I don't think there's a club in Europe with our record of rowing huge amounts of money at young players. We seem to be comfortable doing it. £45m for an 18 yo is ridiculous. So was €80m all in for a 19 yo.
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We've always done it.

27m for 18 year old Rooney, 12m for 18 year old Ronaldo or 26m for Anderson (or whatever it was we paid for him)
 
This kid and Martial will win us our next league/cup's for many years to come.
 
I know nothing of him but from what I've read he seems to be the sort of player we need in our midfield.
 
Crazy money but after the Martial signing, I can't help but trust that our scouts know what they are doing.
 
All lies and garbage, we were linked with everyone in summer, yet both summers the Di Maria, and Martial deals people only knew when we signed them. Dont believe a word from media, thats what I`ve learnt, especially sports journalism, stealing a living of lies
 
Who are all the portuguese guys on here again that can say what he's like? @Arruda , forget who the sporting fan is. Not sure if there was a benfica supporter on here. But would good to hear what they say on him, as they would have definitely seen more of him.
 
roykeane19 said:
All lies and garbage, we were linked with everyone in summer, yet both summers the Di Maria, and Martial deals people only knew when we signed them. Dont believe a word from media, thats what I`ve learnt, especially sports journalism, stealing a living of lies
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Not true at all.
 
roykeane19 said:
All lies and garbage, we were linked with everyone in summer, yet both summers the Di Maria, and Martial deals people only knew when we signed them. Dont believe a word from media, thats what I`ve learnt, especially sports journalism, stealing a living of lies
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We were linked with Depay for ages
 
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