Religion, what's the point?

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Why are Jews so brilliant? I mean in terms of their average academic achievements, their contribution to the advancement of the first world, making a ton of money, etc? 1 in 5 Nobel Prizes have been awarded to those of the Jewish faith, while Jews make up less than 1 in every 500 people... I don't get it.
 
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Why are Jews so brilliant? I mean in terms of their average academic achievements, their contribution to the advancement of the first world, making a ton of money, etc? 1 in 5 Nobel Prizes have been awarded to those of the Jewish faith, while Jews make up less than 1 in every 500 people... I don't get it.


the chosen people.

let the abuse begin.
 
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Why are Jews so brilliant? I mean in terms of their average academic achievements, their contribution to the advancement of the first world, making a ton of money, etc? 1 in 5 Nobel Prizes have been awarded to those of the Jewish faith, while Jews make up less than 1 in every 500 people... I don't get it.

because they have faith ?
 
The pope responded to the murders of satirists by lecturing their corpses. You cannot insult or make fun of the faith of others, he said, as he came as close as he dared to blaming the victims. A man’s religion was like his mother, he added. And anyone who insulted his mother could “expect a punch”.

Last week, the Vatican changed its line without changing its mind, the tactic of every cornered propagandist in history. Perhaps it realised that the pope’s claim that you could not satirise militant religion without expecting a punch in the face or a bullet in the head might unnerve even the most uncritical churchgoers. Instead, it tried to pretend that militant religion had nothing to do with religion.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...enment-values-in-iliberal-times-charlie-hebdo
 
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Why are Jews so brilliant? I mean in terms of their average academic achievements, their contribution to the advancement of the first world, making a ton of money, etc? 1 in 5 Nobel Prizes have been awarded to those of the Jewish faith, while Jews make up less than 1 in every 500 people... I don't get it.

Maybe 1 in 5 is on the Nobel Prize panel that chooses the winner.
 
Might as well post it here...

Why are Jews so brilliant? I mean in terms of their average academic achievements, their contribution to the advancement of the first world, making a ton of money, etc? 1 in 5 Nobel Prizes have been awarded to those of the Jewish faith, while Jews make up less than 1 in every 500 people... I don't get it.


Not sure if this refers to religious Jews or those who identify as ethnically/culturally Jewish.
Also, https://www.redcafe.net/threads/what-is-it-with-jewish-people-and-their-success.411582/
 
There was this Instagram account dedicated to God/Jesus and I was just reading the comments on the images and it was mindboggling. Feel free to devote your life to a religion if you want but damn, these people were brainwashed. They'd be having fecked up lives and still say 'thank you God for everything you've done for me'. What the...? :lol: These images had quotes like "God will never let you go through anything he doesn't give you the strength to overcome". How do they even know what God wants or what God thinks at all? They spoke to him? :lol:
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-hebdo-you-cannot-insult-the-faith-of-others/

That's poor journalism, the sort of stuff you'd expect from a red top tbf. An article with some more context. Pretty clear from reading his full comments it's not a 'they had it coming' mantra. He's making a general point about freedom of speech and how it has limits (which it obviously does in society and the legal realm) you can disagree with where religion falls/should be exempt from that, a legitimate debate which doesn't need obtuse quoting to strengthen an argument.
 
There was this Instagram account dedicated to God/Jesus and I was just reading the comments on the images and it was mindboggling. Feel free to devote your life to a religion if you want but damn, these people were brainwashed. They'd be having fecked up lives and still say 'thank you God for everything you've done for me'. What the...? :lol: These images had quotes like "God will never let you go through anything he doesn't give you the strength to overcome". How do they even know what God wants or what God thinks at all? They spoke to him? :lol:

Do you read instagram/facebook comments from "regular" people every day? Or just read what people say on Manchester United facebook pages for a start, that will be more than enough for you to realise that majority people who post on fan pages are retarded in general.
 
Do you read instagram/facebook comments from "regular" people every day? Or just read what people say on Manchester United facebook pages for a start, that will be more than enough for you to realise that people who post on fan pages are retarded in general.

Fixed.
 
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Why are Jews so brilliant? I mean in terms of their average academic achievements, their contribution to the advancement of the first world, making a ton of money, etc? 1 in 5 Nobel Prizes have been awarded to those of the Jewish faith, while Jews make up less than 1 in every 500 people... I don't get it.
Always wondered that.

I think that the reason why this is the case, might be because they have been historically, the most discriminated group in pretty much everywhere. They had to work harder than other people to achieve the same positions. And probably, this have become a part of their culture.
 
Always wondered that.

I think that the reason why this is the case, might be because they have been historically, the most discriminated group in pretty much everywhere. They had to work harder than other people to achieve the same positions. And probably, this have become a part of their culture.

That's all I could come up with. I wonder if we'll see a similar trend with other oppressed sections of society in the future.

Best thing about Religion is this scene.

 
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Why are Jews so brilliant? I mean in terms of their average academic achievements, their contribution to the advancement of the first world, making a ton of money, etc? 1 in 5 Nobel Prizes have been awarded to those of the Jewish faith, while Jews make up less than 1 in every 500 people... I don't get it.

Common language, identity, cultural homogeneity, and siege mentality of escaping persecution.
 
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Why are Jews so brilliant? I mean in terms of their average academic achievements, their contribution to the advancement of the first world, making a ton of money, etc? 1 in 5 Nobel Prizes have been awarded to those of the Jewish faith, while Jews make up less than 1 in every 500 people... I don't get it.
As Jews were gaining full rights across Europe in the XIXth century, a movement of jewish enlightment developed, creating a large class of secular Jews willing to leave the segregated communities and integrate in the European societies and most importantly the cultured circles.

Science was the perfect secular domain of knowledge, transcending cultures and beliefs. Some successful role models then paved the way for a generation of scientists.

It seems that the trend of Jewish academic overachievement is dying down and their proportion of Nobel prizes could normalize in the future.
 
Common language, identity, cultural homogeneity, and siege mentality of escaping persecution.
Not only that, the fact they couldn't own land in Europe they moved to trading and eventually their children to any academic achievement available at the time (lawyers, doctors, etc), after so many centuries the genes are there, if the parents and grandparents of a child have college education then the chances are the children would go to college.
 
What the feck...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35341256

On 11 January, Qaiser was attending a celebration of the Prophet's birth at a mosque in his village in north-eastern Punjab.

The cleric hosting it worked the crowd into a fervour and, a few hours into the celebration, called out: "Who among you is a follower of Muhammad?" Everyone raised their hands.

He followed it with another question: "Who among you doesn't believe in the teachings of the Holy Prophet? Raise your hands!"

Qaiser, mishearing, inadvertently raised his hand.

Witnessed by about 100 worshippers, the cleric immediately accused him of blasphemy and the boy returned home to prove his love for the Prophet - by cutting off his own hand.

For a 15-year-old, Qaiser looked exceptionally frail when I met him. But his fight with pain and fear was outweighed by a sense of religious righteousness.

"When I raised my right hand unwittingly, I realised I had committed blasphemy and needed to atone for this," he told the BBC.

It appears it didn't matter to him whether it was a mistake or not - he couldn't live with the shame of the accusation without punishing himself, so had to undo it.

"I came back home and went to the grass-cutting machine, but found the place dark so I took my uncle's phone to point some light at my hand. I placed it under the machine and chopped it off in a single swirl."

Qaiser picked his severed hand up from under the machine and, bleeding profusely, placed it on a tray and took it back to the mosque, less than 100 metres from his home.

Asked about everyone's reaction, he said: "They didn't say anything. A few people came forward to take me to the hospital, before I passed out."

Religious fervour did not only override empathy among the villagers - even Qaiser does not seem disposed to self-pity.

"I didn't feel any pain when I chopped it off so why would I feel any now? The hand that commits blasphemy should be chopped off," he said, with a restrained smile.

His entire village is celebrating the act of expiation. The extreme nature of this "devotional" act has made Qaiser into a revered figure.

He is being heralded among the villagers, and to a certain degree by himself, as a righteous hero. Most of his fellow villagers are illiterate and belong to an extremely conservative Islamic sect - their profoundly religious life is reflected in the mosques you find every few paces in this part of Pakistan. But Qaiser's act has even drawn admiration from surrounding villages.
 
I have always been 100% an atheist. As a boy I did some time in the Boy's Brigade (essentially Scouts with religion) and attended church every Sunday for a couple of years, and if anything that just served to reaffirm my non-belief.

Having said the above, I do like and respect some of the principles associated with religion (in general). Religion has several good "way of life" type concepts, simple ideas of respect, living a simple life - the sort of thing you might associate with stereotypical Buddhist monks. I just think the actually "religious" side of it - God, Jesus, Prophets and all the rest - is a complete waste of time.

More recently, my ex girlfriend with whom I was together for 8 years, has a deeply religious Catholic mother. Every time we went up to stay at their house for a few nights it always felt thoroughly uncomfortable because she felt the need to try to push her beliefs onto others like me.

Anyway, I am rambling - but I think religion is a very outdated concept from a time and age where mankind's knowledge of the earth, stars and all manner of things was very limited. People needed and wanted explanations and answers to all the grand questions of the universe, and without having sophisticated enough technology to actually find those answers, came up with the rather convenient concept of some sort of celestial, omniscient being. I also think that religion and God acts very much as a 'safety blanket' for people in modern times - that realistically, the human race is doing a grand job of fecking up the earth (not to mention each other, and society as a whole). Again realistically, give it a couple of hundred years and there is a very good chance that civilization will have largely crumbled I think, simply due to a lack of natural resources (unless we can make some serious and rapid advancements in high power renewable energy sources). Folk would prefer to believe that it will be OK in the end, that God will bail us out or - at the very least - there will be some glorious afterlife awaiting us.

Final thought is that if it turns out that God actually does exist, I really doubt he/she/it is narcissistic enough that they care whether people believe in them or not. If someone truly believes that they have lived their life in the 'correct' manner, respecting others, not being a dick etc...would that person truly be denied entry to heaven (or equivalent) on the grounds that they do not believe in God? Or that they didnt go to church enough? etc.
 
Religion is brain washing. There's not even room for argument.



I mentioned this in the IS thread.

Anyone watching this thing on Channel 4?

Some of it is like a spoof.

"Don't touch me, don't touch me, I know the law" (Continues to go mental at the police officer for a minute)
"You're being detained for a search"
"Ok, ok, let him search me"

"This is ..... [some cnut], a convert from South East London who used to be a drum and bass MC"

(paraphrased)

These are the kind of morons that may eventually do something in the UK, although a lot I imagine are just whoppers buying into the cause to make their shit lives seem worthwhile.

Loved seeing the proper muslims stand up to them on the street.

I posted that before the end of the program, and one of the guys from the beginning ended up being the English bloke in the latest execution video from Syria.
 
Should be treated as mental illness.

I disagree. I think when children are told from a very young age that there is a god and that their god is the only god and as they grow up they see their parents believe devoutly in that god, it's easy to understand why they follow the same route. My ma is religious. She brought us to mass. I served mass. I believed because she believed. It's instinct to believe what our parents tell us and rightly so. If our parents tell us not to touch the cooker or not to run out on the street it is to keep us safe. If we do some of these things in spite of our parents advice when we are young and hurt ourselves, it reinforces your instinct to believe what your parents say.

So even without being dogmatic and preaching, it's extremely easy to follow them down their religious path. Even rational logical people can believe so that they see "faith" or "god is mysterious" as valid responses when questioned about their religion.

Thankfully, at a fairly young age I started to become curious about space, the universe, where we came from and why we are here. I looked into things and for me, the notion of a god didn't make sense anymore. I kept reading different books and I came to the conclusion that there was no evidence to back any of this up. This was hard to take at the time. You start to look at religous people you know and try to figure out why, when they are many years your senior, they haven't figured all of this out yet.

But the thing is, many people don't become as interested in science as I did. Most people that are religious, go to mass once a week and religion plays no other part in their lives. They still believe, but its not part of their daily life. They have no interest in researching whether it's true or not, they just have faith. And most, if you really push it and really get them thinking, will struggle to give you an answer of why they believe. Deep down, they don't want to think about it because they know the evidence isn't there but religion is a comfort for them.
 
Just watching Louis Theroux's Ultra Zionists documentary. I know it's old, but it's eye-opening. Religious extremists who think God gave them land so they have a right to persecute another group of people in order to take it back. I know the Palestinians are no angels but while hey obviously have ideological views as well, the reason they are fighting is because their land is being taken, their homes are being taken. They aren't fighting because they reckon god gave them this land thousands of years ago. The fact that the international community has stood back and let this happen, particularly the systematic placement of jews in Jerusalem, is disgraceful.
 
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Why are Jews so brilliant? I mean in terms of their average academic achievements, their contribution to the advancement of the first world, making a ton of money, etc? 1 in 5 Nobel Prizes have been awarded to those of the Jewish faith, while Jews make up less than 1 in every 500 people... I don't get it.

I've asked the same question here too. From memory, some said culture, some said it wasn't true anyway, and genetics was generally ruled out.
I don't get it either, still puzzled.
 
Just watching Louis Theroux's Ultra Zionists documentary. I know it's old, but it's eye-opening. Religious extremists who think God gave them land so they have a right to persecute another group of people in order to take it back. I know the Palestinians are no angels but while hey obviously have ideological views as well, the reason they are fighting is because their land is being taken, their homes are being taken. They aren't fighting because they reckon god gave them this land thousands of years ago. The fact that the international community has stood back and let this happen, particularly the systematic placement of jews in Jerusalem, is disgraceful.
It's a stain on humanity that Zionism is allowed to persist.
 
Just move everyone out, nuke the place until no-one can live there, and ta-da. If you can't share, then no-one gets it.
Yes I'm joking.
 
I've asked the same question here too. From memory, some said culture, some said it wasn't true anyway, and genetics was generally ruled out.
I don't get it either, still puzzled.

Imagine the horrifying implications if it were proven true that genetics played a part.
 
Imagine the horrifying implications if it were proven true that genetics played a part.

Hitler was right, but just classified wrongly?
EDIT: classified the Aryans as the master race wrongly.
 
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http://www.theguardian.com/educatio...missions-changes-criticised-secularist-groups

A government plan to ban secularist groups from complaining about admissions to faith schools has been condemned by campaigners as “an affront to democracy and the rule of law”.

Nicky Morgan, the education secretary, announced new rules on Monday which she said would get rid of the bureaucracy surrounding school admissions to ensure that parents had more of a say in the process.

She said she wanted to stop “vexatious complaints” against faith schools from secularist campaign groups in order to “unclog” the admissions system. In future, only complaints from local parents and councils will be considered.

Under current rules, parents outside the area and organisations such as the British Humanist Association are allowed to lodge an objection with the Office of the Schools Adjudicator (OSA) if they believe that a school has failed to comply with the school admissions code.

The government move comes after the BHA, working with the Fair Admissions Campaign, published a highly critical report last year which claimed that many faith schools were illegally denying places to children.

The report – entitled An Unholy Mess: how virtually all religiously selective state schools in England are breaking the law – detailed how the BHA and FAC lodged objections to the admission arrangements of a representative sample of nearly 50 religiously selective secondary schools.

According to the BHA, the adjudicator identified more than 1,000 breaches of the school admissions code, with what campaigners described as “near universal non-compliance among schools”.

The education secretary also announced plans to require admissions authorities to consult on their arrangements every four years rather than the current seven.

“As part of our mission to deliver educational excellence everywhere, we want every child to have the opportunity to go to a good local school by making it easier for parents to have a say in their local school’s admission process,” Morgan said.

“So that parents can be confident that the school admission process is working for them, we are ensuring [that] only local parents and councils can object to admission arrangements, which will also put a stop to vexatious complaints against faith schools by secularist campaign groups.”

The government will carry out a public consultation on the proposed changes.
The BHA chief executive, Andrew Copson, said: “A near universal failure to adhere to the law in a particular area has been identified. Instead of moving to enforce the law, the government has responded by planning to make it harder to identify future violations of it. This is an affront to both democracy and the rule of law.”

Edit - The Tory cnuts.
 
Agreed :lol: I don't see the point in intentionally trying to aggravate people... Well, yes I do, it's to make vids like that, but you know what I mean. I don't blame the Asian lads for getting a bit annoyed honestly, although some of them do take it a bit far.

Are we still a Christian country by the way? I thought less than 50% identified as Christian now?

Edit: In 2011 nearly 60% identified themselves as Christians in the National Census 2011, 25.7% responded 'no religion', and 7.2% gave no answer. (7.6% of the population are Muslims, Hindus, and other religions).[1] In the 2015 BSA survey only 42% described themselves as Christian, whilst the majority (49%) of UK residents said they are of 'No Religion.[2][3] Trends are showing that fewer individuals are viewing religion positively, with 79% of people agreeing that religion is a cause of much misery and conflict in the world today.

Stay winning, Britain! We're on the right path!
 
Agreed :lol: I don't see the point in intentionally trying to aggravate people... Well, yes I do, it's to make vids like that, but you know what I mean. I don't blame the Asian lads for getting a bit annoyed honestly, although some of them do take it a bit far.

Are we still a Christian country by the way? I thought less than 50% identified as Christian now?

Edit: In 2011 nearly 60% identified themselves as Christians in the National Census 2011, 25.7% responded 'no religion', and 7.2% gave no answer. (7.6% of the population are Muslims, Hindus, and other religions).[1] In the 2015 BSA survey only 42% described themselves as Christian, whilst the majority (49%) of UK residents said they are of 'No Religion.[2][3] Trends are showing that fewer individuals are viewing religion positively, with 79% of people agreeing that religion is a cause of much misery and conflict in the world today.

Stay winning, Britain! We're on the right path!

Nah. The muslims were just as bad. Somone's walking down the street you live on with a cross? Deal with it. You're muslim. They're not. They all showed their true colours at the end. Obviously we only saw the bits of the videos that they Britain first wanted us to see, so I don't know what was said before, but the first person we saw saying anything out of order was muslim lad telling the Britain first people "feck You Mate" and to leave and that this was their country and that they were going to take over. That was all Christian's needed to start an argument and cause a scene. It seemed to all kick off from that.

I don't agree with anything the Britain First people say, but I'd defend their right to say it. I'm a bit uncomfortable with carrying crosses because it reminds me of the KKK. But if they want to carry a cross down a street peacefully (Again, I don't know if this was peaceful), then they should be entitled to, in the same way that a group of Muslims should be allowed to carry any of their religious imagery down any street peacefully.

Just think about the absolute shit storm that would have been on every news channel about how racist Britain is if this was a group of Muslims just walking down the street and a group of white Britons started shouting at them to feck off and that this wasn't their country.

But also, on the other hand, the Britain First crowd are a bunch of planks. So if they had all just kicked each others heads in it would have been a nice end to the video.