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Mister_Stubbs said:
Not any mention of he's petulance still.
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There won't be (Although I didn't think it was that bad) as whether or not them mean to they are hyping Judge to be potential one of the greats. You can see the reasoning as at the moment Ronnie's really the only draw in snooker at moment and the last few years. So when he goes so does a lot of fans and any sort of media courage.

But I agree it's fecking annoying.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Might just be me but at 9-5 Judd body language when at the table looked like he wanted to just give up, he started to just hit and hope some what.
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No he was acting like a big girl who was about to cry. I think the same as you, it put Ronnie off as he became so lackadaisical during that period.
 
Cheesy said:
Surely that's something that would've arguably benefited O'Sullivan though?
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It could have done but it can also if you like annoy an opponent when you think of unwritten rules like you don't concede whilst opponent is on a break etc
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
It could have done but it can also if you like annoy an opponent when you think of unwritten rules like you don't concede whilst opponent is on a break etc
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True, although O'Sullivan hasn't always been the most sporting player either. Looks like he's won now, well done to him.
 
Sweet Square said:
There won't be (Although I didn't think it was that bad) as whether or not them mean to they are hyping Judge to be potential one of the greats. You can see the reasoning as at the moment Ronnie's really the only draw in snooker at moment and the last few years. So when he goes so does a lot of fans and any sort of media courage.

But I agree it's fecking annoying.
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Don't get me wrong he is A very talented player but many people like him because he hits it hard and plays like Jimmy White.
 
Cheesy said:
True, although O'Sullivan hasn't always been the most sporting player either. Looks like he's won now, well done to him.
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Oh yeah I agree mate but it's not just this match Judd has acted like this but as always no one says anything.

Well played Ronnie, real show of character to win that after the comeback and also fair play to Judd at the end there.
 
Sweet Square said:
Yeah the talent there but it's not at the scale people are saying(His final shot showed that)
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It can't be put down to inexperience either, just a horrible shot selection. The guy will win major tournaments but up there with Ronnie? Not in my opinion.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
It can't be put down to inexperience either, just a horrible shot selection. The guy will win major tournaments but up there with Ronnie? Not in my opinion.
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He still could end up being that good. He's very erratic and his shot selection is sometimes awful, but the talent and ability is evidently there. When he plays there, he's capable of some incredible snooker and some mindblowing shots. He's still doing relatively well, so if he can continue to improve it's not unrealistic to think he could end up being a top, top player.
 
He could still be that good? Ronnie was moping things up at 17 not 27 which is how old Judd is. He isn't a young puppy and he won't be cuing like that in his mid 30's. He has no safety game whatsoever either. Fantastic potter of the ball but Robertson, Ding are better than Judd and are similar age.
 
MajorTom said:
He could still be that good? Ronnie was moping things up at 17 not 27 which is how old Judd is. He isn't a young puppy and he won't be cuing like that in his mid 30's. He has no safety game whatsoever either. Fantastic potter of the ball but Robertson, Ding are better than Judd and are similar age.
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Judd is 25, no?
 
Even so, he is nothing compared to Ronnie. The only other player to play snooker who comes anywhere near Ronnie is Alex Higgins. I could name 20 odd players better than what Judd will ever become and the competition isn't at the same standard in terms of depth any longer. Stuart Bingham is a bloody top player these days.
 
MajorTom said:
Even so, he is nothing compared to Ronnie. The only other player to play snooker who comes anywhere near Ronnie is Alex Higgins. I could name 20 odd players better than what Judd will ever become and the competition isn't at the same standard in terms of depth any longer. Stuart Bingham is a bloody top player these days.
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Disagree on depth. Bingham is near the top because the new ranking system rewards consistency and those that are prepared to graft all across the world. You could argue it's contributed to the depth in that the likes of Bingham have improved immeasurably as a result.

I'm not a fan of Trump, though, I agree there. Ding is a considerably better all-rounder.
 
MajorTom said:
Even so, he is nothing compared to Ronnie. The only other player to play snooker who comes anywhere near Ronnie is Alex Higgins. I could name 20 odd players better than what Judd will ever become and the competition isn't at the same standard in terms of depth any longer. Stuart Bingham is a bloody top player these days.
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He's a good player who consistently does well. There's plenty of depth in snooker, lots of really good players out there. Trump probably won't achieve as much as O'Sullivan, but he's still sort of got the potential there, although if he doesn't do it in the next couple of years he won't at all.
 
MajorTom said:
and the competition isn't at the same standard in terms of depth any longer.
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That's absolute bollocks. Snooker maybe struggling in terms of TV audiences and money. But, the level of snooker has never been higher as the facts prove, there's far more competition than there's ever been. Ask Stephen Hendry or Steve Davis what they think.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
It can't be put down to inexperience either, just a horrible shot selection. The guy will win major tournaments but up there with Ronnie? Not in my opinion.
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I think he's just got a shite safety game, hard to know if he will improve as like you said he's not some young kid any more. I agree he will win some major tournaments but he's won't ever be near Ronnie but then who is ?
 
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Is it just me or were the commentators really trying to talk it up as much as they could but despite the comeback it didn't really feel like a great final/tournament?
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
Is it just me or were the commentators really trying to talk it up as much as they could but despite the comeback it didn't really feel like a great final/tournament?
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They seemed to make a big deal out of Judd comeback which was good no question but at 9-4 it's easy to play freely so to speak but no one seemed to mention the strength of character shown by Ronnie to win the decider despite having to sit in the chair and watch he's healthy lead disappear.
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
Is it just me or were the commentators really trying to talk it up as much as they could but despite the comeback it didn't really feel like a great final/tournament?
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Yeah it was hardly great you would of thought they were talking about the World Final between Davis and Taylor.

It was good but nothing special(The only real highlight of the tournament I can think of was Ronnie's 147),
MajorTom said:
The only other player to play snooker who comes anywhere near Ronnie is Alex Higgins.
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Agree I don't I seen a player more talent then them two. Also considering Alex was pissed most of the time it's some achievement, the guy was born to play snooker.
 
MajorTom said:
He could still be that good? Ronnie was moping things up at 17 not 27 which is how old Judd is. He isn't a young puppy and he won't be cuing like that in his mid 30's. He has no safety game whatsoever either. Fantastic potter of the ball but Robertson, Ding are better than Judd and are similar age.
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Good point on age. If he is 27 then he really only has decent five or so years left in him (Ronnie being the freak exception). Trump's the SWP/Lennon/Dyer of snooker.
 
I thought Judd was 23. I don't like his character at all, comes across as a right twat.

Edit: so he is 25, halfway between us both :lol: still a twat
 
He still wears twattish shoes. Isn't Ronnie supposed to be good mates with him?
 
Ronnie is pure class and amazing to watch. Judd is a little smug bollox but he made a good match of it. That was as much to do with O'Sullivan losing concentration though.
 
Cheesy said:
He's a good player who consistently does well. There's plenty of depth in snooker, lots of really good players out there. Trump probably won't achieve as much as O'Sullivan, but he's still sort of got the potential there, although if he doesn't do it in the next couple of years he won't at all.
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He does play well to be fair and I enjoy watching him play but he used to get battered in the 90's, early 00's when I think Snooker was at it's best in terms of strength and depth (top 32 players).

Rams said:
That's absolute bollocks. Snooker maybe struggling in terms of TV audiences and money. But, the level of snooker has never been higher as the facts prove, there's far more competition than there's ever been. Ask Stephen Hendry or Steve Davis what they think.
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I disagree with all those points. The prize money in Snooker continues to grow as does the sponsorship. Popularity in the UK might not be at an all time high if we are going by tv numbers (what was it - 18 million viewers in 1980 where there was 4 channels), that has been battered with the 110 million watching Ding in The China Open. Snooker is probably in the healthiest place it has been with tournaments overseas and the amount of people watching them, not in terms of top 32 players though.
 
Masters are currently going on. Second day today, with Maguire taking on Trump. 2-1 for Trump at the moment, but Maguire is in break in 4th frame.

Yesterday Murphy managed to beat Selby in decider after he lead 5-1, and Fu got a max in his win over Bingham, which was surprise to me.
 
Ronnie equaled Hendry's all-time centuries record earlier today.

Up against Fu in the q-f on Thursday - should in all likelihood nail the record then if he keeps his concentration: He did mention that he was a bit distracted by it today (was ahead 5-1, grabbing a century in the sixth - Walden then came back to win three on the trot before Ronnie took the tenth (and another century).
 
Higgins missing out on a potential 147 on the yellow. Looking like he may go out here anyway.
 
Having read a few comments on Judd Trump on here, I'm starting to warm to him. I think a couple of years ago he didn't have that many fans, but I think his attitude is getting better as he's getting to the age where he's probably going to peak and chances to win the World Championship will become fewer (he should have a decent window of opportunity being the youngest of the current top 16 watching others around him retire).
Yes he comes across as flash with his shoes but is that really important? I wouldn't class him as a bad loser, that's the one thing that irritates me more than anything with individual sports people.
As for the current Masters, been some great games so far but last night Ding vs. Perry was tripe! I think Perry won just by being the least bad player, lots of chances missed by both. Looking forward to the rest of the tournament.
 
Red Devil 26 said:
Disappointed that Ding's out. Never seems to turn up at these BBC events.
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Every year he gets touted as one of the favourites for the World Championship but always stumbles. Starting to look less and less likely he will be the first Asian World Champion.
It's all well and good winning all these ranking titles (5 last year was it?) but like you say when the cameras are on, he isn't the same player.
 
Robertson 4-0 down in the first session. Surprising.
 
:lol:What's with the stupid intro and Davis and Parrott sat in armchairs talking into the mirror?
 
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