Think people are struggling to adjust to the new reality in terms of transfer fees. Whatever figure you're thinking a player is worth based on last summer - double it for this summer. £15m is chump change now.
Reece Oxford
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That's a shitload of money for a 17yo that has barely played for the first team. Is he really better than Fosu-Mensah or Roshaun Williams?
Not too fussed about money frankly. If he goes on to be the player he is supposed to be then he will most likely stay for at least 5 years (could even be 15 years as he will only be 32 then) and this will look a meagre amount
Regarding his position, I saw an interview of his a couple months back and he said that West Ham have moved him further down the pitch over the years, from CM to DM to CB. He made his debut at DM as well so I'd imagine that's where we want him so it wouldn't affect Tuanzebe, Williams and Poole that much.
Very comfortable on the ball and can drive into space well, I'd be all for it. Also over the complaints over value, as a few have already mentioned, TV money has now inflated the market. A lot of the fees I'm already seeing seem to be +£10m on what they would've been previously. If the club were to not conform, quite simply we'd get left behind so I'd say get used to it.
Very comfortable on the ball and can drive into space well, I'd be all for it. Also over the complaints over value, as a few have already mentioned, TV money has now inflated the market. A lot of the fees I'm already seeing seem to be +£10m on what they would've been previously. If the club were to not conform, quite simply we'd get left behind so I'd say get used to it.
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yeh couldnt agree more here, this is a minuscule fee in the modern game
£15m is a lot of money, nut not in todays market. You could end up paying nearly 30m for an established bag of shit....like Fellaini. Havent seen much of him but if he does have massive potential I dont think anything up oto £20m is really that bad especially considering the important fact that he is English which always inflates the price. What I have seen of him is he really that different to Mensah? Considering bar Smalling this season the fact just about all our centre backs and central midfielders have been average at best Im all for signing him, this is the type of signing we have made traditionally over the last 15-20 years or so, it is only the last 2-3 years (bar Veron) we have gone against the "we dont buy stars we make them" ethos......Mata, Di Maria, Falcao, Schweinsteiger....hasnt rally worked out well has it.
I read the lastest reports of us signing 3 qualiy players for the spine which is great, a couple of big potential signings like this would be good also though. Thing concerns me most is how suddenly the press doesnt seem to think we are after a right sided attacker. I still see longer term Martial up front so that leaves us with Depay, Young, Valencia, Lingaard and Januzaj that could play pn the wings and for different reasons none of them PRESENTLY fill me with hope.
I read the lastest reports of us signing 3 qualiy players for the spine which is great, a couple of big potential signings like this would be good also though. Thing concerns me most is how suddenly the press doesnt seem to think we are after a right sided attacker. I still see longer term Martial up front so that leaves us with Depay, Young, Valencia, Lingaard and Januzaj that could play pn the wings and for different reasons none of them PRESENTLY fill me with hope.
So, what have they achieved to make the gulf smaller?
The difference in the appreciation of Rojo in the Newbies forum and here is massive. That said, I fully agree he's garbage and one of the worst players I've seen play for us regularly in the last 20 years. A tea spoon, hungover Ed Woodward and bringing Quinton Fortune out of retirement are all better options than him. He's played LCB in a 3 and in a 4 and a left back in a 4 and has been pathetic. Jack (Rodwell) of all trades, master of none.
Remember him coming in for a couple of games and doing really well, more notably, against Arsenal.
We have got some good youngsters coming through, but if we can get this kid, who is very highly rated, then why not?
We have got some good youngsters coming through, but if we can get this kid, who is very highly rated, then why not?
How much better is he than TFM, Williams, Tuanzebe Poole? I don't think by much at all. The only positive is that we are keeping him away from our rivals, other than that I'm quite happy with the ones mentioned.
Thing is if he does come .. doesn't necessarily have to be a rival - one may end up at CB and the other as a DM.
I'm not sure how much better he is, but he's a very highly rated player. If there's a chance of getting him, then we should, in my opinion.
Who rates him highly though? I'm not sure West Ham are so impressed with him after all - where's he been all season? He looks pretty pish on the ball for a CM and, as with all young CBs, needs to improve his defensive positioning. Don't get why we'd be after him when we have a number of good youngsters in those positions already. We either need a more developed player or he has to be something truly special unless of course it's a cheap £2m punt or something.
Not disputing that, but that is a lot of money for a player with only 7 apps. Then again, there is always the £10m premium for English players.
Well we must do if we're looking to pay 15M for him.
Do you think we are? I can't see why we would. Not really Jose's style is it, especially when we've got our own youngsters in the same position who are already breaking into the first team squad.
If it is true that Jose wants to play youngsters in Europa and COC then it makes sense though that the youngsters in our squad who deserves it may get their chance
Moore and Rio? I think the fact they're separated by some 50 years makes that a fairly daft point. If we're just looking at last 20-30 years the most talented English centre halves to come through have probably been:
Rio (West Ham)
Campbell (Spurs)
Woodgate (Leeds)
King (Spurs)
Terry (Chelsea)
Carragher (Liverpool)
Smalling (Fulham ish)
Brown (Man Utd)
A pretty mixed provenance really.
What's your point exactly? There's a big gap in terms of years between Best and Giggs. That doesn't tarnish United's ability to develop top class wingers.
Also none of those defenders are even near to Rio and Moore.
Terry was at West Ham till he was 15. Sol Campbell also had a stint at west ham.
If he turns into another Rio im up for it.
It kind of does. Having a tradition of bringing through young players doesn't necessarily mean you can now. Nor does it mean you can't of course.
And Campbell, King, Terry and Woodgate were all absolutely class talents. Nowhere near Rio my balls. Rio was marginally better than the others.
Until 14 actually. But true, West Ham are certainly frequently in the mix in terms of developing talent. Not the only ones who do though by any means.
Is this the kid that made his debut at like 16 a few years back? My memory is hazy but I swore he was a midfielder.
Buying good young players for the future is great, as long as it's in addition to 'finished articles', which I'm sure will be the case. Although saying that, he was really good on his debut as a 16 year old, so similar performances could see him compete for a first team place.
Worst case scenario, you move him on for a similar price, so no real risk to the deal.
Worst case scenario, you move him on for a similar price, so no real risk to the deal.
If I was WHU I would snap that up - £8million for a kid who had a good debut. Chances are he won't develop into anything special given how difficult it is to establish yourself in the PL as a young player. Would Rashford and co had a chance if there hadn't been so many injuries? Definitely not. Only way I see this happening is if Mou starts loaning out all these young players like at Chelsea.
If you are getting even half of £8million for academy products with limited first team experience you have a seriously lucrative youth system.
If you are getting even half of £8million for academy products with limited first team experience you have a seriously lucrative youth system.
That will obviously only happen for the rare gem coming through the ranks, and is not representative of the system in general.
Sign him up. Don't care about price because it's not my money. And he has exciting potential
An offer would only make sense if it was riddled with performance based incentives
I hope he's not the next Jack Rodwell
This is not just any random youth player though. He is West Ham's youngest ever player to make his debut and is the captain for their U-21 side (that won the U-21 PL Cup) despite being 16 for most part of the season.
Well if that's where his future lies, then I'm board with this.
For such age, kid looks already like physically developed defender. If he's something in mood of Tim Mensah then we should have no fear in trying the youth instead of constantly forcing Blind to play in defense... and I'm sure Maureen will reinforce lineup with some beast of a defender, anyway.
If we wait and scout further someone may hijack the deal or price may go seriously up as soon as he'll start receiving more PL games. Anything below 20 millions should be no problem for Woodward to cover it, even from his own pocket but this deal would send a message that English core still matters in Manchester United, so why not ?
If we wait and scout further someone may hijack the deal or price may go seriously up as soon as he'll start receiving more PL games. Anything below 20 millions should be no problem for Woodward to cover it, even from his own pocket but this deal would send a message that English core still matters in Manchester United, so why not ?
At least we no longer have Moyes telling him to learn Jagielka's defense art or feck off into midfield, so there's hope for the future.
Second this. He is known to have great mental strength and actual leadership (we severely needs this asset at many level by the look of it). For a defender his age, he is very calm and well position. He doesn't throw himself to ground rashly in contrast to someone like our TFM. He's one of the actual most prominent up coming faces English talent bracket aka Shaw, Jones, Rooney... and United is always a big fan.
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The thing is couldn't the same be said of Oxford? him, Williams, TFM, Tuanzebe and Poole are all very young and still honing their game. I am just surprised we are seemingly about to pay £15M for a kid who plays a position where we already have several of our own at the same age of development.
Why are you laughing - they just said the gulf isn't as big as it used to. Of course it isn't! They are right!
There's something very Bayern esque about us buying up the best national talent. I like it.
What a bizarre sentiment. By your logic there's no point looking at young players then because it's unlikely they'll ever be good enough. This obviously ignores the fact that some players evidently do prove to be good enough - unless you think PL footballers appear out of thin air at 25 years old.
Thought he was a Midfielder, £15 million seems a lot, but it's not my money so go for it.
Unsure where you're reading the above... My point is that £8million (or even less) for someone I consider unproven would be very attractive to WHU. Would you not agree it is more likely he will not become a top player than become one? Nothing against him but PL is ridiculously competitive/many foreign players/WHU transforming into a bigger club makes it even harder.
Obviously some youth players do go on and become great senior players but for every Marcus Rashford there are so many more guys who never make it. Couple that with football being a business and I don't see why me thinking WHU should sell is so crazy.