Film RedCafe's Favourite Movies Of All Time Contest (ROUND 8)
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I actually get that. I remember watching Interstellar in the cinema. The first two hours I was blown away. As you have said, great imagery, great sound. Pure bombast. Thrilling throughout. And then they got Anne Hathaway talking about love as a power that can travel throughout the universe. It was like, to stay with your analogy, someone was very gently stroking my balls and just before I got to the point, they kicked me right into it. And I'm not much of a fan of stuff like this. ^^I actually agree with most of this. However, and I say this as a massive sci fi fan, I genuinely believe peoples annoyance with Nolan (which is sometimes completely justified btw) carries over / blinds people to how great a movie Interstellar actually is. Yeah sure it's a blockbuster and there's holes in it, no argument, but to someone who is just fascinated and overawed with space and the possibilities it holds, Insterstellar is right up there. The visuals and soundtrack are amazing.
It's a very imperfect spectacle of a film but it's also got a level of grounding with blight killing our crops that, as someone who's job it is to combat blight (my industry), I can't help but be invested because the scenario is actually not that far removed from a potential real world crisis. I agree it's a big movie that maybe over-reaches and tries to do too much but I'd rather that from my sci fi than tidy little clinical packages that don't reach too far. After all, isn't that what sci fi is? It's big, it's fun.
Anyway, this is just my opinion of course but I love movies, big and small but Interstellar completely strokes my balls
You seen The Vast Of The Night? It's on Amazon Prime. Brilliant low key sci-fi.I actually agree with most of this. However, and I say this as a massive sci fi fan, I genuinely believe peoples annoyance with Nolan (which is sometimes completely justified btw) carries over / blinds people to how great a movie Interstellar actually is. Yeah sure it's a blockbuster and there's holes in it, no argument, but to someone who is just fascinated and overawed with space and the possibilities it holds, Insterstellar is right up there. The visuals and soundtrack are amazing.
It's a very imperfect spectacle of a film but it's also got a level of grounding with blight killing our crops that, as someone who's job it is to combat blight (my industry), I can't help but be invested because the scenario is actually not that far removed from a potential real world crisis. I agree it's a big movie that maybe over-reaches and tries to do too much but I'd rather that from my sci fi than tidy little clinical packages that don't reach too far. After all, isn't that what sci fi is? It's big, it's fun.
Anyway, this is just my opinion of course but I love movies, big and small but Interstellar completely strokes my balls
Don't start a war ya knobberYou think cartoons are made for adults?
I felt like this verbatim.
Yeah it's pretty good. Also, I edited my post slightly as I thought it came across as a little passive aggressive, which wasn't my intention
No worries, I wasn't offended at all!
I never really came across people like that myself. Usually, I hear that exact line more from people that only like arthouse movies and look down on anything else.
Probably not if you actually enjoyed Fury Road which was probably the most frustrating and lazy movie I've ever seen after taking into account expectations and critical reviews and Oscar nominations. Probably the worst writing I've seen in a movie that got an Oscar nomination for Best Picture. I don't think there was a single Best Picture nominee I hated more than Fury Road.
1. Predator
2. Total Recall
3. The Empire Strikes Back
4. The Matrix
5. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
2. Total Recall
3. The Empire Strikes Back
4. The Matrix
5. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Hehe
I had someone use that line on me for disliking the openendedness of a coupe of Coen Brother films (probably A Serious Man and Inside Llewyn Davis). Does that count or will it lead to another war? I'll add No Country For Old Man if it helps.
Nah, right there with you except that it stops with Batman Begins for me. Imho it's mostly pretentious bombast cinema with very little content. Visuals being his strongest trait but albeit being very professional lack soul and appear rather bland imho. But to each their own.
Paprika is a good shout, been ages I've seen it. There is another rather underrated anime called Metropolis. Like Grave of the Fireflies or Jin Roh (which would suit this genre). I'd add Ghost in the Shell which is right up there with the best sci-fi. Sequel is decent as well.
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Silent Running
3. Planet of the Apes
4. Robocop
5. Blade Runner
2. Silent Running
3. Planet of the Apes
4. Robocop
5. Blade Runner
The only thing that could have made it better was Cage taking Arnie’s role.
…. obviously we’d then have to put it in the comedy category.
There's room for Cage and Arnie in the same film
1. Interstellar
2. Solaris (2002)
3. The Matrix
4. Contact
5. Blade Runner
2. Solaris (2002)
3. The Matrix
4. Contact
5. Blade Runner
I had someone use that line on me for disliking the openendedness of a coupe of Coen Brother films (probably A Serious Man and Inside Llewyn Davis). Does that count or will it lead to another war? I'll add No Country For Old Man if it helps.
I think the problem with lines like "you just didn't understand it" or "that's just a stupid person's idea of a smart movie" and variations is that both are just counter-productive and poorly thought-out and little more than just indirect insults for what people like and enjoy and don't like. They assert this superiority in the asserter that their opinions are just objectively better than someone else. Basically, they are saying "you are stupid if you like or dislike this movie" so whatever we hear it in response to, it tends to just put us off. I think everyone has movies (and books for that matter) that might speak powerfully to them but not to others and that's not a bad thing. I think its awesome that a film or book that I personally don't find interesting can still spark intense, positive feelings in others and we can all probably be a little more empathetic on stuff we don't like but others do (except if it's Fury Road
The second theme from your post is that of the open-ended ending, which is definitely controversial in all storytelling forms, from literary to blockbuster movies. I think its a tricky topic where sometimes I can see the value in the open-ended ending and sometimes it just feels like poor writing to not tie things together better. I tend to take those on a case-by-case basis but I can see why some people feel that ending can ruin something for them.
And yes, I sidestepped the issue about Coen Brothers films in particular
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- Aliens
- Terminator 2
- Blade Runner
- The Matrix
- Starship Troopers
I think the problem with lines like "you just didn't understand it" or "that's just a stupid person's idea of a smart movie" and variations are both just counter-productive and poorly thought-out comments because they are little more than just indirect insults for what people like and enjoy and don't like. They assert this superiority in the asserter that their opinions are just objectively better than someone else. Basically, they are saying "you are stupid if you like or dislike this movie" so whatever we hear it in response to, it tends to just put us off. I think everyone has movies (and books for that matter) that might speak powerfully to them but not to others and that's not a bad thing. I think its awesome that a film or book that I personally don't find interesting can still spark intense, positive feelings in others and we can all probably be a little more empathetic on stuff we don't like but others do (except if it's Fury Road
The second theme from your post is that of the open-ended ending, which is definitely controversial in all storytelling forms, from literary to blockbuster movies. I think its a tricky topic where sometimes I can see the value in the open-ended ending and sometimes it just feels like poor writing to not tie things together better. I tend to take those on a case-by-case basis but I can see why some people feel that ending can ruin something for them.
And yes, I sidestepped the issue about Coen Brothers films in particular
I love how what you're describing amounts to this
@Sweet Square knows
Terminator 2 was the first movie to make it to the KO round (in the very first round of the contest) so feel free to remove that.
How so? It's a fun dialogue but not really the point I was making.
Well, not what you said directly but rather your take-down of film snobbery and the idea of 'not getting it'.
The context of this clip is that she's a former director who meets a guy in a bar and hopes he might be a potential romance match but she can't get over him enjoying Nolan and disliking Ozu.
She hasn't matured enough to accept people can be moved by something that doesn't move her.
1 - 2001
2 - Blade Runner
3 - Stalker
4 - The Empire Strikes Back
5 - Under the Skin
2 - Blade Runner
3 - Stalker
4 - The Empire Strikes Back
5 - Under the Skin
Okay, fair enough, that makes sense.
I must be thick because I never realized Nolan was so polarizingGood to see some love for Under the Skin here.
I approve of this change.
Moons feckin brilliant
You know, just since you stanned for Predator, there was a poster I knew about 20 years ago on another forum that very firmly argued that Predator was the greatest post-modern film ever made. I have to say his arguments influenced my choice of Predator for this round
Interstellar was poo
1. Moon
2. Blade Runner
3. Children of Men
4. 5th Element
5. 12 Monkeys
2. Blade Runner
3. Children of Men
4. 5th Element
5. 12 Monkeys
It's because he sets the bar so high.Okay, fair enough, that makes sense.
I watched it (8/10) along with Gattaca (7/10) in preparation for this round and it still held up. Gattaca was…okay I guess. It was not ‘Interstellar minus the last act’ good.
I once walked into work after watching Predator and said "just watched the best film ever" and a guy popped his head up and said "what? Predator?"
We've remained friend since that day
They were apparently passed over for the main roles in The Nice Guys. Unbelievable Jeff.There's room for Cage and Arnie in the same film
That. Would. Been. AMAZING!!
For silly things like politics I’m an idealist but when it comes to serious matters like this, compromise is inevitable.
Same as yourself I honestly just don’t get why so many people like it. The best theory I have is Nolan films are like those very realistic oil painting or pencil drawings that always get massive numbers online. It’s very impressive as a technical achievement but it’s not Van Gogh.
The weird thing is I like listening to Nolan talk about movies. The guy is very sincere for his love of film. Just never personally really get any of that from his films.
Don’t want to say anything that might spoil it, tbh it took me a while to really get it but yeah it’s a must watch. Also the full movie is up on the Mosfilm YouTube channel, completely free in 1080p with English subtitles.
Have to disagree. If Fury Road was just another typical action film it would have ended when they got to the all woman camp and then had a final big defensive battle with the bad guys.
What makes Fury Road great imo, is that Charlize Theron fantasy idea of a utopian identity land turns out to be shite. And rather then picking the options of continuing to run or to stay, she instead picks a third more radical option which is to embrace the universal and go back to the Citadel and use it’s tools for good of everyone (It’s actually cultural Marxism done correctly).
Honestly had that video ready to post. Although you’ve misread that scene as it’s clearly about showing the audience that lee chan-sil is a woman of great compassion and emotional intelligence, because she all her will power to not glass that guy in the back of the head for his stupid opinions about movies!
I'm actually looking forward to the thriller round because for once, my choices are actually really good
- Empire
- Star Wars (I’m not lumping them)
- Close encounters (not seen many votes for this, fantastic film)
- Terminator II
- interstellar
), Metropolis (ground breaking but feels it’s age), Silent Running and Arrival (I liked it). Also Jurassic Park (through in other round?)Is Left Behind one?I'm actually looking forward to the thriller round because for once, my choices are actually really good
Yeah, I should have phrased that differently actually. Open endings can be great and very powerful, depending on the narrative/events so far. A lot of films that are primarily about exposing a problematic situation in society should probably actually end open-ended (at least to some extent), rather than having the sort of cathartic ending where everything comes together (or ends in ruin) for the story's protagnists - causes that suggests the situation is now over (for better or worse), while in everyday reality nothing has actually changed.I think the problem with lines like "you just didn't understand it" or "that's just a stupid person's idea of a smart movie" and variations is that both are just counter-productive and poorly thought-out and little more than just indirect insults for what people like and enjoy and don't like. They assert this superiority in the asserter that their opinions are just objectively better than someone else. Basically, they are saying "you are stupid if you like or dislike this movie" so whatever we hear it in response to, it tends to just put us off. I think everyone has movies (and books for that matter) that might speak powerfully to them but not to others and that's not a bad thing. I think its awesome that a film or book that I personally don't find interesting can still spark intense, positive feelings in others and we can all probably be a little more empathetic on stuff we don't like but others do (except if it's Fury Road
The second theme from your post is that of the open-ended ending, which is definitely controversial in all storytelling forms, from literary to blockbuster movies. I think its a tricky topic where sometimes I can see the value in the open-ended ending and sometimes it just feels like poor writing to not tie things together better. I tend to take those on a case-by-case basis but I can see why some people feel that ending can ruin something for them.
And for the Coen films, thinking of it more, the person actually said this in a way that suggested that the Coen's are just that deep/smart - cause my response was something like 'well, I'm not stupid, have seens lots of films, have really tried very hard to get it, and I don't - so I'm declaring these a lost cause'.
Of course, emotional state also come into it. If the film is trying to evoke a feeling/emotion rather than a specific point, and that feeling/emotion really doesn't resonate with you at that point in time, then it's not gonna do anything for you.
Pity.And yes, I sidestepped the issue about Coen Brothers films in particular
(I generally like them actually, probably just except those films, and mostly because I felt deceived at the end.)
T2 already through budWas considering Eternal Sunshine, Forbidden Planet (scary as a kid and Leslie Nielsen straight acting
- Empire
- Star Wars (I’m not lumping them)
- Close encounters (not seen many votes for this, fantastic film)
- Terminator II
- interstellar