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Blood Mage said:
It's not far-fetched at all. The club is a shambles on and off the pitch, with tin-pot clubs like Forest and Brentford appearing far better run. We have a squad that is sorely lacking in most areas: technical ability, athleticism and mental strength.
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Forest isn't a tinpot club.
 
Shady said:
Our last 38 games must be close to relegation form.
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I struggle to understand how people can make this claim, other than to vent and exaggerate, when over the last 38 games we have mostly been lingering between 6th and 8th last season, only to drop to the 10th to 14th range this season.
Even right now, we are 8 points from top 4 yet 10 points from relegation spots. We have literally never been close at all to relegation form.
 
Shady said:
Our last 38 games must be close to relegation form.
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52 points.

Ole'sgunnarwin said:
We're obviously not getting relegated but if we did, not sure it would be too bad. Complete reset, get used to winning again, get rid of the big earners etc
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The exodus of sponsors, players, match-going fans, TV money on top of everything else that comes with relegation combined with the debt and FFP hitting like 40 nukes would essentially fold the club.

We'd be back but it would be like Rangers. We'd be Man United Sevco.
 
We're 13th, but we're still closer to 2nd place than we are to the relegation zone, in terms of points.

100% certain we won't get relegated, but a bottom half finish isn't entirely unrealistic.
 
I said in the summer that we were as likely to get relegated as win the title (or even possibly top four)... so the answer is not at all,
 
We won't get relegated because Southampton, Ipswich, Leicester are much worse than us but we could finish in the bottom half with negative goal difference (again) and that is still very bad.
 
We will get around 45-50 points. So no danger of relegation.
 
Honestly I'll be cheering on every Ipswich/Wolves/Palace/Leicester defeat now.
 
Thank god there's Southampton, Ipswich and Leicester. Surely we're at least slightly better than them. Wouldn't rule out a 15th or 16th place finish though.
 
CM said:
We're slipping into midtable purgatory but this is just being silly. Any remote chance of something like this happening left with Ten Hag
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We’re fully immersed into midtable purgatory but, yeah, can’t see United getting relegated regardless of how atrocious they look.

Suspect we’ll finish between 8-12.
 
Relegated, no, but Idont see us finishing much higher than where we currently are, we really are rubbish. Notts forest got thrashed by a dire city side and then they easily beat us, we played like a mid table side against arsenal and lost comfortably and yet you see Fulham holding arsenal to a draw, im sure we will get heavily beaten by a out of form man city side as well.

Nothing has changed result wise from ten hag, the only slight optimistic period was under ruud when in hindsight the 0-0 draw against chelsea was a pretty good result considering how badly we have struggled against any half decent side this season and chelsea looking like the closest thing to a title contender to Liverpool.
 
It takes a special kind of ineptitude to play at a relegation level over the course of 9 months.

We're a mess, but we're one of those squads that has the level of talent that will see us get enough results by accident to avoid falling into the bottom three.
 
I remember in Moyesey’s season there was a thread along the lines of “can we miss out on top4?” and people were ridiculing it.
 
This is 2024, not 1974. Not going to happen.Younger fans are fortunate that relegation has never been a remote possibility in their lifetime. The only way it will occur is if we get in hot water for off-field reasons. Gone are the days when we finish behind all of Derby, Ipswich, Stoke, Burnley, QPR, Sheffield U, Leicester, Coventry, Birmingham and Soton.
 
I don’t think we will get relegated but we’re certainly closer to being involved in a relegation scrap than competing for a European place, based on our results and performances.
 
Von Mistelroum said:
I didn't think we'll get relegated, but we really do have a poor squad. Some of the players people think are our stars are actually some of our worst.

Our star players are meant to be Rashford, Garnacho, Bruno. I would say that none of these are good enough for top 4 clubs.

Bruno could be, but seems to have let the pressure get to him, maybe being captain of such a terrible side makes him feel like he has to constantly try weird stuff that never works.

Rashford and Garnacho seem to get a pass because they sometimes score goals, but this completely misses the point. That's the ONLY thing they do!

Neither can pass or create anything because they have very little footballing intelligence or creativity. Neither of them can cross, neither of them can tackle. I can't see where they fit in to this system at all.
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You're hard pushed to find actual United fans who think Rashford is a star.

Garnacho is a young lad who has potential, nowhere near superstar level for this club.

Hard disagree on Bruno. He's our best player.
 
Rams said:
The R word..

I’m not seeing any significant improvements on the field and the players are lacking belief. Our forwards simply aren’t good enough and we look vulnerable at the back. If the keeper also loses confidence then we’re in the shit for the rest of the season. If we get less than 3 points over the next 3 games, then I think we’ll be in a relegation battle for the rest of the season, this is how these things work from my experiences because you end up in a downward spiral which is very hard to get out of no matter how good the players or coaches might be.
Or do you think I am over dramatizing things ?
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Yes.

But maybe start a thread in the mains to check?
 
We're currently 10 points above the drop. Unless we plan on losing every game between now and February we're not getting anywhere close to the relegation zone.
 
If this isn’t a piss take thread, which I’m sure it is, then please ban the thread creator please
 
stepic said:
If this isn’t a piss take thread, which I’m sure it is, then please ban the thread creator please
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Why? Some of us aren't bullish enough to assume that it isn't a possibility. This would have been a ridiculous thread two seasons ago, not so much now. We get worse every year.
 
We have zero chance of being relegated this season. Stop being silly.

We are however a bottom half club at the moment so results like Saturday come as no surprise to me.

The squad is in a terrible mess, and I’m confident Amorim will sort it. The best we can hope for is to go as far as we can in Europa - that has to be our priority this season as the chance of us getting top 5 is almost zero.

I’ll be honest - the season is done for us already which is depressing considering we’re not even at Christmas yet - and at the moment I’d be happy to finish anywhere bar the relegation places and win the Europa!
 
City (A)
Bournemouth (H)
Wolves (A)
Newcastle (H)
Liverpool (A)

I see maybe one win in that. There is two almost guaranteed losses to City and Liverpool. Newcastle regularly do us these days. Might win one of the Wolves/Bournemouth matches.

We're into the new year then and the gap to the bottom three will be closer. These things can snowball.
 
We will remain a mid table club for a few years.

I think its time we all accept that, relax, and enjoy the good games when they happen. Much better for the Psyche.
 
The chances of it happening are so tiny that's it's not really worth considering.

The Premier League went to a 38 game season in 95/96, so 29 completed seasons with that many games. In 2022/23 Leeds were 7 points clear of the relegation zone after 15 games and went down. That's the record for points clear at that stage for a team that went down in the end as far as I can make out.

We are 10 clear, could be 7 if Wolves win tomorrow night. Does that make it as much as 1 in 29 chance even if Wolves win because it happpened once in 29 years? No, it's even less of a chance because there's so many more teams than that who survived while 7 clear or less at this stage.

We're also not a relative newcomer to the league and have many more highly paid players than Leeds did. Counts for a lot.

If Wolves don't win tomorrow something completely unprecedented would have to happen for us to drop if we're not there already.
 
Shane88 said:
City (A)
Bournemouth (H)
Wolves (A)
Newcastle (H)
Liverpool (A)

I see maybe one win in that. There is two almost guaranteed losses to City and Liverpool. Newcastle regularly do us these days. Might win one of the Wolves/Bournemouth matches.

We're into the new year then and the gap to the bottom three will be closer. These things can snowball.
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Yes, it’s not unthinkable we’ll lose 4 of those. If we get hammered by Liverpool coming off a bad run, we could go in to free fall. It’s not beyond outrageous to think that, particularly with the added pressure of the exposure United get compared to smaller clubs in the EPL.
 
We will win some, we will lose some, also known as a mid table club. Nothing has changed in that department contrary to all the other ones...
 
United are currently 250/1 to be relegated
 
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