I can tell. Everyone is. To a degree they have it easy. You have to credit them for being a contender in Europe year on year but it is disappointing that 3 years in a row they have been eliminated by Spanish sides and 3 years in a row a Spanish side are kings of europe, not almighty Bayern.
Renato Sanches joins Bayern
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
I respectfully defer my right to regret this for a later date.
Doesn't sound like us to hesitate
Sounds like we were very interested,but when we missed out we then claimed to have looked elsewhere.
It's like the Ramos saga. Once it was apparent he was signing a new contract,we suddenly briefed that we were looking elsewhere(Then didn't sign any defender)
From what was reported in Portugal, United was given the choice by Benfica and Mendes to cover Bayern's proposal till this monday and United didn't respond. I genuinely think that United's interest wasn't as strong as the media reported. At least for that price.
I think the price was the sticking point
If what the article says is true then it's worrying that van gaal didn't really want him, maybe he will be here next season afterall if he's planning the squad.
I would think sanches would be a mourinho type player too so maybe we aren't getting mourinho.
I would think sanches would be a mourinho type player too so maybe we aren't getting mourinho.
An 18 year old with very little experience?
He wanted to bring him to Chelsea and has signed youngsters at his previous clubs. Wouldn't have been the first one.
Really?
Anyway I don't think he signs a youngster to play CM, other positions maybe but the spine CM CB ST I think he will sign established players.
Like Varane?
They warmed the bench, Im talking of starters
Benched
I've not seen him play but if reports are true of his play style then he's a perfect mourinho type midfielder.
I'm almost certain we'd have him here if mourinho was here right now.
Utilised, developed, started ahead of Pepe by the end.
What point are you trying to make exactly anyway? Mourinho bought Varane because Varane wasn't a Mourinho-type player?
So are many other more experienced players which wouldnt cost 80m euros
No point is Mourihno wouldn't sign an 18yr who has played 6 months of football to solve United midfield problems. Especially not for the money being asked as well IMO
If we already had a good midfield then ok yes, but not when he is going to need a starter
He's not the manager as it stands. Had the club signed him then appoint Mourinho then why wouldn't he use him?
If a player is an improvement on what you have then you'd use him.
I thought he was a starter for Mourinho?
He wasn't benched, he played a lot.
Extraordinary amount of money. Good if we hesitated because we weren't convinced.
Was Morata another at Madrid?
It's a lazy assumption about Mourinho that he doesn't like youth players. He obviously has high standards and you need to meet those to be involved.
At top aides it's hard to break through when things are going well - which for Mourinho it usually is. That's just the way it is.
What does the deal falling through mean for united and mourinho deal given they have the same agent? From the sky article, united hesitated and mendes moved him on. You'd think if a mourinho deal was agreed they'd have been able to negotiate to wait a bit longer - not like the timing is under any pressure
It isn't a lazy assumption. Some managers like to give youth team players a chance and some dont. Mourinho is in the don't camp based on years and years of evidence. Signing the best young CB in the world and playing him sometimes isn't proof that he's going to continue united's youth policy. Exceptions to every rule. But saying something based on years and years of evidence is any kind of assumption is mad. A big mandate of his going back to chelsea was to make something out of their remarkable youth team, and he failed in the extreme.
Mourinho brings lots of good things, but to try to include youth policy in there is going to meet a lot of resistance. Reality is we are getting the best managers in the world at winning things - and sacrificing youth and attacking football to do so. If you think otherwise you're likely going to be disappointed in coming months
We also had a coach, who scouted Thomas Muller, who said he wasn't technically good.
Nothing surprises me with this club post Fergie
Nothing surprises me with this club post Fergie
Probably means nothing in relation to mourinho. In the article, it's clearly stated benfica wanted to do the deal as soon as possible (before euro squad announcement) and we weren't interested in how the valuation was shaping up most likely. Bayern agreed to paying the exorbitant fees and done. Time will tell if it's the right decision.
People realise Mendes doesn't own the players he represents right?
That wasnt the question I was asked
9 league apperances in his first season. In the context I was speaking of as in signing a starter it doesnt count does it
Wanting experience in a side is not the same as not wanting to develop talent in my opinion.
Yes - some managers may be more willing to do it but it is often born of not having a choice it needing to change something when it's not working.
If the players coming through the youth team weren't good enough, what was he to do? His job is not to develop young players - that's why academies exist and people are paid handsomely to do the job.
His job was to go to Chelsea and win trophies - which he did, twice.
Looking at his first spell at Chelsea, how many of the young players who Arnesen brought to Chelsea made the grade at the top level? I can't think of any.
This time around a few have had games under Hiddink but there has not been wholesale change. Are they good enough? Maybe they will be but Hiddink obviously thinks he should persist with the experienced players too.
I'm not suggesting Mourinho is going to put his faith in youth, but the evidence suggests that if you're good enough then he'll give you a chance. I prefer that to a romantic notion that out club has to be giving young players a game just because they're youth products.
Fair enough.
yes that makes sense
What do you mean?
If Renato wanted to go to united or bayern you are saying that, because mendes doesn't own the human, he can't influence him to wait a few weeks before deciding?
then support a club that doesn't have this as one of its policies?
I don't have any doubt that at United he will give youth a chance. I have said this time and time again but look 2 of the clubs he has been at. Chelsea and Real Madrid have two of the most trigger happy people in charge in football. You have to perform and your out, no wonder under those circumstance he opts to favour experience over youth. At Manchester United, everyone talks about our 'DNA' containing bringing youth through the system so he will no doubt be afforded more time.
Why only consider the first season ? Plus he was 18, you cannot consider that as being benched can you ?
I'll support who I want thanks.
Fergie had a fantastic crop of players in the Class of '92 that achieved superb things and will (sadly) be unlikely to ever be repeated. After that players got a game if and where they were required. Most - in fact nearly all were squad players, up to and including Danny Welbeck who was shunted wide to make way for RV with little hesitation because it was the right thing to do for the team. O'Shea, Brown, Cleverley - all good solid pro's who had some success and deserved every bit of it - but they all sat on the bench when we had better and in the end were moved on.
Seems evident to me the team and it's success on the pitch came before anything else.
Do I like to see young lads from the academy do well? Of course I do - what fan doesn't? To produce players of our own with a love for the club is the evident ideal. But frankly, the attitude that some fans have that we have some obligation to give kids a chance is nonsense.
My opinion - if you're good enough to get into the side then well done. The measure of a United player should be quality, not genealogy.