They said that about West Ham and Aston Villa..
Relegation
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Our season this year is eerily similar to Aston Villa's 2015-16 season in which they finished last on 17 points. Would anyone be shocked to see us finish on a similar number of points?
They had similar warning signs for two seasons before their relegation, finishing on 38 points in both of them... scarily similar to our last two seasons too.
In which case, Everton, Leicester and Palace would need to win 3 out of their next 5 to go above us.
Ipswich and Wolves would need to win 4 and draw 1 of their next 5 games, which doesn’t work for Wolves if we beat them.
Does that seem realistic?
Look at who they’re all playing in the next 5 games.
We may be much closer in points to 17th place after the next 5, but 14th is likely to be our lowest position following the Liverpool game.
What happens after that, depends on what Amorim can do to turn our fortunes around.
We could be flirting with relegation, but not before January.
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And be deducted two points, yes.What?!
You genuinely think we will lose every game for the rest of the season?
That's what I tell the missus
oh thank god you were joking.I mean we're on 19 in December, so yes I would be pretty bloody shocked
Not so fast. If things go really badly this could be the first of United's 38 points seasons, but surely not the relegation season
Relegation no, but relegation form yes. A loss to City and we have 4 points from 5 games. We might be 15/16th after we lose to Liverpool in January.
I'm glad you take heart from the fact we are 10 points above the relegation zone about to enter the Christmas free-for-all
.If we are still in the bottom half of the table after Christmas/New Year then I am afraid we are potential candidates for the 'dog fight'.
The fact that nobody believes it will happen is the worst situation to be in. However, I can't see Sir Jim standing for that mind-set, he's old enough to have been around in the mid-70's and knows the 'self blindness' and 'self kiddology' we all gave one another as the ship slowly sank lower in the water (sorry table).
Relying on others being worse than you, is not a strategy I would want to adopt.
However, have a good Christmas and don't forget to send Santa a note...." all United fans want for Christmas is to retain PL status".
I'm glad you take heart from the fact we are 10 points above the relegation zone about to enter the Christmas free-for-all
If we are still in the bottom half of the table after Christmas/New Year then I am afraid we are potential candidates for the 'dog fight'.
The fact that nobody believes it will happen is the worst situation to be in. However, I can't see Sir Jim standing for that mind-set, he's old enough to have been around in the mid-70's and knows the 'self blindness' and 'self kiddology' we all gave one another as the ship slowly sank lower in the water (sorry table).
Relying on others being worse than you, is not a strategy I would want to adopt.
However, have a good Christmas and don't forget to send Santa a note...." all United fans want for Christmas is to retain PL status".
14th placed team finished 20 points above relegation last season, Brighton and Bournemouth at 11th and 12th respectively were closer to top 4 than they were to being relegated. Being in bottom 10 does not make you a relegation candidate.
There's no viable scenario in which we are remotely close to relegation this season as it'd require one of Wolves, Southampton or Ipswich to go above us. There's absolutely zero chance of that happening, none whatsoever. It's just a massive overreaction.
Well played - amazed some have missed this one completely
That people even think there are any parallels between us and them is insanity.
The real threat is we could finish bottom half this year, which is a possibility and tragic in itself. Relegation is not.
Very similar to Derby County too. They had a Wembley success that papered over the cracks and changed their manager halfway through. Genuinely think we should stop even discussing relegation and start talking about where we are going to find enough points to beat their 11.
Good for you..... keep telling yourself all that... I did in the 70's!
Bottom 10 - escape may be likely, but not certain, makes April /May terrible months
No viable scenario..... until there is one!
Requiring one of three teams ....who have been battling ALL season to keep free of relegation.... they may get worse, but more likely to get better!
We are literally 500/1 to get relegated.
If your memory of the 70's has impacted your sense of reality enough for you to think relegation is even a remote possibility, you should either seek trauma therapy or get down to your local bookies.
Certainly we are a long shot... but enough to get quoted for relegation, that in itself is a warning!
Despite being horrible, we have over double the points of the 18th placed team.
Would probably be our only chance to win a league title for the next decade... and we'd still probably muck it up by losing to a Man City team relegated for breaching financial regulations
I'm not entirely against this.
Christ, how the mighty have fallen that even the idea of relegation is considered
Christ, how the mighty have fallen that even the idea of relegation is considered
Yes, at the moment, but there are 23 games left to play, plus any distractions in Caraboa, FA Cup and Europa, plus according to many pundits, sports press, etc. we are selling up to six players this Jan, but might only buy three new ones!!
Don't forget of the four teams currently below us (14th to 17th) three; Everton, Palace and Leicester are all showing signs of improvement lately.
If we are still 9 points clear of 18th place with 3 games to go.... I just might relax.
You are basically presuming it’s possible that we go downhill very steeply from here, probably winning no more than 2-3 games and losing no less than 15, winning between less than 15 points in the remaining 23 games (as there’s little chance of any of Ipswich, Southampton or Wolves finishing on more than 35 points).
This is quite frankly impossible.
That's what we thought in the 70's.... hope you are right; but one thing I have found in watching football for over 65 years..... nothing is impossible, that's what makes the game so compelling and Old Trafford the 'Theatre of dreams" (with one nightmare in the 70's).
Keep the faith!!!
I just looked at your schedule though February. These players better start running through walls. Outside of Wolves, all those teams are in form for the PL.
Meh, a few tough games, a few easier ones, a few tricky ones. We're perfectly capable of winning the majority of them.
Weren’t we close to relegation for most of that season though? Not miles above like we are now?That's what we thought in the 70's.... hope you are right; but one thing I have found in watching football for over 65 years..... nothing is impossible, that's what makes the game so compelling and Old Trafford the 'Theatre of dreams" (with one nightmare in the 70's).
Keep the faith!!!
Not relegation maybe, but missing European competition all together would be almost as devastating.
I can’t remember the exact numbers, but the loss in income is huge and our pull for new players will be much lower.
We can’t continue to call us ”Biggest club in the world” for too long. Sooner or later that will dust away.
I can’t remember the exact numbers, but the loss in income is huge and our pull for new players will be much lower.
We can’t continue to call us ”Biggest club in the world” for too long. Sooner or later that will dust away.
We basically missed Europe through the league last year and were bailed out by FA Cup win. Who knows, maybe we can pull off League Cup or even Europa League this year.
Exactly! We barely missed it, but we didn’t.
Don't think many were saying it when the tables looked like this:
Newcastle, Norwich and Villa went down.
Birmingham, Blackpool and West Ham. Nobody as much as 10 points clear at this stage was relegated. That's yet to happen in a 38 game season, the record is 7 (Leeds 22/23)
Yep!
2 points for a win. Moved it to matchday 19 because it was a 42 game season, making it the same amount of games remaining.
We're 10 points above relegation
We won't get relegated for at least 17 months
We won't get relegated for at least 17 months
The decline did set in slightly earlier, but it was a gradual crawl to the bottom, then a final plumage.
In my opinion, the problem was the team Tommy Doc had for most of the season was not able to comprehend relegation, so they slipped and slithered towards it, almost on auto-pilot with everyone saying they were "too good to go down" ....they believed their own publicity.
By the time Tommy had been able to make some alterations, mainly bringing in youngsters who played 'without fear' it was too late; however you could see the beginnings of a good side and the year after they bounced back to Div 1 (winning the 2nd Div title 1974/75) and got to the Cup final, sadly losing to Southampton (1976)
We are currently 3/4 matches (9/12 pts) away from the relegation zone, would hardly call that 'miles above', especially with 23 more matches to go, we could go on getting worse and others getting better.
I suspect Amorin is going to have to make significant changes in the New Year, maybe not the same type of changes, but certainly much earlier than Tommy Doc was able to do.
Lets hope we do not have to go down again...... to 'do the necessary'.
The year I started supporting Utd so can't be accused of being a glory-hunter.
Tbf, I was only 6 or 7 and just liked the red shirt.
Since then you have seen a lot better than was being served up then as 'United fare'.
The 'red shirt' was as good a reason as any in those days, well done, suspect you would not have been on your own.
Often wondered how many new fans United collected in the early to mid 70's when the 'enthusiasm' for seeing good football at OT was at a premium. My two daughters were around your age then and I persuaded them to support the reds, one still does, a ST holder, the other.... well lets say she married a scouser... so less said the better
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As it has already been pointed out, nobody has ever got relegated from the position we are in currently. Not ever.
10 points is a big gap at the top of the table where you have teams that can easily go on a 5-6 win winning streak and consistently accumulate 80-90 in a season. At the bottom of the table where teams can hardly ever go 3 games without losing and don’t tend to go over 30-35 points, it’s basically a third of what they tend to accumulate throughout entire season and a massive gap. It’s an equivalent of 25 points at the top of the table and you’d hardly call a team finishing 25 points below another as ‘competitors’.
Every bleedin year.
We're not getting relegated ffs
We're not getting relegated ffs
So sorry for your troubles.Since then you have seen a lot better than was being served up then as 'United fare'.
The 'red shirt' was as good a reason as any in those days, well done, suspect you would not have been on your own.
Often wondered how many new fans United collected in the early to mid 70's when the 'enthusiasm' for seeing good football at OT was at a premium. My two daughters were around your age then and I persuaded them to support the reds, one still does, a ST holder, the other.... well lets say she married a scouser... so less said the better
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