Reece Oxford

Devil may care said:
The thing is couldn't the same be said of Oxford? him, Williams, TFM, Tuanzebe and Poole are all very young and still honing their game. I am just surprised we are seemingly about to pay £15M for a kid who plays a position where we already have several of our own at the same age of development.
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The point is you can never have enough good talents and there's every chance that TFM or Tuanzebe or Oxford will end up at DM or other positions.We need to be more aggressive in recruitment at every level.Plus beside Smalling there's no other senior CB option that look like they'll stay here for a long time.
 
khoazany said:
The point is you can never have enough good talents and there's every chance that TFM or Tuanzebe or Oxford will end up at DM or other positions.We need to be more aggressive in recruitment at every level.Plus beside Smalling there's no other senior CB option that look like they'll stay here for a long time.
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Recruitment ast that age group doesn't usually set you back £15M, I mean Oxford will likely go into the U21's this coming season.
 
TwoSheds said:
Moore and Rio? I think the fact they're separated by some 50 years makes that a fairly daft point. If we're just looking at last 20-30 years the most talented English centre halves to come through have probably been:

Rio (West Ham)
Campbell (Spurs)
Woodgate (Leeds)
King (Spurs)
Terry (Chelsea)
Carragher (Liverpool)
Smalling (Fulham ish)
Brown (Man Utd)

A pretty mixed provenance really.
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He meant Rio and Terry I'd imagine. Yes, Terry was at West Ham first.
 
Devil may care said:
Recruitment ast that age group doesn't usually set you back £15M, I mean Oxford will likely go into the U21's this coming season.
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I don't think so.When you sign someone for 15 mil he would be at least back up to the first team.There's every chance that Rojo will leave the club (every decent manager can see that he's not good enough) and/or even Jones.
 
khoazany said:
I don't think so.When you sign someone for 15 mil he would be at least back up to the first team.There's every chance that Rojo will leave the club (every decent manager can see that he's not good enough) and/or even Jones.
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If he comes in as 4th choice CB though I just can't help but think it's a knock to the likes of TFM who are ready for that spot to be theirs next season.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
Nearly everyone has said the same about Pogba.
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Not comparable at all. Firstly Pogba was 18-19 years old the season he left compared to Oxford's 16-17. Two years at that stage of the career makes a massive difference. You can't demand regular playing time when you're 16 no matter how good you think you are. Secondly WH have been punching above their weight all season. Their midfield has been outstanding. There simply hasn't been room for him in the team. Pogba however wasn't even trusted upon when there was an injury crisis. Fergie started with Rafael and Park in the midfield against Blackburn and had his ass handed to him.

Pogba leaving due to lack of playing time was totally justifiable. If Pereira wants to leave due to lack of playing time this summer then that's also justifiable. At 19-20 if you aren't even given regular sub apps then you should consider leaving. But if you're 17 like Ødegaard and Oxford then there's no such thing as 'leaving due to lack of playing time'.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Unsure where you're reading the above... My point is that £8million (or even less) for someone I consider unproven would be very attractive to WHU. Would you not agree it is more likely he will not become a top player than become one? Nothing against him but PL is ridiculously competitive/many foreign players/WHU transforming into a bigger club makes it even harder.

Obviously some youth players do go on and become great senior players but for every Marcus Rashford there are so many more guys who never make it. Couple that with football being a business and I don't see why me thinking WHU should sell is so crazy.
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To say not all young players go on to become top players, or indeed good enough to play regularly in the PL is obvious.

My point is that the club will no doubt evaluate players through watching them extensively, speaking to people who know them, looking into their background and all manner of other things. I suspect nothing is left to chance in trying to identify those players who have the talent, temperament and ambition to get to the top.

If, after all that they believe the player is worth spending substantial sums on then they do so because they believe that while there is no guarantees, there's a good chance they will be good enough to contribute.

The simple fact is young talented players cost significant sums, but a player who is "proven" to a level will cost three or four times that sum. Identifying young players is an exercise of mitigating risk in the hope that the player who would have cost you £50 million in two years only costs you £10 million now.

Likewise, West Ham probably aren't in a position where £10 million will make a huge difference to them. If he fulfils his potential he might be worth substantially more. As such, you could see why they may not want to if they believe he is destined for the top of the game.
 
Interesting. I guess the rumours we were after him have gone quiet then?
 
I would like to see more players go and develop there game outside of Britain. Not just for the footballing aspect but the lifestyle one too.
 
Mail, mirror and The Sun are all reporting that United are looking at Reece Oxford

Could be a good signing for the future, if true. But West Ham's owners run that club like it's a football manager game, so it's difficult to see them selling
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Mail, mirror and The Sun are all reporting that United are looking at Reece Oxford

Could be a good signing for the future, if true. But West Ham's owners run that club like it's a football manager game, so it's difficult to see them selling
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He will be absolutely silly to come here....with the signings we have made, the competition for places, Moruinho not being the best with youth players...
He should stay at West Ham and move later on his career.
 
sammyvine said:
He will be absolutely silly to come here....with the signings we have made, the competition for places, Moruinho not being the best with youth players...
He should stay at West Ham and move later on his career.
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Not true. Mourinho plays young players if they happen to be good enough and fit his profile. Mourinho tends to favor defenders more than other positions in term of trusting youngster. Glenn Johnson, Santon, Varane, Robert Huth. So if Mourinho rates him as a defensive player and sanctions, then the chance of him being integrated as first team is high. We have quantity but still lack in reliability term. Jones' fitness is terrible, Rojo is pointless player, Blind is not real CB (have doubt he fits Mourinho's profile), McNair is not real defender. So only Bailly who yet to play for us, and Smalling seem to be in good book. Young ones like TFM, Tuanzebe,... would need to prove themselves to persuade Mourinho not to sign this Oxford guy. It's a healthy competition there.
 
I don't see the rationale for signing him. We have plenty of young players in defensive positions who are likely to be at least as good. He had fewer appearances last season than TFM and was clearly inferior (to the extent of looking out of his depth after the first one). Maybe he'll develop into a player but there's certainly no guarantee.
 
ravelston said:
I don't see the rationale for signing him. We have plenty of young players in defensive positions who are likely to be at least as good. He had fewer appearances last season than TFM and was clearly inferior (to the extent of looking out of his depth after the first one). Maybe he'll develop into a player but there's certainly no guarantee.
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increase 'home grown' quota as well as the obvious potential

the way I look at transfers this summer is that Mo has had 6 months of where he's used the time to extensively scout/appraise players, so anyone he's after he rates highly
 
golden_blunder said:
increase 'home grown' quota as well as the obvious potential

the way I look at transfers this summer is that Mo has had 6 months of where he's used the time to extensively scout/appraise players, so anyone he's after he rates highly
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Agree with this. End of the day, looking at our first team squad, there aren't too many English (I know homegrown goes beyond this) players. Carrick will probably be gone next season too so it makes sense to get ahead of the situation now and not end up having to buy players like Steve Sidwell like Chelsea did. Also, the potential seems to be there.
 
golden_blunder said:
increase 'home grown' quota as well as the obvious potential

the way I look at transfers this summer is that Mo has had 6 months of where he's used the time to extensively scout/appraise players, so anyone he's after he rates highly
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And the thing with potential is that, you never have enough of them. There are many failure until getting a right one. Having some good potential in hand shouldn't prevent us from signing more potential. There is a long way and many risk for a potential to become an established player. SAF takes huge pride of moulding Ronaldo to stardom the same as our own academy players.
 
golden_blunder said:
increase 'home grown' quota as well as the obvious potential

the way I look at transfers this summer is that Mo has had 6 months of where he's used the time to extensively scout/appraise players, so anyone he's after he rates highly
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He is underage so he won't even be registered and TFM, Williams, Axel etc. will all be home grown anyway.

ti vu said:
And the thing with potential is that, you never have enough of them. There are many failure until getting a right one. Having some good potential in hand shouldn't prevent us from signing more potential. There is a long way and many risk for a potential to become an established player. SAF takes huge pride of moulding Ronaldo to stardom the same as our own academy players.
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You can have enough of them as their is limited game time to go around already when you start having 4-6 high potential players who all play the same position you are just stalling the development of them as none or most won't get a chance to play enough.
 
limerickcitykid said:
He is underage so he won't even be registered and TFM, Williams, Axel etc. will all be home grown anyway.


You can have enough of them as their is limited game time to go around already when you start having 4-6 high potential players who all play the same position you are just stalling the development of them as none or most won't get a chance to play enough.
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Not necessarily. You can sell them with buy back clause. While Barcelona doesn't necessarily have buy back clause for some of their players, you can see they buy quite some former academy players back: Pique, Cesc, Alba, Dennis Suarez... They wanted Nolito back, has buy back clause for Deulofeu...

If we scout well and sell well, we would have enough talent while giving them enough game time to develop.
 
As much as Guardiola is a pull he would be mad to go there. He's better off at West Ham for the next couple of years imo
 
Poor lad. Hell get pulled in by the cash and xboxes in the academy centre then theyll fob him off to Sunderland or Hull in a year or two see Jack Rodwell.
 
MartialsBeard said:
Poor lad. Hell get pulled in by the cash and xboxes in the academy centre then theyll fob him off to Sunderland or Hull in a year or two see Jack Rodwell.
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Exactly the name that popped into my head.

That said, i understand Pep likes youngsters because they are more likely to do as instructed.
 
I just don't get the fuss over this guy. He doesn't look very talented. What are people seeing? I never understood what was so great about Rodwell and the same is true of Micah Richards.

I'm not saying he's a bad player, but other than being both mentally and physically mature, is Oxford really that talented? If he was foreign, would anyone in this country even noticed him?
 
redmeister said:
I just don't get the fuss over this guy. He doesn't look very talented. What are people seeing? I never understood what was so great about Rodwell and the same is true of Micah Richards.

I'm not saying he's a bad player, but other than being both mentally and physically mature, is Oxford really that talented? If he was foreign, would anyone in this country even noticed him?
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I do not think anyone here has seen enough to really make a judgement. He is only 17 and has had very little first team experience.
 
redmeister said:
I just don't get the fuss over this guy. He doesn't look very talented. What are people seeing? I never understood what was so great about Rodwell and the same is true of Micah Richards.

I'm not saying he's a bad player, but other than being both mentally and physically mature, is Oxford really that talented? If he was foreign, would anyone in this country even noticed him?
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He's very comfortable on the ball and played well for England U19s in the U19s Euro this summer (one year up from his true age group).
 
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