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Renato Sanches | Loaned to Swansea
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Bayern have apparently said the would offload him for 23mil
Id take a chance with him. Prem would suit him
Thing is Pereira can play as wing play maker & Fabinho can play RB (rumor he wants to play there more. Valencia got rested much more than usual at latter stage of past season indicate a sign that the coaching team may see he needs a rotation option), Carrick would see less & less game time consider Fabinho if transfer rumor is true is to more serious about taking that position. Fellaini got that much gametime as I pointed out during the season often coincided we lack aerial prowess in the back (often coincided with Smalling being out of the starting line up). Now Lindelof will offer better aeriel ability to Blind, while still maintain a good ball playing ability, he should not get much game time than here & there as tactical sub.
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Agree, much prefer Goretzka over Sanches. However he is unlikely to be cheap, but Bayern might just let Sanches go at a slight loss if we're determined enough.
We don't need another Ando
We don't need another Failed Hope.
All we want is what's beyond them, that's Fabinho.
He needs to go to a club where he starts regularly. He would not start for us right now.
As much as I like him, that bit is true. He does need proper gametime, won't get that OT
Don't think he needs to start, just adequate gametime in the whole season in position that suit him. He does lack ball carrier through the central area of the pitch. Beside Pogba we lack that. Micki did it from time to time but lack consistency which due to his lack of physicality. Lingard is too hot & cold. Games when Pogba didn't play, there appears to be a gap between our midfield & the front line. Prime example were Everton & West Brom where Carrick & Fellaini can't be said as having a bad game, but pretty much ineffective offensive since Carrick just prefers to drop deep & went long with his passing with no decent ball carrier option. Herrera long passing is not consistent enough. He prefers quick interchange & recycling possession while advancing up the pitch. Fellaini being Fellaini.
Pogba can't play all game so we need that ball carrier.
Pogba can't play all game so we need that ball carrier.
I agree but he needs to be coached and if Jose wants him then he should come and he'll sure get more game time than he is getting at Bayern. Plus the cover we have for Herrera and Pogba is not good at all. He sure can bully players by his physique. Am not sure about his technique though
Pereira won't be influential from the wings, and probably he won't be playing much there(also have doubts if he is in jose's plan altogether) because we will be signing a winger.
If at all we sign fabinho, i could see the trio of him, ander and paul to be the first choice and fellaini will only be considered for appropriate opponent. Jose trusts fellaini to do a job and i won't be surprised to see him get enough games in the upcoming season. That leaves carrick and andreas. We would be having depth but with carrick's last season (probably) and fellaini being so limited, i would want us to keep tracking sanches's situation. We can't miss out on a bargain price which could be something near 30m.
EDIT: Re fabinho, he played a full season in midfield and haven't heard about his preference for RB position.
Watching his Bayern highlights was a revelation.
He is the Raheem Sterling of central midfielders: thrown onto the plate before properly cooked. He is missing a lot of fundamentals. A lot.
He is the Raheem Sterling of central midfielders: thrown onto the plate before properly cooked. He is missing a lot of fundamentals. A lot.
Wide play maker is different than a out out winger. Pereira did play more like this during his loan spell last season. As per Fellaini point, I repeat that Fellaini got more game time when the team lack aerial ability. If Lindelof beds in well, then Fellaini would be limited to only when we need that extra height up front because: 1. Fabinho would add that defensive work, so no need for Fellaini. 2.Renato if being brought in, can add that aggressiveness & physicality while having more to offer in counter attacking than Fellaini
I'll take him for 20m.
Very accurate actually.
Can't see Bayern allowing him to move for £23M. They'll likely loan him out in the hope he'll find some form so he can either return to them or sell him for closer to the fee they paid for him.
Not many clubs want to do that for them. Those desperate to loan him in while guarantee game time may be the bottom feeder which Sanches may not fancy. Loan a now first team player is not easy as academy players. The first team players have their own interest to look after. Hint their big bad agent pulling string behind. Bayern is in weak position to demand a fee close to what they paid (high fee). I don't believe 23m fee being spouted out by the paper though, especially for Bayern who is good at keeping thing running quiet/ the media pays less attention to them overall.
Going to a side like Lyon (to try and replace the gap created by Tolisso), or Nice to replace Seri would be a good move for him. Even Benfica would take him back on a loan and that wouldn't be bottom feeder clubs.
Agreed, he is several years of development away from being ready to play in a top team regularly. He may never get there.
This thread weirdly keeps getting pushed despite there being no recent links to United at all.
That's the Caf's sweet spot!
Well said.
No real need for Sanches here now. If anything, he'd be a luxury purchase/reclamation project but United don't have time for that with the position we're in and other positional priorities at hand. And even on the off chance Sanches was bought, only way is if Bayern essentially gave him up. Expecting us to buy him for anything other than dirt cheap (the value he's actually worth atm) is just stupid lol.
And plus like you say, we have Pereira who is just waiting to be given the chance and just as good/probably better. Sanches is overhyped and screwed up his oppurtunity. Pereira hasn't.
Of course, can't wait for Sanches to take his Granada oppurtunity… He already has won stuff, you know? Pereira will be lucky to stay on United's squad after the summer.
Thing is the fourth party aka his agent may not support that idea. Let try to think in his agent's position. Sanches was a high profile young player. He might fail at Bayern but the attraction for him should still be built around him remain as top talent & went to a right top club to fulfill his potential. There is a lot to gain for agent than accepting he lack basic & has to work his way up again like regular youngster through a loan. I meant that his agent may prefer a permanent deal out of Bayern to those same clubs you listed with escape clause than a loan. Why? If the loan is success, he's back to Bayern which he may fail to settle & impress again = he is tagged as big fish in small pond player. If the loan is a failure, they lost their investment.
And the loan system always poses a problem with the clubs may not see long term future with the loannee, thus doesn't fully entrust the loannee. For example Benfica would like him to stay at Bayern to rake up appearance to trigger those bonus. What is the point with doing customer service for a year? Benfica would prefer to stuff their shelves with new merchandise for next sale event. They're well run club in Portugal to stay competitive without Sanches. Similarly, Lyon is a selling club. If they want to challenge with Monaco & PSG, they will have to spend big than just loan this Sanches lad for a season. Nice maybe but that belongs to the above paragraph regarding agent protecting their own interest.
Lol the classic 'he won x,y,z'. He won alright, he won as a passenger. Hundreds of players have done that over the years. Doesn't make them quality. They're just lucky/fortunate to be part of the team.
...the fact that getting Sanches would be unnecessary and create nothing but a long jam at midfield is a no-go itself. Let alone taking the risk of bringing him on and at any considerable cost. Sorry to burst your bubble but he's not coming unless he's available for £20M lol and even then you'd have to think about if it's worthwhile..
So what people are saying is that we bring in a player who had shown nothing more than 6 months of relatively good football followed by an atrocious 12 months, into a club that is under more pressure than his two previous ones, on the premise and hope that he can replicate form that was overrated in a weaker league in a more demanding league?
The same club where after Martial had a brilliant first season, where he performed above everyone's expectations, and came short of the crazy high bar he set for himself in the second season, and people don't mind if he leaves.
If you really love the boy and rate him that highly, let him go somewhere else and show that his first senior season wasn't a fluke. United is not a research facility.
The same club where after Martial had a brilliant first season, where he performed above everyone's expectations, and came short of the crazy high bar he set for himself in the second season, and people don't mind if he leaves.
If you really love the boy and rate him that highly, let him go somewhere else and show that his first senior season wasn't a fluke. United is not a research facility.
Get your s… together, you know nothing about his participation in the league Benfica won, where he was absolutely decisive, not to mention part on the Euro win after. Just read what other Portuguese posters wrote here about him then. The fact he's apparently crap right now doesn't erase what he achieved already, which is much more than Pereira.
That is a fair point. He is at a very good level in my opinion for 18years old and very experienced for that age....BUT he does need a lot of developing. Somebody also said he is missing fundamentals and I agree with that as well.
But he is just 18 so of course he will need developing, whether he can be a world class player is a matter of opinion until time passes. Personally I think his energy and footballing brain is already good enough to go to a top side, he just wasnt ready to compete in a side like Bayern who are competing for everything and stacked with quality central midfielders already. The thing is we ARENT competing for everything at the moment, we finished 6th in the league and sneaked into the champions league and our midfield is actually really bare at the moment, think we would be the ideal move for him and he would get game time. The biggest problem he has at the moment in my opinion is he has been overhyped and moved too big too soon, looks like he has struggled to adapt and his confidence is absolutely shot, you can see it in his body language.
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Surely, if Jose was after him we'd be all over this deal
Why should Jose be after him? We want a DM, like Matic or Dier, not a CM. This ship sailed
Does he play in Carrick's postion? If not why would we be all over it?
He had his chance
I've not witnessed much of him play, but as far as i've seen he's a defensive minded player, I may be wrong, but that is what I thought?
And even if we are in for a DM, why is it not possible to ascertain a squad CM player aswell, especially as a loan option.
He isn't a defensive midfielder at all.
He is a box to box player, not disciplined enough o play as a DM. He would challenge Herrera/Pogba.
We already have Fellaini and Pereira as CM squad options, plus need to spend money on other positions/players. He isnt a priority at all and he also maybe wants to be a starter at another good club after failing to play for Bayern.
Do English clubs get involved with this sort of deal very often?
Before it was seen how good Herrera is as an aggressive box to box harrier who can also pass well Sanches would have been ideal as that's exactly what he is but with Pogba, Fellaini, Pereira, Blind and Fosu-Mensah on top of Herrera we're not in need of anyone other than an alternative to Carrick which Sanches most certainly is not.
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No not often, but it's a transfer type which has happened in recent times. By the very same Manager.
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