Apparently so. Think it was Sport Witness that translated a report on it.
Renato Sanches
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Apparently so. Think it was Sport Witness that translated a report on it.
They need a goalscorer, and badly! Not another midfielder
That's what always happens with Benfica players. Gonçalo Guedes was worth 30 million as well and now he's on the bench and can't get a game. Although Sanches looks a better player than Guedes, his hype is highly exagerated. I´d wait at least till he plays a full season. I also don't think he will leave this season or the next. He's a crucial player in their midfield and with only 18 years of age, it would be stupid for him to move to the Premier League. He hasn't proved himself yet on portuguese football and he needs the playing time (that isn't guaranteed at United) to evolve.
Could one be for him?
That report was probably written by someone who doesn't even know portuguese football. I´m just going to focus on one name, Eliseu. Colin, who would you nominate as the worst left back that ever player for United during your time as United supporter? He's probably better than Eliseu.
Benfica supporters hate Eliseu, his contract is going to end and Benfica isn't renewing. If he isn't good enough for Benfica why would United want him?
He can follow the philosophy.
Isn't Sanches based in Lisbon?
He plays for Benfica?
I doubt he can even read. Perhaps the best way of assimilating Van Gaal's philosophy is not understanding it at all.
Benfica's Lisbon, no?
Yeah it's in Lisbon. I'm just being optimistic
Its probably Messi flying in to sign for City. The departure destination is just to confuse things.
Stoke are signing someone from Porto, it is probably him. Stoke is only down the road from Manchester airport and the player will probably end up living in Cheshire.
Doesn't explain the Milan flight though.
Hopefully it's a group of heavies to drag Fellaini away.
Hopefully it's a group of heavies to drag Fellaini away.
He simply isnt good enough.
Though I'm now actually worried that Hectic, or someone similar, is behind the "poster" that I'm responding to. Got to be a piss take.
If not then I will say that the jury is still out on both the players that you have mentioned but, as with Herrera, you clearly like to make knee-jerk, definitive observations based on very little. Happily rule out a player, only to be 'delighted' or 'exhilerated' by them shortly after. The only difference is that I will always readily accept when I am wrong and not try to make up excuses. Or push some fabled 'success ratio' which only exists in the minds of you and your adolescent fan club.
Explain to me what makes Nani skillful in a way that Felipe Anderson is not? Stylistically they are very similar. Fair enough, Nani once won trophies with us and could well have the more successful career in the end. But that isn't what you keep trying to debate with me.
I provide entertainment whilst being spot on most of the times. I have no fan club, just sensible people like @Stack in this thread who have undoubtedly seen me being right more often than not. I provide no excuses when I am called out on one off turn of events that result in me being associated with trivial miscalculation and my assessment of players are oftentimes done securely and responsibly.
I am not trying to debate with you about anything, you're nudging imaginary e-elbows in the unwashed groins of the rest of the caf to show off how you're engaging me in a pretty meaningless discussion by intentionally seducing my attention with a nothing comment... no doubt you're sunny brown now basking in pride and self fulfilment after having shown you are on 'speaking' terms with me.
Nani is more skilful because: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/sadio-mane.410383/page-18#post-18615818
He simply doesnt have the technique or skill that we require. His touch in tight spaces can be quite poor but the biggest problem is his skill level. Im sure you fully understand the difference between technique and skill. If you do then you will know what i mean by his skill level being a problem.
At 18 he has bags of potential and room to improve. I'd prefer United to sign players like this who can grow rather that lustre after players they cant get like Neymar and Bale. We should be signing the next superstars like Martial and even Depay if he knuckles down. Sanches could be a world class midfielder in the future, and we cant sign any current fully fledged world class players while were in this state.
He will never ever be a world class midfielder, his technical level simply isnt good enough. How exactly are you measuring this potential? Compare his technical ability with our own Periera and it will become clear. Then compare his skill level and you will get an even clearer picture.
Roy Keane didn't have a great technical ability or skill level. Didn't stop him being an all time great here. I can agree to disagree on this kid.
I dont think you know what technical ability or skill level is nor are you able to see it and identify it if you think that.
Not that you'd make a sweeping assumption like that. What a ridiculous post.
That "Keane was poor technically" myth lives on to this day.
I´m not keen on the overhyping of Sanches but you can't possibily say that. And i've seen 90% of his games. I don't know if he has what it takes to make it at United (he's only 18 years of age and can keep evolving) but without a doubt he's a very interesting player with big potencial. I´ve yet to see Pereira do what Sanches did against Atlético Madrid for the Champions League for example.
Seems far to early to make that kind of assessment. I've watched him a couple of times and he was very tidy.
Don't know where to start with this post.
Im not saying he isnt a good player and that he wont have a decent career, what i am saying is that he will never be a world class midfielder and that he isnt at a level we need nor will he ever get to that level.
Technique is something that if a player doesnt have 90% nailed by the age of just 14 in todays football world then it becomes increasingly difficult as a player gets older to keep improving. Im talking about the fundamental basics of good technique that are a product of countless training drills and exercises. Once players get to senior level technique starts to show itself as being superb or average when having to perform under pressure, in tight spaces and at pace. The at pace bit isnt whilst sprinting etc, its the speed of footwork and body movements under pressure. To become world class players today need to have exceptional technique by the time they are in their mid teens then with time and experience their skill levels will increase and if all the bits come together they might become world class.
If a player doesnt have exceptional technique by the time they are 18 at the latest they have no chance of developing into a world class player. Sanches simply doesnt have the technique required to become world class and isnt at a level that we require, its clearly visible under pressure with how often he has a heavy touch under pressure but whats even more telling is how often his skill fails him under pressure. He frequently chooses the wrong technique at the wrong time in the wrong place. I say this relative to the level that Man Utd requires.
He is a very good young player and will have a decent career, he wont ever become world class and he wont ever be as good as Nani as a simple measure of what the level needs to be.
Take away the skill level part... that was directed at another post. Roy Keane was a very skillful player in his own right. But ill stick with the not the most technically gifted.
Yep, it's ridiculous. The reason Keane was so good, was because he married an indefatigable engine, will to win, and leadership, with incredible positioning, decision making, and passing ability. He wasn't the type of player to hit a 70 yard pass to feet, but there were few players around at that time who used the ball more accurately and effectively in the middle third than Keane did.
Thanks for the tutorial. I didn't mean early in terms of age.
I struggle to see how you could have come to a definitive conclusion about his technique when he's only played a small number of games. I've only seen him play a couple of times and thought his technique looked very good. You must have watched him play a lot more often than I have. Also Nani is a weird comparison since he's not a winger.
I wasnt comparing him to Nani in terms of position but in terms of technique as it was relative to what i was trying to explain.
Technique is able to be viewed and measured reasonably quickly, skill takes more time to assess. The possibility that he can become a world class midfielder is very very remote, the idea that he is what we need or that he has the potential to be what we need as far as i am concerned is a non starter. Bookmark this and get back to me in 10 years time. Happy to be proved wrong, in fact would love it if I am wrong.
Yep. It's a very lazy comparison, but I do see similarities between Keane and Busquets (although Busquets is technically superb). The way they do jobs which sees them underrated. Xavi and Iniesta got the plaudits (both excellent players of course) during that Barca side's zenith, but Busquets kept the ball ticking over nicely. That's similar to what Keane did, started moves from defence to attack. Scholes will be remembered as the better player, but they were massively different, so the comparison is moot. It'd be like comparing Busquets with Xavi.
Busquets might not be the best example -- he's not box-to-box like Keane was, but I'm struggling to think of another one.
The 'unwashed groin' of the Caf being prodded by my elbow. Sounds painful, probably not the expression you were looking for. But funny nonetheless. Out of either intrigue or pure boredom I checked out your post in the Sadio Mane thread and I'm still not sure where the difference lies between the trickery of Nani and that of Felipe Anderson. There's nothing in those videos that I've not seen similar from Anderson. If I could be bothered then I'd post videos from various stages of his career and the different examples of improvisation, it's all there for anyone to see.
Some of your posts regarding Mane himself were interesting too. Let's see if he has as good a career as Antonio Valencia. He was shite against us the other week.
Your ability to talk in absolute certainties about things which you seem to actually know very little about is pretty impressive
try showing which points I make are wrong and why, rather than being snide. If I am wrong then fine, just show me why I am wrong.
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