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There are eerie similarities. Lot of over hype based on youtube videos and a ridiculous price tag.Renato Sanches
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There are eerie similarities. Lot of over hype based on youtube videos and a ridiculous price tag.Sanchez videos aren't that impressive. The hype around Depay was something else though.
Renato Sanches: 18 years
Depay: 21 years last summer
The age is a factor to take into account.
I have never watched him so I can't express my views regarding Sanches. However, I understand he does the job in the ECL: interesting prospect who will be certainly overpriced.
Depay: 21 years last summer
The age is a factor to take into account.
I have never watched him so I can't express my views regarding Sanches. However, I understand he does the job in the ECL: interesting prospect who will be certainly overpriced.
This is harsh. Just because you don't rate him, like Harry Kane.
Schneiderlin's best football at Southampton came when he was playing in the box-to-box role. Dunno why Van Gaal gives him this deep lying anchor role.
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With France, Deschamps considers him as a #6.
He is generous but he has not the pace or the technical skills to be a pure #8 like Lampard, Gerrard, Davids.
I agree with this.For me Schneiderlin and Sanches are very similar players.Both are energetic, hardworking and good tacklers.Neither of them are exceptional passers.Sanches is not the player we need (especially for £50M)
Deschamps used him there but he isn't a#6 and pure #8s don't exist it's an hybrid role, so by nature there isn't two similar box to box.
Well i didn't say he's an exceptional box-to-box midfielder like those you mentioned but he's that kind of midfielder in my eyes. Actually he's pretty similar to Fletcher who was used as a box-to-box midfielder by Fergie. Both are very energetic with neat passing and tacklin ability.
If i had to guess why Deschamps uses him as #6 it's probably because you guys have Pogba and Matuidi for that #8 role.
In an interview, I heard SAF use the terms defensive and attacking box to box.
Hoping that these reports are as true as those of William Carvalho a couple of years back.
Not keen?
Spending a shitload of money for a young player from Portugal who has barely played? Did that ever worked for anyone?
Only one of the best players in the clubs history.
Fergie did love his defensive or offensive number 8's that's for sure.
Not sure why but something about this deal excited me. Maybe it's the Portugal/Ronaldo effect, maybe it's the hair, maybe it's FM16, I'm not sure. But I would like to see it happen, although there's a good chance we are getting robbed.
Bebe was good but it's hard to make the argument against older players like bobby charlton, different style of football and play styles
No, can't think of one occasion
I like the Ronaldo example, and that's why I'm more comfortable with spending big on Dembélé than spending big on Sanches, Sanches's game will rely a lot on tactical nous, positioning and his ability to totally adapt to the rhythm of an other league and the fact that his technique is good but not superior to other players of the same age pushes me to be really cautious.
Now, Dembélé is more in the ilk of Ronaldo, his technique, decision making, athleticism, determination are outstanding. He is also a big risk but I can see the uniqueness of Dembélé.
4 of those aren't available. No idea how good the other two are to be honest. Basically it's slim pickings.
The worrying part about this deal is the fee for me. Noone here seems to consider him a phenomenal worldie talent. Those are the ones to bag for big fees. We've been poor at bagging them over the last 5 years. Teams have build midfields with players like Vidal, Verratti, Thiago, Gundogan (seemingly to City) etc while we really werent thinking on our feet. Martial is one but if the likes of Dembele or Embolo are the next of that level we need to react faster. This kid better be in that category for the fees being mentioned. In general though, I'm not against a box to box midfield signing.
Like Adisa said, Dembele is a different type of fish. A big one! From what I've watched of all three this season, regardless of position. It's
Dembele
Bazoer
Sanches
In that order!
I'd rather we spend that money on Demeble and push TFM into the first team. Dembele can instantly improve the RW position unlike Sanches who might still take a year or two to even try to dislodge our current midfield options. The likes of TFM and Pereira should be handed midfield opportunities instead.
I have no idea about the two myself but if we're spending 30 million pounds plus on teengers, we better be getting the very best of the lot.
Sanches has been impressive in a better team playing at a higher level than Bazoer IMO. So it's arguable who the better player is.
Oliver Kay wrote in the Times in January that the club had shifted strategy towards buying the best young players even if they cost a lot of money. My guess is we will be seeing more signings like Martial and Shaw. And why we seem willing to massively overpay for Sanches.
It's strange how people ignore the strength of the Dutch league when talking about Bazoer. Even some using Depay as an example of why people shouldn't be drawn in by the hype of a young player playing in a weaker league while ignoring the fact that Depay absolutely destroyed the Dutch league last year and looked like he could do whatever he wanted. I'm a fan of Bazoer and think he has a big future but he was quite poor in most of Ajax's European games against better opposition so I don't really get why some are so keen to sign Bazoer and so against Sanches when Sanches has been doing it against better opposition and a year younger than Bazoer
Why call him an idiot? Poor post tbh.
In Portugal they believe 60M Euros could do it. 40M up front and then additional 20M in add ons.
That's not actually too bad. At a guess that would work out at a bit less than £35 million up front. In today's market that's not a whole lot. If the add ons were similar to those in the Martial deal it would be a case of us being more than happy to pay the €60 million as Sanches will have developed into a world class player if they came into play.
Thing about this transfer is: central midfield isn't a position to 'learn on the job' at a top club. Attackers - fine, wingers even moreso. They make their mistakes and generally don't get punished. You can stick an 18 year old Ronnie out wide and let him do what he wants, safe in the knowledge that you're still 60 yards and 7 odd players from your own goal.
But gambling on an 18-year old as a central midfielder? Seems crazy to me. Especially one with only 6 months experience in a first team. And even moreso at the prices being mentioned here.
For United to succeed not just next season but in the next 3, you'd ideally want someone in their peak now. Who has made mistakes, who understands the game and who has ability that is proven. Especially in central midfield. If we want success in the short term, we shouldn't be making our top midfield signing an unproven kid, no matter the 'potential'.
And United need success in the short term, very, very badly if we want to stay at the top table of world football. 3 years with no trophies is a long time. 2 seasons outside the CL is shambolic. We need players that can come in next season and immediately contribute. It might be less exciting, but it's what we need right now.
But gambling on an 18-year old as a central midfielder? Seems crazy to me. Especially one with only 6 months experience in a first team. And even moreso at the prices being mentioned here.
For United to succeed not just next season but in the next 3, you'd ideally want someone in their peak now. Who has made mistakes, who understands the game and who has ability that is proven. Especially in central midfield. If we want success in the short term, we shouldn't be making our top midfield signing an unproven kid, no matter the 'potential'.
And United need success in the short term, very, very badly if we want to stay at the top table of world football. 3 years with no trophies is a long time. 2 seasons outside the CL is shambolic. We need players that can come in next season and immediately contribute. It might be less exciting, but it's what we need right now.
Him and Dembele and id cum a lake
But there's a risk we find ourselves with another Depay.
3 of them sure, but Xhaka, Pjanic are definitely available while Gundogan has never really committed to staying to Dortmund long term. There's a lot others too, that's just a handful that I listed regarding the type we need. But with respect to how good they are, Xhaka is a very good player and would be a perfect Carrick replacement, while being a more deep lying player, while Pjanic is more advanced and very similar to Rakitic in both quality and style...Not as good defensively but arguably the best in the world in terms of free kicks over the last few years.
Yeah, i hope the club knows what they are doing. I hope he turns out to be a Martial, and not a Memphis. I know basically nothing about him, except for the huge hype in Portugal too.
Pjanic wants Barcelona or Madrid, doesnt he?
Every player wants those clubs, but both Madrid and Barca have better players starting for them while similar quality as depth. Kovacic, Modric, Kroos for Madrid, and all the players Barca has... They won't need him. Read Bayern were looking for him, but he is very similar to Thiago while being too good for the bench, so again, no point in it really. PSG is the one side who I can see getting him who have been linked with him, they tried getting him before, but then again they have Rabiot and Verratti as young, play maker types with huge potential. In terms of premier league, not sure who has been linked with him. Think Chelsea have, but they have Fabregas so not much of a point in it. Most of the biggest clubs have very similar players already , we're one of the few that don't.
thers a risk with every transfer. I think the club think it's easier to attract young talent form the top shelf than established players. The last three years have proven it's such a difficult task to land world class established players.
The Depay transfer is funny. I personally never wanted him here. NLMax had people on this forum believing Memphis was a player he simply isn't.
I am comfortable with the distinction you make between offensive and defensive box-to-box midfielders.
Agreed. Sure, everyone has his personal understanding of the concept of box-to-box player.
Hard to know if Schneiderlin will be better as a #8 or #6 with LVG because we used to play with Mata as a "support striker".
I'm all for it buddy! I quite like that structure and breakdown.
I see what you say but I submit to you that the Dutch league is more similar to the PL in that anyone can beat anyone unlike the Portuguese league where Porto, Benfica, Sporting and may be Braga are the bully boys. The Dutch league is more competitive than we think. Bazoer has been a mainstay player for a while and a very key player in Ajax. He has been given a lot of responsibilities to drive the team forward from the midfield and he has shown that he can operate admirably as a #6,8,10 if needed. Bazoer is also a big unit and there is a lot of Viera and Yaya about him.
I don't understand why every thread about a good player becomes a personal affront to a few people who prefer a different player. You might be right, they might be better but that doesn't mean you need to get angry we're linked to the other guy.
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