RedCafe Cricket Draft

mightberight said:
A. Cook
C. Gayle
S. Fleming
A. Prince
M. Prior
C. McMillan
J. Rhodes
S. Pollock
G. Swann
C. Ambrose
S. Akhtar

Complete. Any thoughts?
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Bar Cook, none of the other batsmen inspire any confidence what so ever. But your bowling attack has to be contender for being the best of the lot.
 
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Iqbal
Butt
Boon
Kallis
Inzy
Shastri
Haddin
Al-Hasan
Morkel
Anderson
Bond

Any thoughts?
Ofcourse if I get my 12th team, then this'll be brilliant.
 
crappycraperson said:
Bar Cook, none of the other batsmen inspire any confidence what so ever. But your bowling attack has to be contender for being the best of the lot.
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Inspire any confidence whatsoever? Gayle's averaged way over 50 in his last three years of tests, and has just come back with an 87 N.O. Right down to Pollock, everyone's averaged at least in the mid 30s, and Swann has 4 50s to his name. Might lack star power but it sure is deep.
 
mightberight said:
A. Cook
C. Gayle
S. Fleming
A. Prince
M. Prior
C. McMillan
J. Rhodes
S. Pollock
G. Swann
C. Ambrose
S. Akhtar

Complete. Any thoughts?
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I'd hate to come up against you. Prior at 5 is probably not ideal but given that you've got some decent batting after that in Rhodes and McMillan plus your tail can chip in and more, you'll get the runs. And with that bowling you're a fair bet to defend them.
 
KM said:
Iqbal
Butt
Boon
Kallis
Inzy
Shastri
Haddin
Al-Hasan
Morkel
Anderson
Bond

Any thoughts?
Ofcourse if I get my 12th team, then this'll be brilliant.
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Dont like your opening pair as I feel its very weak. Butt is an average batsman who failed to deliver on the early hype and Iqbal is yet to prove himself.

Rest of the team is ok. Plus you have inzamam and kallis in the middle order :drool:
 
MJJ said:
Dont like your opening pair as I feel its very weak. Butt is an average batsman who failed to deliver on the early hype and Iqbal is yet to prove himself.

Rest of the team is ok. Plus you have inzamam and kallis in the middle order :drool:
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Iqbal was the wisden cricketer of the year not so long ago!
 
omardalvi said:
My team-
1)Simon Katich
2)Shoaib Mohammad
3)Nasser Hussain
4)Sachin Tendulkar
5)Neil McKenzie
6)Jacob Oram
7)Mark Boucher
8)Mitchell Johnson
9)Andrew Caddick
10)Danish Kaneria
11)Mohammad Asif

Even though i messed up many times, i am pretty happy with that in the end.
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KM said:
Iqbal
Butt
Boon
Kallis
Inzy
Shastri
Haddin
Al-Hasan
Morkel
Anderson
Bond

Any thoughts?
Ofcourse if I get my 12th team, then this'll be brilliant.
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Bowling is the problem. No stock bowler since all of Bond, Morkel and Anderson have to bowled in short bests if you want their best. Shastri, Kallis and Shakib will have to bowl the bulk of the overs and thats not inspiring.

Middle order's your strength obviously - Boon, Kallis and Inzy is awesome.
 
KM said:
Iqbal
Butt
Boon
Kallis
Inzy
Shastri
Haddin
Al-Hasan
Morkel
Anderson
Bond

Any thoughts?
Ofcourse if I get my 12th team, then this'll be brilliant.
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I think your team is tough KM, although as we match up I'll have to argue that mine is considerably better ;). I'll admit off the bat that middle order, at least 3-5, is superior. You also have a good bowling attack too, though Bond and Al-Hasan are question marks for various reasons. You have Kallis to fall back on a little though. However, that opening pairing is glaringly the worst part of your team, which I'm sure you're well aware of.
 
Red-Indian said:
One of the greatest teams of all time - Australia in the late nineties to early noughties played with 4 bowlers. I think he'll be fine...especially with four bowlers of that quality.
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Australia played with 4 bowlers when they had Lee, Gillespie, McGrath and Warne. This doesn't come close. And also, noone literally can bowl apart from them and Gayle. So its not like he has a few to share responsibility if one bowler fails miserably.
 
omardalvi said:
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I hope Katich is given his dues, because I think he is a very good opening batsman who may be lost amidst the other wonderful batsmen that Australia have produced. The batting line-up is solid all-round with a couple of bright spots, but I'm just not sure how many wickets you'll get with bowling that is perhaps just too average. Asif was quality but too few tests.
 
Here's the draw again since it disappeared a page or two ago.

1. 16 Stretch Vs. 2. 13 MJJ

3. 1 KM Vs. 4. 14 Mightberight

5. 15 Donadol Vs. 6. 5 Zen

7. 12 Crappy Vs. 8. 9 kps88

9. 10 R-Indian Vs. 10. 11 Desert Eagle

11. 6 Interval Vs. 12. 4 Unitedfan 101

13. 2 Omar Vs. 14. 7 ha rooney

15. 8 nm03 Vs. 16. 3 AldoRaine18
 
Interval Level said:
Australia played with 4 bowlers when they had Lee, Gillespie, McGrath and Warne. This doesn't come close. And also, noone literally can bowl apart from them and Gayle. So its not like he has a few to share responsibility if one bowler fails miserably.
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Really? Ambrose has an even better bowling average than McGrath, Pollock's better than both Gillespie and Lee, Akhtar was as destructive as any of them and has a better bowling average than Lee and is similar to Gillespie. Warne is obviously better then Swann but to say the whole four don't come close is strange.

Er, and I'll have you know Craig McMillan got 28 wickets at an average of 45, literally my arse! :p
 
kps88 said:
Thoughts?
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Not sure. Azhar turned out to be a cnut and that will influence a few votes plus he was crap against short bowling.

On your day, I suppose you could beat anybody but there'll be games when you'll go down to innings defeats. For example Jayasuriya and Astle are awesome when in the mood but very inconsistent. The same with Flintoff, Slater and even Azhar to an extent.
 
mightberight said:
Really? Ambrose has an even better bowling average than McGrath, Pollock's better than both Gillespie and Lee, Akhtar was as destructive as any of them and has a better bowling average than Lee and is similar to Gillespie. Warne is obviously better then Swann but to say the whole four don't come close is strange.

Er, and I'll have you know Craig McMillan got 28 wickets at an average of 45, literally my arse! :p
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Agreed. Warne's the only difference between the two. And Gayle plus McMillan is better than what the Aussies had as part timers most of the time - Mark Waugh and I don't know - Lehmann?
 
Might as well put my team up again and invite comments if people are in the mood.

I'll probably add another bat as my twelfth man to switch around if I come up against a really strong bowling team

1 Graeme Smith
2 Geoff Marsh
3 Allan Lamb
4 Aravinda de Silva
5 Michael Clarke
6 Brian McMillan
7 Angelo Mathews
8 Jeff Dujon
9 Heath Streak
10 Anil Kumble
11 Glenn McGrath
 
Red-Indian said:
Agreed. Warne's the only difference between the two. And Gayle plus McMillan is better than what the Aussies had as part timers most of the time - Mark Waugh and I don't know - Lehmann?
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Not being pedantic, but you're facing the best of best batting line ups here. Its my view that having a decent fifth bowler is more than necessary. It just requires 1 bowler to have a couple of off days and you're screwed massive.
 
Red-Indian said:
Might as well put my team up again and invite comments if people are in the mood.

I'll probably add another bat as my twelfth man to switch around if I come up against a really strong bowling team

1 Graeme Smith
2 Geoff Marsh
3 Allan Lamb
4 Aravinda de Silva
5 Michael Clarke
6 Brian McMillan
7 Angelo Mathews
8 Jeff Dujon
9 Heath Streak
10 Anil Kumble
11 Glenn McGrath
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Much like mine, except you're batting line up is probably slightly stronger and your bowling line up slightly weaker. Marsh and Lamb may stick around for a while but perhaps not too long against the best bowlers, and their ability to score runs not as good as your middle order; a lot of pressure on Smith at the start to rack up the runs, but he's a batsman who can handle it.
 
Red-Indian said:
Might as well put my team up again and invite comments if people are in the mood.

I'll probably add another bat as my twelfth man to switch around if I come up against a really strong bowling team

1 Graeme Smith
2 Geoff Marsh
3 Allan Lamb
4 Aravinda de Silva
5 Michael Clarke
6 Brian McMillan
7 Angelo Mathews
8 Jeff Dujon
9 Heath Streak
10 Anil Kumble
11 Glenn McGrath
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I'd add a bowler. An all rounder if you can dig out one.
 
mightberight said:
Much like mine, except you're batting line up is probably slightly stronger and your bowling line up slightly weaker. Marsh and Lamb may stick around for a while but perhaps not too long against the best bowlers, and their ability to score runs not as good as your middle order; a lot of pressure on Smith at the start to rack up the runs, but he's a batsman who can handle it.
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Agreed Marsh and Lamb are clearly my weak links but at least they're weak links who know their limitations and play within them. They won't sell their wicket cheap unlike say weak links that a lot of other teams have.

I've got Smith, Clarke and Aravinda bookending them plus a looong lower order. Streak at 9 has an average of 20+ and Kumble's got a test century having played as night watchman heaps of times.

For bowling, i'll have to rely on options - Mathews, Clarke and Aravinda. Even so all my four main bowlers don't shirk long spells. As I said earlier, they're used to being strike and stock bowlers.
 
AldoRaine18 - S Waugh, Flower, Jayawardene, Mark Taylor, Merv Hughes, Gibbs, Hoggard, Collingwood, Ranatunga, A. Giles, Philander

Gibbs
Taylor
Jayawardene
S Waugh
A Flower
Ranatunga
Collingwood
A Giles
Hoggard
Hughes
Philander

Aldo can't post in this thread so I thought i'd put his team up and invite discussion as well. I did PM but he's probably not online.

What do you guys think? Very impressive bating but bowling's a bit meh in my opinion. Hughes was great to look at but him being the lead and strike bowler shows how low Aussie cricket had sunk during that time.
 
Red-Indian said:
AldoRaine18 - S Waugh, Flower, Jayawardene, Mark Taylor, Merv Hughes, Gibbs, Hoggard, Collingwood, Ranatunga, A. Giles, Philander

Gibbs
Taylor
Jayawardene
S Waugh
A Flower
Ranatunga
Collingwood
A Giles
Hoggard
Hughes
Philander

Aldo can't post in this thread so I thought i'd put his team up and invite discussion as well. I did PM but he's probably not online.

What do you guys think? Very impressive bating but bowling's a bit meh in my opinion. Hughes was great to look at but him being the lead and strike bowler shows how low Aussie cricket had sunk during that time.
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Very good batting. Not as deep as some, but doesn't need to be. I think Aldo, however, should have sacrificed one of them for a great bowler early on. It's below par, and I think picking Philander is a huge stretch. Others may not feel the same but with 8 test matches played, he really is a non-starter for me. Gayle's bowling average is about the same as Giles and Interval Level's saying I have a problem with him even as my 5th bowler/part-time spinner, so unfortunately it just doesn't have the firepower.
 
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