RedCafe Cricket Draft

Here's Aldo's comments on his team.

AldoRaine18 said:
I agree that my bowling isn't my strongest point. I actually couldn't get McGrath due to a mix up with PMs and all but anyway, when all the top names went I just decided to go ahead and make the batting as strong as possible.

So here's the summary.

Player : Bowling/Batting average, other stats and points.

Mark Taylor : 43.49 bat avg, top score of 334*, 157 catches at slip and revolutionary captain.
Herschelle Gibbs : 41.95 bat avg, top score of 228, kickass fielder
Paul Collingwood : 40.56 bat avg, exceptional fielder and can bowl
Mahela Jayawardene : 52.64 bat avg, top score 374, 187 catches
Steve Waugh (C) : 51.06 bat avg, top score 200, 32 centuries, incredible leader
Andy Flower (WK) : 51.54 bat avg, top score 232, great wicket keeper and the best player of spin in the draft
Arjuna Ranatunga : 35.60 bat avg, top score 135, another great captain
Merv Hughes : 28.38 bowl avg, 212 wickets, tireless merchant, scary moustache
Matthew Hoggard : 30.50 bowl avg, 248 wickets, at his peak moved the ball both ways
Ashley Giles : 40.60 bowl avg, 143 wickets in 54 games, spinner
Vernon Philander : 14.15 bowl avg, 51 wickets in 7 matches. Probably the quickest to that figure. Best in the world presently.


As you can see the team is like the usual Indian Team, with incredible batsmen and decent bowlers. So that is how we will play, bat teams out of the game and put them under pressure and take wickets. The bowlers are anyway better than the usual Indian quickies and unless they are facing top top quality batsmen, they will produce the goods.

On the batting front, the openers are as solid as they come, with the middle order being the best in the draft. Mahela having his subcontinent experience will tackle quality spin and Flower and Waugh are good and gritty enough to see out the best of attacks.

Looking at nm03, I don't see his bowlers bowling my team out on any surface.

Thanks for posting all that mate.
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Right then, time for my 11th pick...this is a pick I've been contemplating for a fair while now and it may be perceived as a controversial choice but I've made my picks so far based on the team composition and without a compromise on quality. This kid burst onto the scene in 2009, with pace and an ability to control the moving ball that was reminiscent of a young Akram. Had 17 year old Mohammed Aamir not had his head turned for whatever reason, the 38 wickets (4 matches each) against the Aussies and Poms might have translated into something far greater.

I for one, do not see any problem with picking players who have fixed matches to whatever extent. The beauty of Azhar's flick or Asif's guile and their immense ability wasn't a lie. I can however, see some who oppose this view, and I understand that. I had to build a quality team, however, and I tried to do just that.

That said, Cronje and Aamir will probably sell the mothers, wives and children of the team before I can even land my barrage of punches on Zen.

Saeed Anwar
Michael Atherton
Kumara Sangakkara
Mark Waugh
Kevin Pietersen
Carl Hooper
Hansie Cronje
Lance Klusener
Mohammed Aamir
Craig McDermott
Allan Donald

My batting has flair and explosive ability in abundance with Anwar, Sanga, Waugh and Pietersen. Atherton, Waugh and Cronje provide a balance with their grit and determination. I reckon I have some of the best all round players in my team, equally adept at handling spin or pace. Klusener at no. 8 is just a fabulous bonus, with Aamir a pretty handy bat.

I have one of the best strike bowlers in the business in Donald(amongst the top 5 strike rates in the modern era), a canny partner in McDermott capable of swinging it both ways, and taking on a larger burden of the bowling. Aamir provides a left handed option, and what an option to have IMO. He made some of the best batsmen in the world rethink their technique in the short time he he was there. Klusener has an 8 for on debut against India and provides able support with Hansie. Waugh and Hooper (nagging, quality action) provide my spinning options, and while I wouldn't have minded a specialist at all, the rags left post Swann ahd been picked dissuaded me.

Overall, Zen's fecked.
 
MJJ - Younis, Steyn, M. Yousuf, Ganguly, S. Ajmal, Trott, Sarwan, Atapattu, Harmison, Hick,Ried

Ganguly(C)
Atapattu
Sarwan
M.Yousuf
G. Hick
Trott
WK
Ajmal
Steyn
Younis
Harmison

12th man-Ried/swap with hick when necessary.

Any comments?
 
Donadol said:
Right then, time for my 11th pick...this is a pick I've been contemplating for a fair while now and it may be perceived as a controversial choice but I've made my picks so far based on the team composition and without a compromise on quality. This kid burst onto the scene in 2009, with pace and an ability to control the moving ball that was reminiscent of a young Akram. Had 17 year old Mohammed Aamir not had his head turned for whatever reason, the 19 wickets (4 matches each) against the Aussies and Poms might have translated into something far greater.

I for one, do not see any problem with picking players who have fixed matches to whatever extent. The beauty of Azhar's flick or Asif's guile and their immense ability wasn't a lie. I can however, see some who oppose this view, and I understand that. I had to build a quality team, however, and I tried to do just that.

That said, Cronje and Aamir will probably sell the mothers, wives and children of the team before I can even land my barrage of punches on Zen.

Saeed Anwar
Michael Atherton
Kumara Sangakkara
Mark Waugh
Kevin Pietersen
Carl Hooper
Hansie Cronje
Lance Klusener
Mohammed Aamir
Craig McDermott
Allan Donald

My batting has flair and explosive ability in abundance with Anwar, Sanga, Waugh and Pietersen. Atherton, Waugh and Cronje provide a balance with their grit and determination. I reckon I have some of the best all round players in my team, equally adept at handling spin or pace. Klusener at no. 8 is just a fabulous bonus, with Aamir a pretty handy bat.

I have one of the best strike bowlers in the business in Donald(amongst the top 5 strike rates in the modern era), a canny partner in McDermott capable of swinging it both ways, and taking on a larger burden of the bowling. Aamir provides a left handed option, and what an option to have IMO. He made some of the best batsmen in the world rethink their technique in the short time he he was there. Klusener has an 8 for on debut against India and provides able support with Hansie. Waugh and Hooper (nagging, quality action) provide my spinning options, and while I wouldn't have minded a specialist at all, the rags left post Swann ahd been picked dissuaded me.

Overall, Zen's fecked.
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Brilliant pick, wanted him but my pakistani quota was full. Incidentally this would have been my team if there was no limit on the number of players.

Ganguly
Aamir Sohail/Saeed Anwar
M.Yousuf
Ijaz Ahmed
Trott
Moin Khan/Rashid Latif
Abdul Razzak
Steyn
Younis
Ajmal
Aamir
 
Donadol said:
Right then, time for my 11th pick...this is a pick I've been contemplating for a fair while now and it may be perceived as a controversial choice but I've made my picks so far based on the team composition and without a compromise on quality. This kid burst onto the scene in 2009, with pace and an ability to control the moving ball that was reminiscent of a young Akram. Had 17 year old Mohammed Aamir not had his head turned for whatever reason, the 19 wickets (4 matches each) against the Aussies and Poms might have translated into something far greater.

I for one, do not see any problem with picking players who have fixed matches to whatever extent. The beauty of Azhar's flick or Asif's guile and their immense ability wasn't a lie. I can however, see some who oppose this view, and I understand that. I had to build a quality team, however, and I tried to do just that.

That said, Cronje and Aamir will probably sell the mothers, wives and children of the team before I can even land my barrage of punches on Zen.

Saeed Anwar
Michael Atherton
Kumara Sangakkara
Mark Waugh
Kevin Pietersen
Carl Hooper
Hansie Cronje
Lance Klusener
Mohammed Aamir
Craig McDermott
Allan Donald

My batting has flair and explosive ability in abundance with Anwar, Sanga, Waugh and Pietersen. Atherton, Waugh and Cronje provide a balance with their grit and determination. I reckon I have some of the best all round players in my team, equally adept at handling spin or pace. Klusener at no. 8 is just a fabulous bonus, with Aamir a pretty handy bat.

I have one of the best strike bowlers in the business in Donald(amongst the top 5 strike rates in the modern era), a canny partner in McDermott capable of swinging it both ways, and taking on a larger burden of the bowling. Aamir provides a left handed option, and what an option to have IMO. He made some of the best batsmen in the world rethink their technique in the short time he he was there. Klusener has an 8 for on debut against India and provides able support with Hansie. Waugh and Hooper (nagging, quality action) provide my spinning options, and while I wouldn't have minded a specialist at all, the rags left post Swann ahd been picked dissuaded me.

Overall, Zen's fecked.
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I knew that's who you were going for. Setting aside my bias against tainted players (in fact, if I were willing to excuse it for anybody, it would be for the likes of Gibbs and Aamir), I think that if all we had to go on were these figures...say he got injured after playing those 14 tests...and was about to make his comeback, he's getting picked at about the right time.

Irfan Pathan's average after his first 14 matches was better than Aamir's and he was being compared to Akram.
Ishant Sharma's was very close. He was being talking up as the next McGrath
Philander's are heaps better and we don't know where he's going

You never know how these kids are going to turn out until they've played 30 or so matches.

Your team's pretty good but relies heavily on Donald to get the wickets. One more quality bowler before you had to throw on the untested Aamir and part timers would've made a huge deal of difference.
 
Red-Indian said:
I knew thats who you were going for. Setting aside my bias against tainted players (in fact, if I were willing to excuse it for anybody, it would be for the likes of Gibbs and Aamir), I think that if all we had to go on were these figures...say he got injured after playing those 14 tests...and was about to make his comeback, he's getting picked at about the right time.

Irfan Pathan's average after his first 14 matches was better than Aamir's and he was being compared to Akram.
Ishant Sharma's was very close. He was being talking up as the next McGrath
Philander's are heaps better and we don't how where he's going

You never know how these kids are going to turn out until they've played 30 or so matches.

Your team's pretty good but relies heavily on Donald to get the wickets. One more quality bowler before you had to throw on the untested Aamir and part timers would've made a huge deal of difference.
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Agree. I won't be giving much traction to Aamir or even Bond in these matches, even though I personally rate them both a lot. You have to go by the evidence in front of you rather than what you think may have been.
 
Ok, after much deliberation and going back and forth with myself over this, I've decided to go with a huge gamble, unfortunately all the picks I'd consider are taken and I'm a bit desperate for an all rounder, so I go with Tim Bresnan and Paul Strang. Strang gives me a different bowling option with his leg break and he's got a 100 (scored in Pakistan) and 2 50s to his name. Also a fine fielder. He was a fighter, dogged.

Wessels
Dilshan
Amla
Y Khan
Samaraweera
Symonds
Bresnan
Lee
de Villiers
Herath
Bishop

12th man: Strang
 
KM - Kallis, Inzy, Anderson, Shane Bond, Morne Morkel, Shakib Al Hasan, David Boon, Shastri, Haddin, Tamim Iqbal, Salman Butt
Omar Dalvi - Tendulkar, Kaneria, Boucher, Caddick, M Asif, Katich, Mitchell Johnson, Shoaib Mohammad, Nasser Hussain, Neil McKenzie, Oram
AldoRaine18 - S Waugh, Flower, Jayawardene, Mark Taylor, Merv Hughes, Gibbs, Hoggard, Collingwood, Ranatunga, A. Giles, Philander
Unitedfan101 - Ponting, Harbhajan, Ian Healy, Damien Fleming, Strauss, Ian Bell, Thorpe, I Pathan, Patrick Patterson, C Martin, Sohail
Zen - Gilchrist, Vettori, Jason Gillespie, Darren Gough, Damien Martyn, Angus Fraser, Vaughan, Sidhu, Azhar Ali, A Jones, Franklin
Interval Level - Akram, S. Mushtaq, Chanderpaul, Watson, Gul, Brendan McCullum, Gambhir, Robin Smith, Jimmy Adams, Cork, Lehmann
ha_rooney - Warne, de Villiers, Vaas, Langer, Clark, Richardson, Trescothick, Tillakaratne, Ross Taylor, Razzak, Finn
nm03 - Lara, VVS Laxman, Stewart, Ntini, Reiffel, Broad, Dean Jones, Mushtaq Ahmed, Afridi, P Adams, M Richardson
kps88 - Murali, Flintoff, Jayasuriya, Azharuddin, Zaheer, G. Lawson, Slater, Saleem Malik, Astle, Kasprowicz, M. Khan
R-Indian - McGrath, Kumble, G Smith, M. Clarke, B McMillan, Streak, A DeSilva, Dujon, G Marsh, Lamb, Angelo Mathews
Desert Eagle - Hayden, Sehwag, M.Hussey, Dhoni, Sammy, Srinath, D. Morrison, Malinga, Dwayne Bravo, Mendis, Asad Shafiq
Crappy - Dravid, Walsh, Chris Cairns, G. Kirsten, M. Crowe, S. Mcgill, Alderman, Cullinan, M. Hafeez, Misbah, Taibu
MJJ - Younis, Steyn, M. Yousuf, Ganguly, S. Ajmal, Trott, Sarwan, Atapattu, Harmison, Hick, Reid
Mightberight - Pollock, Ambrose, A.Cook, Akhtar, Swann,M. Prior, Gayle, Fleming, A Prince, C McMillan, Rhodes, Prabhakar
Donadol - Sangakarra, Donald, Pietersen, McDermott, M. Waugh, S. Anwar, Atherton, Hooper, Cronje, Klusener, M Aamir, Yuvraj
Stretch - Amla, Lee, Younis Khan, Ian Bishop, Samarweera, F. De Villiers, T. Dilshan, K.Wessels, Herath, Symonds, Bresnan, Strang

Twelfth man picks have been along expected lines so far. Utility men with a little bit of this and that. MJJ's got to get a keeper though.

If MJJ picks tonight, maybe we can get a game poll started tomorrow. Both Stretch and MJJ would've picked their 12 so they can fix their XI and PM KM with their teams and a brief write-up. I doubt if we need player profiles but thats up to individual participants I guess.

What say everybody? This is dragging a little bit now.
 
Red-Indian said:
I knew that's who you were going for. Setting aside my bias against tainted players (in fact, if I were willing to excuse it for anybody, it would be for the likes of Gibbs and Aamir), I think that if all we had to go on were these figures...say he got injured after playing those 14 tests...and was about to make his comeback, he's getting picked at about the right time.

Irfan Pathan's average after his first 14 matches was better than Aamir's and he was being compared to Akram.
Ishant Sharma's was very close. He was being talking up as the next McGrath
Philander's are heaps better and we don't know where he's going

You never know how these kids are going to turn out until they've played 30 or so matches.

Your team's pretty good but relies heavily on Donald to get the wickets. One more quality bowler before you had to throw on the untested Aamir and part timers would've made a huge deal of difference.
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Yep. Impossible to judge players who've played so few tests.
 
Interval Level said:
Same stands for Ajmal and Asif. I did not even consider them because 20 and below is too low. I thought I was reaching a bit with Lehmann with only 27.
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Yep, 20-30 tests is needed to judge any player's class. 5 odd tests dont tell you much.
 
I've taken on board feedback and decided I need an extra bowler as an option for when I come up against really class batting. Unfortunately, not a lot of good bowlers left but i'm happy enough to get this guy who could've been a lot more if injuries hadn't ravaged his career.

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Despite those debilitating injuries, Dion Nash did play 32 matches for 93 wickets at a very impressive average of 28.5. He was also a very useful lower order bat 2100 runs at 23.5.

I'll take him.
 
KM - Kallis, Inzy, Anderson, Shane Bond, Morne Morkel, Shakib Al Hasan, David Boon, Shastri, Haddin, Tamim Iqbal, Salman Butt
Omar Dalvi - Tendulkar, Kaneria, Boucher, Caddick, M Asif, Katich, Mitchell Johnson, Shoaib Mohammad, Nasser Hussain, Neil McKenzie, Oram
AldoRaine18 - S Waugh, Flower, Jayawardene, Mark Taylor, Merv Hughes, Gibbs, Hoggard, Collingwood, Ranatunga, A. Giles, Philander
Unitedfan101 - Ponting, Harbhajan, Ian Healy, Damien Fleming, Strauss, Ian Bell, Thorpe, I Pathan, Patrick Patterson, C Martin, Sohail
Zen - Gilchrist, Vettori, Jason Gillespie, Darren Gough, Damien Martyn, Angus Fraser, Vaughan, Sidhu, Azhar Ali, A Jones, Franklin
Interval Level - Akram, S. Mushtaq, Chanderpaul, Watson, Gul, Brendan McCullum, Gambhir, Robin Smith, Jimmy Adams, Cork, Lehmann
ha_rooney - Warne, de Villiers, Vaas, Langer, Clark, Richardson, Trescothick, Tillakaratne, Ross Taylor, Razzak, Finn
nm03 - Lara, VVS Laxman, Stewart, Ntini, Reiffel, Broad, Dean Jones, Mushtaq Ahmed, Afridi, P Adams, M Richardson
kps88 - Murali, Flintoff, Jayasuriya, Azharuddin, Zaheer, G. Lawson, Slater, Saleem Malik, Astle, Kasprowicz, M. Khan
R-Indian - McGrath, Kumble, G Smith, M. Clarke, B McMillan, Streak, A DeSilva, Dujon, G Marsh, Lamb, Angelo Mathews, Nash
Desert Eagle - Hayden, Sehwag, M.Hussey, Dhoni, Sammy, Srinath, D. Morrison, Malinga, Dwayne Bravo, Mendis, Asad Shafiq, Duminy
Crappy - Dravid, Walsh, Chris Cairns, G. Kirsten, M. Crowe, S. Mcgill, Alderman, Cullinan, M. Hafeez, Misbah, Taibu, Parore
MJJ - Younis, Steyn, M. Yousuf, Ganguly, S. Ajmal, Trott, Sarwan, Atapattu, Harmison, Hick, Reid, Ridley Jacobs
Mightberight - Pollock, Ambrose, A.Cook, Akhtar, Swann,M. Prior, Gayle, Fleming, A Prince, C McMillan, Rhodes, Prabhakar
Donadol - Sangakarra, Donald, Pietersen, McDermott, M. Waugh, S. Anwar, Atherton, Hooper, Cronje, Klusener, M Aamir, Yuvraj
Stretch - Amla, Lee, Younis Khan, Ian Bishop, Samarweera, F. De Villiers, T. Dilshan, K.Wessels, Herath, Symonds, Bresnan, Strang

Nobody up for starting the game polls today? MJJ and Stretch are both done. If they're both online and KM is as well, it could happen.
 
Interval Level said:
I'll do it. PM me everything. Every morning, I'll send a poll request in this thread to a mod and post both teams' details
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I'll do it twatto.

So are we starting the matches today.

The matches btw will take place at Melbourne.
QF at Eden Gardens
SF at Centurion
F at Lords.
 
KM said:
I'll do it twatto.

So are we starting the matches today.

The matches btw will take place at Melbourne.
QF at Eden Gardens
SF at Centurion
F at Lords.
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Hey!!.. Unwarranted

Also, do we need the stadium names? Are we playing with pitches in mind?
 
Meh, can't think of a 12th man who isn't shit. Going with Virat Kohli to be my super sub fielder.
 
So.. To give myself another lower order option and spin threat, I pick

Greg Matthews.
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Batting Average of 41.08

and 61 wickets as well. He will alternate with one of the spinners depending on opposition and conditions. With him in the lineup, I will bat all the way till number 9.
 
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