for 80m damn right. i'd pay 80m for the world's best at 22-24 and get 8 years out of them. Don't forget how good Anderson looked at 18! still, dissapointed we've missed out but for the money Bayern paid it might come back to haunt them, or reward them, like Martial might do to us
Renato Sanches joins Bayern
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) get the depressing job of reviewing United's 3-0 loss at Old Trafford to Liverpool. They discuss what went wrong, Casemiro's day to forget, and the pressure now on Erik Ten Hag. They also take some time to give McTominay a proper farewell, and give their overall thoughts on the Summer Transfer Window.
So magnificently run that academies players are better off carving a career elsewhere? Bayern Munchen enjoy benefits/advantages that few other clubs in major leagues can enjoy. Look at some of their supervisory board members and stock holders. Audi Chairman, Volkswagen Chairman, Adidas CEO, Deutch Telekom chairman, Unicredit Bank chairman. They are the club of Germany. Wouldn't it be strange if Man Utd's board had Barclays chairman, Richard Branson, Sir Michael Derek Vaughan Rake of BT, David Cameron and had stock owned by companies like these? imagine this happening in the 90's or this era whilst there were no sugar daddy clubs. We'd probably be THE club of England and have many benefits that few could enjoy in other major leagues
Real Madrid have reached more champions league finals recently so why aren't they so magnificently run according to some on here? they are seen as a joke of a club
Football these days, fecking hell. Little more than half a season playing for the club that brought him up, which isn't exactly small time. What's the point of being a supporter, we support brands these days, nothing personalized about it.
Hating it more and more each day. It pains me when it's my bitterest of rivals, let alone everyone else.
Hating it more and more each day. It pains me when it's my bitterest of rivals, let alone everyone else.
That fool LVG didnt want hm
http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-un...toed-man-united-target-renato-sanches-reports
http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-un...toed-man-united-target-renato-sanches-reports
Didn't fancy her anyway, she's probably a lesbian. We seem to veto an awful lot of transfers but it only emerges once they've gone elsewhere, weird we kept scouting Benfica so intensely.
He isn't the only player interesting at Benfica, Lindelof and Salvio both fit our needs.
35+45=80+20=100
We need details from football leaks
Ridiculous fee. Happy that for one it wasn't us that overpaid massively.
Wow Munich have done business nice and early. (Remember when SAF and Gill done that )
)Then we are in trouble, because would you trust LvG chosing a goalkeeper? Because I sure as hell wouldn't.
Just realised I am a doom-monger.
Sadly it's hard to be anything else at the moment, especially after tonight.
Aye you are right mate. But Navas will put up a MoM performance in the Champions League final and Real Madrid will give up on him for United benefit
Indeed. He's one of two top class performers we have.
Apparently first Portuguese player to play for Bayern
Please don't patronise me.
The issue here is not losing a player to another European side - it's what that represents, namely the persistent failures of the club to get the targets they want and most importantly the failure to be able to act decisively - something which is repeatedly evident in how the club is being run from a footballing Perspective, from player transfers to persisting with Van Gaal.
If you think what United have been is "efficient" in their transfer dealings then that's fine. To me that's so far from true it's laughable.
Far from believing everything I read in the press I believe what I see in front of me...
Giving the job to Van Gaal who arrived so late post World Cup they ended up with a few mediocre players in Blind and Rojo and a desperation signing in Di Maria who the manager seemingly had no plan for and who didn't even want to be here.
They spent most of last summer clearing out players who were not sufficiently replaced and flirting with Sergio Ramos in some bizzare "you take one of ours and and we'll target one of yours" power struggle with Real - and still almost selling De Gea anyway.
This summer, so far, we've got a half wit of a manager for another year who's going to put players off with his dreadful style of play - and the fact that he's gone in 12 months at best means everything is again up in the air - not an ideal time to sign for a new club on a 5 year contract. Meanwhile Ed and his cronies will be dreaming about Neymar, Bale, Pele and Beckenbaur or other fantasy targets and getting no big deals done other than another noodle sponsor in the Far East.
As it stands we've got a squad of average second choice players barring a couple of genuine class performers and a couple of very good kids. Not an "efficient" way to utilise £200 plus million in my book.
You can keep up your "it's all fine" positive spin on the current regime and its your prerogative, but I don't buy it. Things are a disaster and without serious change this club will be left behind.
Gutted we've missed out on him but can't help but wonder whether it's because of the add ons make it a hugely expensive deal.
I don't understand why people worry about money and add ons so much. It isn't our money, why does it matter? Also, ultimately inflation is inevitable. Clubs have more money, Football is attracting more fans and getting more money so naturally players are going to be worth more.
Oh, they're many things but not a joke. If you can run a club on a criminal deficit like that for decades without any country or football organisation so much as voice conern over the practices, you're a fecking genius.
It really doesn't need more than a few good key decisions and one season to turn things around dramatically. I agree with you that your situation looks more grim than usual (without actually being a big problem, tbh), but it doesn't hurt to keep spirits up. Not a popular opinion on forums usually, I admit.
To be quite fair, they weren't exactly amazing in that respect, 2007 aside.Wow Munich have done business nice and early. (Remember when SAF and Gill done that
No I remember everyone bitching about them waiting too longWow Munich have done business nice and early. (Remember when SAF and Gill done that
Where do you think clubs get their money? Do you think they would be able to function without the support of the fans? I mean clearly you don't.
It's not our money sure, but kind of it is. Yeah, some clubs get the sugar daddy hook-up and that goes a ways, but in the end without the supporters, the clubs are nothing, so I find it reasonable when the supporters question the financial decisions the clubs make, and the most obvious one that most people are interested in are transfer fees and wages.
You've a fair point, but United are projected to be the richest club in the world within the next few years. Money does not seem to be a problem at all. I can understand that there is finite amount we can spend but we won't go near that.
Considering what we have to do, we still have to be wise about it. It's not like we need just one player.
It's amazing how everyone just assumes we will pay all of the 45 million € in additions till 2021
Do you need that to make you feel better?
One condition is known to be the Ballon d'Or, others do most likely include CL finals apperances and stuff. So, unlikely we will even pay half of that.
Next season, we will probably field 4: Müller, Alaba, Lahm and Hummels.
We had a dry spell recently though, although you need exceptional talent to break into such a team. But the results of our youth Bundesliga team haven't exactly been stellar the last years.
It's amazing how everyone just assumes we will pay all of the 45 million € in additions till 2021
Do you need that to make you feel better?
One condition is known to be the Ballon d'Or, others do most likely include CL finals apperances and stuff. So, unlikely we will even pay half of that.
Renato Sanches deal: €35m guaranteed. €5m for every 25 appearances. €20m for Ballon d'Or shortlist/FIFA Team of the Year. #FCBayern #MUFC
If it's unlikely that you'll pay half of it, then it's a fecking terrible deal for Bayern. Btw this information comes from Duncan Castles(Jorge Mendes lapdog). It's exactly like the Martial deal and yet Martial is still counted as 80m Euros where as this will be counted as 35m Euros. Typical really.
Lol so true, why not just say what we were saying with Martial. Hope we pay the full fee, be worth it.
It's an insane deal if that's true. I honestly wonder what our scouts see in him. It's not a late panic deal either, the transfer window doesn't open for 6 more weeks. Why the rush? It's just a massive turn around from everything we've done in the past when it comes to transfers. And 25 appearances are nothing. Apparantly it's 5m for every 25 games up until 25m (the remaining 20m to make it 80 overall are for the Ballon d'Or shortlist). Götze has already 113 for Bayern in 3 years despite several long injury breaks and often being left out of the starting XI, so reaching 100-125 appearances for us is really not that difficult. We most likely have to pay 55-60m for him even if he fails to do well for us and leaves in 3 years and that's always a big possibility when you sign a 18 year old. I really don't get it.
I think it's just that he's an extra ordinary talent and Bayern think he'll be worth more than that what they've paid for(like us with Martial). Btw all this LvG vetoed the deal in February thing seems nonsense to me, I think we wanted him but as soon as Bayern came along, he wanted to sign for them and that's fair enough.
Upto a max off?
35m guaranteed fee. 25m in appearances(125 appearances) and 20m for Ballon'D Shortlist(best 23 players)
25m
Shit! Thats a seriously expensive transfer for someone who has only played 6 months of football. Big risk taken by Bayern.
Wow, 5m for every 25 appearances seems excessive to me. He's easily going to get those number of appearances.
Why ? I find it very believable to be honest. If not van Gaal, the next in charge of making football decisions would be Woodward (Unless Mourinho is secretly in talks about players to bring in) and Woodward knows zilch about Football. It makes sense that whilst he is in charge, he makes the decisions. Whether, it's right or wrong is a different debate, but I do find it credible.
I just think that this briefing comes to save face after we've been rejected by him.
Don't really care about that. It doesn't make any difference for us if other clubs were interested and why a transfer didn't happen before. I'm convinced that we wouldn't spend so much money on him so early in the transfer window, if we weren't 100% sure that he's fully commited to us.
I hope you're right and that he really is an extraordinary talent. But even if he is, he's still only 18 and could easily struggle for 2 years trying to play at an elite level no matter how talented he is. We'll see what happens, but it's a massive gamble. Doesn't matter if he turns into an elite player or not.
How good was he against you in the Champions league? Definitely think that played a role in you signing him for that fee.
The source for the article was The Sun I believe who I am sure would no doubt want to embaress us more than to help us save face.
Not true. The telegraph and the Independent also carrying this.
Wow, just wow. So Bayern are almost guaranteed to pay 60m euros for him? On the basis of playing half a season at top level? Football has gone mad.
Martial had at least 70 games in France and Europe, this seems a bit of a crazy deal.