Religion, what's the point?

If you ever have a discussion with someone who doesn't believe in evolution a great topic to bring up is the laryngeal nerve.

When us mammals were a blob of whatever we were (scientific term here*), the nerve took its shortest route which happened to loop around what became the aortic arch. As we evolved the nerve extended in a remarkable example of unintelligent design.

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And even more ridiculous in the giraffe, what was God thinking!

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Love stuff like that. Evolution's amazing but can be a bit thick.
 
Love stuff like that. Evolution's amazing but can be a bit thick.

The easiest is always the appendix.

Or if you are in no mood to debate, you can quote Yossarian

"And don't tell me God works in mysterious ways," Yossarian continued. … "There's nothing mysterious about it, He's not working at all. He's playing. Or else He's forgotten all about us. That's the kind of God you people talk about, a country bumpkin, a clumsy, bungling, brainless, conceited, uncouth hayseed. Good God, how much reverence can you have for a Supreme Being who finds it necessary to include such phenomena as phlegm and tooth decay in His divine system of Creation? What in the world was running through that warped, evil, scatological mind of His when He robbed old people of the power to control their bowel movements? Why in the world did He ever create pain?"
"Pain?" Lieutenant Scheisskopf's wife pounced upon the word victoriously. "Pain is a useful symptom. Pain is a warning to us of bodily dangers."
"And who created the dangers?" Yossarian demanded ... "Why couldn't He have used a doorbell instead to notify us?"
 
Love stuff like that. Evolution's amazing but can be a bit thick.

At the other end of the spectrum is how optimised the genetic code is for error prevention as compared to a random code.

I'm not sure about your bio knowledge so this is really basic:

DNA codes very directly for RNA; 3 RNA bases ("letters") code for 1 unit of a protein (amino acid). The genetic code refers to the 3-letter sequences of RNA corresponding to each amino acid.
RNA - protein coding is not direct and involves an intermediate adapter. The binding of the 3rd letter to the adapter is "loose" and the wrong adapter may bind to the RNA triplet. So errors can happen.
The way the code is, the effect of this 3rd letter looseness is minimised - the "wrong" adapter will correspond to an amino acid that is chemically similar to the correct one. So basically there will be errors in translation but their effect in the final protein will be minimised because of the code.
 
At the other end of the spectrum is how optimised the genetic code is for error prevention as compared to a random code.

I'm not sure about your bio knowledge so this is really basic:

DNA codes very directly for RNA; 3 RNA bases ("letters") code for 1 unit of a protein (amino acid). The genetic code refers to the 3-letter sequences of RNA corresponding to each amino acid.
RNA - protein coding is not direct and involves an intermediate adapter. The binding of the 3rd letter to the adapter is "loose" and the wrong adapter may bind to the RNA triplet. So errors can happen.
The way the code is, the effect of this 3rd letter looseness is minimised - the "wrong" adapter will correspond to an amino acid that is chemically similar to the correct one. So basically there will be errors in translation but their effect in the final protein will be minimised because of the code.
You correctly gauged my bio knowledge there :D

So the RNA evolved a kind of fail-safe that means however badly it messes up, the effect is minimal?
 
You correctly gauged my bio knowledge there :D

So the RNA evolved a kind of fail-safe that means however badly it messes up, the effect is minimal?

It's not the RNA but the "code": which letters of RNA correspond to which amino acid - that has been amazingly optimised.

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I wouldn't say i'm religious but I think things may be more complex than we just have this human life and we die and then that's it forever. What does make me think though is all of the evil and corruption in the world, I don't think that is all purely down to human nature, when you look at all of the symbolism in music and the strange ceremonies and secret societies etc that many of the elite are involved in and the destruction, war and evil that is everywhere. Also from speaking with Christians and knowing a little about what is said in the bible, does it not seem like a huge coincidence that we are moving towards a cashless society where if you do not have some sort of electronic chip, be it your credit card or a chip possibly planted in your body (mark of the beast) then you will be unable to eat, work or trade or do anything. That is the way we are headed and it is very subtle so few notice it. You may say i'm reading into things to much but the way this world is headed in many ways matches up with prophecy so I do wonder.
 
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Tax-free tithes is a pretty good reason. If you're a paedo, you will also be hidden or moved elsewhere.
What a feckin' great business if you're a dodgy bastard.
 
Yep, MasterCard and bit coin are mentioned in Matthew 4:12.
'Oh you disbelievers! If you use MasterCard or bitcoins, you are doing sin and you shall burn on hell for eternity.'

'Litecoin and VISA is something else though'

Matthew 4:12
 
I wouldn't say i'm religious but I think things may be more complex than we just have this human life and we die and then that's it forever. What does make me think though is all of the evil and corruption in the world, I don't think that is all purely down to human nature, when you look at all of the symbolism in music and the strange ceremonies and secret societies etc that many of the elite are involved in and the destruction, war and evil that is everywhere. Also from speaking with Christians and knowing a little about what is said in the bible, does it not seem like a huge coincidence that we are moving towards a cashless society where if you do not have some sort of electronic chip, be it your credit card or a chip possibly planted in your body (mark of the beast) then you will be unable to eat, work or trade or do anything. That is the way we are headed and it is very subtle so few notice it. You may say i'm reading into things to much but the way this world is headed in many ways matches up with prophecy so I do wonder.

That is the least coherent post on the Caf since The King though statues were drinking milk.
 
I wouldn't say i'm religious but I think things may be more complex than we just have this human life and we die and then that's it forever. What does make me think though is all of the evil and corruption in the world, I don't think that is all purely down to human nature, when you look at all of the symbolism in music and the strange ceremonies and secret societies etc that many of the elite are involved in and the destruction, war and evil that is everywhere. Also from speaking with Christians and knowing a little about what is said in the bible, does it not seem like a huge coincidence that we are moving towards a cashless society where if you do not have some sort of electronic chip, be it your credit card or a chip possibly planted in your body (mark of the beast) then you will be unable to eat, work or trade or do anything. That is the way we are headed and it is very subtle so few notice it. You may say i'm reading into things to much but the way this world is headed in many ways matches up with prophecy so I do wonder.

The simple scientific answer to that is that thoughts and feelings and not evidence.

Yep, MasterCard and bit coin are mentioned in Matthew 4:12.

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Word about what? Read what book? Why on earth should I get upset. Your posts aren't making much sense so I'm off to bed. Whilst I'm gone try not to get even more worked up just because I wasn't taught by bible bashers trying to ram Leviticus and such down my throat. We don't tend to be so fanatical over here. Religion's more laid back and we are encouraged to think for ourselves.

I recite the Nicene's Creed and the Apostle's Creed every week. I understand that Father, Son and the Spirit are the three components of Trinity. But 'God' as per Bible has always been clear without any ambiguity that it is the Father.

I don't really want to take this debate any further. I don't agree that Christianity as a religion preaches to hate LGBT community. I've been to churches in England, India and the US and have not seen this preached. There is always this idealogue at every place who goes to the extreme, but in the main, I've been only taught about love and how essential it is to listen to other people. It is true that I haven't been to a church in the bible belt states in US. I'm not that different to many of you here, I get angry when I see creationists block the teaching of evolution in school curriculum, and when people declare dinosaurs are a hoax or the earth is 6000 years old as much as the atheist and agnostic here at RedCafe. I understand that there are multiple problems with religion and there will always be on going issues on how the religion is interpreted by many different people, but not every church preaches gay bashing. That is my only point.

I'm limiting my post to just churches because I know very little about Islam as a religion.
I'm sorry that pointing out what the Bible actually says puts you off talking about your religion.

I am also sorry for pointing out the difference between actual Christianity as defined by its Holy Scripture and "Christianity" as defined by 21st century preachers.

The fact, however, remains. Just because it isn't preached in your church doesn't mean it isn't in the book that Christianity claims is the Holy Word of God.
 
I'm sorry that pointing out what the Bible actually says puts you off talking about your religion.

I am also sorry for pointing out the difference between actual Christianity as defined by its Holy Scripture and "Christianity" as defined by 21st century preachers.

The fact, however, remains. Just because it isn't preached in your church doesn't mean it isn't in the book that Christianity claims is the Holy Word of God.

You said Jesus is God. I refute that and I tell you that 'God' never refers to Jesus in Bible, yet you continue to insist it's the truth because you know it for sure. What can I say? :lol: Alright you win.
 
You said Jesus is God. I refute that and I tell you that 'God' never refers to Jesus in Bible, yet you continue to insist it's the truth because you know it for sure. What can I say? :lol: Alright you win.
You're not refuting me, you're refuting John Chapter 1...

The concept of the Trinity means that Christians profess a belief in a triune God. Each of the Divine Persons is 100% God at the same time. If that doesn't make sense, don't blame me, blame the theology that has existed for 2000 years.

Also, the reason why I called the Trinity a "conundrum" is because Red Defense's church seemingly overlooks the Old Testament. You cannot have the Trinity without the Old Testament, and there is the conundrum... without the Old Testament, you don't have the Trinity, the basis of the entire Christian faith.
 
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The bible was written by a bunch of guys that didn't know where the sun went at night. The bible makes scientific claims, morality claims and governing claims and it's amazing to me that folks still think it's a book worth using as a guiding force.
I was really proud of some government officials (including the mayor of Charlotte, NC and Denver, CO) for ignoring the national day of prayer in favor of a national day of reason.
 
The bible was written by a bunch of guys that didn't know where the sun went at night. The bible makes scientific claims, morality claims and governing claims and it's amazing to me that folks still think it's a book worth using as a guiding force.
I was really proud of some government officials (including the mayor of Charlotte, NC and Denver, CO) for ignoring the national day of prayer in favor of a national day of reason.
Agreed, sir.

Of course, apparently the churches that these fellows attend try to cover up those claims you refer to by not talking about them.
 
Remember @MarylandMUFan, all these problems we're experiencing in the US is because we've taken god out of schools!
Quite frankly, I wish they'd let me do as my college did and actually teach the religious texts in school so that some of the misunderstandings and ignored parts can be brought to light for some people.

Might do us some good!
 
Quite frankly, I wish they'd let me do as my college did and actually teach the religious texts in school so that some of the misunderstandings and ignored parts can be brought to light for some people.

Might do us some good!

Not sure what level you're teaching at but if it's within the K-12 range you'd have angry parents for daring to give examples and calling to light various passages.

Also, I'm all for Christianity being taught in US schools - if they teach other religions with the same fervor, without personal bias, and giving equal amounts of time.
 
Not sure what level you're teaching at but if it's within the K-12 range you'd have angry parents for daring to give examples and calling to light various passages.

Also, I'm all for Christianity being taught in US schools - if they teach other religions with the same fervor, without personal bias, and giving equal amounts of time.
I would love to teach a "world religions" class. It is my favorite unit to teach in World History... and yes, I give each religion covered (all the "Big 5") the same treatment. I am impartial.
 
Just keep religion out of politics. That's all I ask for. Yeah, I find it illogical that people will believe a prayer was answered when finding a job, getting a car, whatever. But the flip side is never applied logically when death and destruction occur.

Each time I see some "god is great" or "god blessed me" post on FB, I just want to post that image of the starving child with the vulture nearby. What a loving god!
 
I tell you that 'God' never refers to Jesus in Bible
@Red Defence

I'll just leave these here...

John 1:1,14, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…14, And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory"

John 8:24 - "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."

John 8:58 with Exodus 3:14. John 8:58, “Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” Exodus 3:14, “And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” (this is why you can't ignore the Old Testament)

John 20:28, “Thomas answered and said to Him, ‘My Lord and my God!’"

Col. 2:9, “For in Him all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form.”

Phil. 2:5-8, “Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”

Believing that Jesus is not God quite literally puts you at odds with the fundamental teachings of Christianity.
 
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Just keep religion out of politics. That's all I ask for. Yeah, I find it illogical that people will believe a prayer was answered when finding a job, getting a car, whatever. But the flip side is never applied logically when death and destruction occur.

Each time I see some "god is great" or "god blessed me" post on FB, I just want to post that image of the starving child with the vulture nearby. What a loving god!
Don't talk about that God. Apparently churches in England don't.
 
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