Andreas Pereira
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Andreas Pereira
He'll be good at Milan. We don't need him at all here except for the bench, something he won't agree.
He's no better than Pogba or Herrera to displace one of them in the starting line-up.
He's no better than Pogba or Herrera to displace one of them in the starting line-up.
Hes no better than Pereira either
I'll prefer Pereire to him, too. No need to waste time on unneeded player.
Unneeded my foot. People forget our second choice midfield is a 36 year old Carrick, Fellaini and the unknown qualities of Pereira.
If you think he'll leave Bayern's bench to be eager to sit on our bench then you're daydreaming.
If we want to sign a player in midfield then we should sign a player who will be happy to be a backup, not a player wants to be a starter.
Sanchez definitely wants to be a starter otherwise he wouldn't have wanted to leave Bayern. We don't need him then.
It's not like we can sign any quality player and sit him on the bench because of squad depth.
Sanches qualities are more unknown than Pereira, we need someone who can replace Carrick I agree, Sanches isn't that player. Plus he doesn't want to be a bench player like has been said, its the season he is leaving Bayern or wants to
Remember when this kid was boasting about 'rejecting' us? Well, that went well.
That's bullshit. Sanchez has operated at the highest level whilst Pereira's only claim to that is playing for Granada. My point is we have room for other midfielders to beef up our midfield depth. Any Carrick replacement we'll buy will be a starter. That is why the notion a capable player like him isnt needed is plain laughable. Its more pertinent to accept we just happen to not be interested in him.
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6 starts for Bayern can hardly be counted as the highest level. And even then he failed, miserably - so much so they are getting rid of him after 1 season. Periera is more talented and his skill set more useful to us. If we are going to spent 35mil on another midfielder he better actually be proven or a genuine star in the making, neither of which are claims to be made for Sanches.
Anyone who has watched both can see Sanches actual football qualities (not physical) are more of an unknown than Pereiras. The guy struggles to make 5 yard passes regularly, no doubt he has some talents but he is in no way more talented than Pereira, you only have to watch both of them to see that.
Carrick replacement will be a starter... ok? What difference does that make?
Pereira will fill the CM squad role so will Carrick.
I acknowledged maybe Sanches can replace Fellaini, but then the guy doesn't want to come and sit on the bench, so whats the point. No way should he be anywhere near our starting 11.
Not to mention there are actually plenty of CMs around even young ones that have displayed much more quality and for much longer than Sanches so if we want another CM then we should be looking at one of them not Sanches until he displayed ability to add something to our side.
Talkof irrelevancy.....He played for Benfica in the champions league. He also won the league with them and went on to contribute to his nations Euro win. That counts as operating at the highest levek too. Not just his bayern stint. It matters little if you imagine Pereira is the more talented player. He simply isn't more proven nor more of a known quality than Sanches.
I don't care about any of your logic, I want him.
He played about half a season at Benfica of senior football. He is an unknown quantity.
Honestly I haven't heard an argument much dumber than this. Anyone who seriously imagines Bayern paid 30 + m last season and Milan now are willing to pay a similar fee for a player who 'struggles to make 5 yard passes regularly' plain needs their head examined. Judging Sanches by his struggles at Bayern yet he produced enough in a season at Benfica to have the biggest clubs in Europe chasing after him is a bad joke.
Seriously? You are unable to fathom the different that makes? I.hope you were kidding....
This line of argument I believe is why you are missing my point
The fact Carrick is 36, Pereira is unproven and the other option is Fellaini is precisely why there is room for another player with talent, young or experienced, to add to the depth in the department. Especially one proven at a higher level than reserve football like a McTominay. That is why claiming a Sanches is unneeded is bullshit. United most definitely need another back up midfielder. We are not interested in the la, am not even suggesting we should buy him but he definitely isn't in the category of player we wouldn't need if we did go after him.
Actually what he doesn't want is to move to a club and get zero chances like he got under Ancelotti. At a club like ours and Milan he'd get a proper chance as a squad player, just like Fellaini and Pereira will this year. Even at Milan he has no chance of being a starter currently. But he'll certainly get a chance to play.
He can provide depth at Bayern. He needs to go somewhere where he can get consistent starts.
Not Sanches biggest fan (not european top club material imo atm) but he's certainly more proven than Pereira. I mean he was one of Benfica's driving force in their league win, had a very good Champions league stint with good games against Bayern and was impressive in our Euro win with a goal against Poland in the Quarters and being a starter in the final against France. What has Pereira done to be more proven than him?
Who said proven? I said his qualities are more known.
I.E its much easier to see what Pereira can add technically than Sanches.
Yeah, i bet his qualities will give him a chance in his next loan to Getafe. Meanwhile Sanches will probably join Milan.
you make that joke, but I am actually pretty confident Pereira will make it to a very high level even if its not at United. You don't need to play for a top side for your quality to be seen, and his was seen at Granada
Perhaps, who knows. It's difficult to predict the future but i'll give it a go. He will play as much at United as Sanches did at Bayern.
6 starts? Hmm I'll go for more. I actually think just like Herrera his qualities will shine through over the dross we have
You will probably sign another midfielder. Don't get me wrong, i'd love for him to be success but with Mourinho and his ideas, i doubt he will get more than a couple of starts in the league cup.
Hes not a DM so yes we need one of those, we struggled a lot last season because Pogba and Herrera couldn't get a break without the massive quality drop in the midfield. Pereira is the perfect fold for Pogba and also Herrera. Mourinho is a problem yes, but Rashford got games and I just feel like Pereiras obvious quality is too much for even Jose to ignore. Lets see though, I actually have a feeling he could be a bit of a wildcard for us this season.
For instance even in attacking roles he has more quality than Lingard for instance.
Anyway lets see, I think you may get a bit of a surprise tbh.
Playing three central midfielders that would make Carrick the other starter with Pogba and Herrera I take it? Cant rely on Carrick for the whole season, Fellaini as the squad option isnt a good thing and I really like Perreira and hope he steps up but it is yet to be seen. I also think TFM is another squad option.
Have already stated several times what I think of Sanches so wont do that again. Milan is possibly the ideal move for him though. A big club in transition where I expect he will start alongside Kessie, they are buildign a pretty good side with there dealings. Would be good to see the Italian league grow again rather than just being Juventus and I have to say there are quite a few deals in and out Premiership sides should have got involved in....Bonucci, Kessie, Sanches, Under, Paredes, Costa, Benatia, Gonalons stand out already
I haven't seen enough of him but i'll take your word. Let's see how he does. Having a good pre-season is the way to go
Agreed. He's probably our best crosser of a ball and one of the best set-piece takers in the squad as well and that will be invaluable in the way we are looking to play a bit more direct with Lukaku.
I can't see Pereira with his ability not getting siginificant squad player time like the likes if Mata, Lingard and Fellaini
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Pereira has been here for 7 years, so no, not an unknown quality in comparison, and his game time in La Liga shows he can compete against the best too.
Sanches is a very overhyped player. Best if he moves on loan and gets regular games. I think it was too much too soon for him. Plus, we need another type of midfielder imo
At the highest level he is unknown compared to a Renato Sanches. As much as he played well for Granada, its a world behind playing for Befica. Which is all just a side issue to my initial point. If we have room to need Pereira in our squad, we have no business claiming we have no need of a Renato Sanches.
They are entirely different players. The need for Periera is based on his ability to cover several positions and use the ball as good as anyone. Sanches is a blood and thunder box to box type.
Or we can use the money for proper use instead of dumping one of our best prospect.
He's gash.
Who has talked of dumping Pereira?
and we absolutely have room for both. We need more depth in our midfield. A player like Renato Sanches would never be out of place in that quest is all I'm saying. Any claim of 'we don't need him/have zero use for him' is as fallacious as the claims that were made about James Rodriguez on here.
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I thought you did when you said "If we have room to need Pereira in our squad, we have no business claiming we have no need of a Renato Sanches."
While we don't desperately need him, I think we'd seriously be missing out if he went elsewhere.
We need a DM, then a wide forward/winger. Then we can look at how to improve the quality throughout the squad as a whole. Carrick/Young/Valencia have 1 good season, Valencia maybe 2 so now is the time to look at alternative options for the squad.
Sanches is a he talent, he wont be a starter for now, but he improves our squad. He is better than Fellaini and possibly Pereira, plus competition is vital for key areas such as midfield.
I would be in favour of signing him up, but not over a DM, in addition too.
Jose seems hell bent on playing Fellaini, so it mist likely won't happen anyway
We need a DM, then a wide forward/winger. Then we can look at how to improve the quality throughout the squad as a whole. Carrick/Young/Valencia have 1 good season, Valencia maybe 2 so now is the time to look at alternative options for the squad.
Sanches is a he talent, he wont be a starter for now, but he improves our squad. He is better than Fellaini and possibly Pereira, plus competition is vital for key areas such as midfield.
I would be in favour of signing him up, but not over a DM, in addition too.
Jose seems hell bent on playing Fellaini, so it mist likely won't happen anyway
How is Sanches better than Fellaini? I've seen nothing from him that suggests he would be a better option than Morouane. A player who was instrumental in our Europa League and FA Cup wins.
Sanches can't even get a game for Bayern or even the Portugal U21s and this was after he snubbed us remember. You reap what you sow.
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