Who needs that when you can play in front of the stretty? And it was all not some. Let me dream
(Realistic) January Signings Thread
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Who needs that when you can play in front of the stretty? And it was all not some. Let me dream
Madrid always sells to buy, so you stay strong I think you can get him for €20-25M, maybe add some incentives like CL qualification to push it to 30. Definitely not more than €30M. I think Morata is a fair comparison. They let him go for €20M. Alonso, Callejon and Sahin all went for around €10M.
I would not know. Some players may be hesitant to move now because as you said they may not want to risk being nominated for the Euro. Others may want to wait after the Euro because they'd hope to attract even bigger fish or an even better contract. It's tricky business this winter, for sure.
He was very good for Madrid last season. I'd rather have him than Mata in our squad.
Will sound stupid but Fabregas? Chelsea by the looks of things couldn't give a shit about him.
Think we're stumped with a lack of creativity having midfield options of; Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Carrick and Fellaini as our only options for a midfield 2.
Might work out to be a better player in our system.
Think we're stumped with a lack of creativity having midfield options of; Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Carrick and Fellaini as our only options for a midfield 2.
Might work out to be a better player in our system.
In a heart beat.
He's great at being a flat track bully, and wouldn't be exposed playing deep like he is at Chelsea. Most advanced in our three man midfield with Herrera + Morgan partnering him.
http://thisisfutbol.com/2015/12/blo...-rated-everton-youngster?#xiY2Dh1UKz08lFhd.97
Firstly is Joe Williams really that good? Perhaps the Everton lads can confirm.
Secondly are we really interested in him. I doubt Everton are just going to let us have him.
Firstly is Joe Williams really that good? Perhaps the Everton lads can confirm.
Secondly are we really interested in him. I doubt Everton are just going to let us have him.
If Fabregas was available we'd be mad to pass him up, having said that I suspect our noisy neighbours would fancy putting him in their eleven as well.
Let us not line Chelsea's pockets with another £40 million for a January panic buy, he tends to fade away as the season goes on so hardly the best time to buy him, anyway we'd be buying in a position that we are fairly strong in.
We've got the aging pair of Carrick and Schweinsteiger, plus a very defensive minded player in Schneiderlin. I don't think we're as strong there as we think.
We have:
Schweisnstegier------Schneiderlin
--------------Herrera----------------
Carrick---------------------Fellaini
-----------Mata/Rooney-----------
We are short everywhere else on the pitch but in midfield we are ok, I'm not saying we can't improve there, but it doesn't warrant a panic buy in January, the LB, RW, and CF though does.
Real life doesnt work like that,at all.
We simply cant afford what you are advocating .
As you know, we are a heavily indebted club. Debt usually comes along with debt convenants that actually limit how much we can spend, and how we can fund your extravagant spending spree. Worst case scenario, if we violate such convenants, our debt would be recalled immediately. That would bankrupt us.
Another thing is that we are also accountable to investors. Just a few months ago, Woodward promised them that we would be looking to reduce our spending now. So he's not going to do the complete opposite.
You make it sound like we can just go out and spend 150 mil this January. We cant and wont.
Those Noodle sponsors you talk about. They dont make as much money as you think. The biggest moneymakers are gate reciepts and competition money such as the UCL(we are out of that)
Madrid dont always get their man either.
See Veratti for example.
You make it sound like this is FIFA. Offer ridiculous amounts and they'll come. Real life is so much more complex.
These 3 are more liabilities and hindrances. We would do well without them. It's definitely weaker than you suggest but doesn't warrant a panic but. However, we would be in a winner if we purchase Tielemans and loan him back for the rest of the season, in January.
There's a huge difference between having money and being able to spend it that freely.
They are far too many legal issues people simply ignore. Even Woodward himself has said that this level of spending simply wont be the norm.
We spent all summer last summer emailing Bayern (confirmed from their end) offers for Müller in the region of £100m, we were interested in Neymar (as confirmed by his agent) who would have cost the same sum of money. We have a longstanding interest in Gareth Bale and Cristiano Ronaldo and made an offer when Bale moved to Madrid that was in excess of the world record fee that they paid. These are individual players who would cost roughly what you're arguing the club can't afford to spend in a window.
The problem is we can't physically spend the money on anyone worth it, but in terms of our ridiculous FFP leniency I'd argue we're the club with the ability to spend most 'freely' in the whole of world football.
There are no 'legal issues' thats a complete invention.
Attainable targets are mane, Lucas and Felipe Anderson.
All would be overpriced but would greatly assist us in getting top 4.
We need pace badly.
All would be overpriced but would greatly assist us in getting top 4.
We need pace badly.
What legal issues? We can throw £100m at muller and possibly more at Neymar. We shit money....we just can't seem to land the elite players who would command such a fee.
We can easily buy mane and Felipe Anderson in January for whatever their release clause is.
Hasn't Anderson not been in the Lazio at times this season?
Harsh on Carrick, Felliani obviously, and Rooney is all the clubs fault and isn't going anywhere, my main point was that of all positions we need a player for the midfield isn't it.
Many people are expecting alot from January but personally I think we'll do nothing as it's a pig of month to buy players in, just getting Januzaj back would be a result in my book. Anyway not sure LvG deserves more money to to spend.
Not sure but he is one of the few RW's I can think of who would be able to provide pace and power on the wing...Lucas moura is the other. Either should be able to be acquired for around £30m.
Woodward this January:
Calling out Carrick was not because of performances but that age is really catching up to him. We can't rely on him other than being a squad player. He still has more to give but I expect a management of his body ala Gerrard to get the best while his clock winds down. We should be looking for a young successor, whether from within (Pereira, Goss, TFM or Pearson, I don't know) or outside like Tielemans or Neves.
Like you I don't expect any but in January apart from the buy to loans I've mentioned. What United need are players that can shift the ones we have and not in direct competition. January is not the time for that.
Personally, I'm hoping the management get some balls on coals and give the youngsters a run in the league and Euro. It's not like the more senior players are doing any better. So why not afford that time to Pereira, Varela, Goss, Lingard, McNair, CBJ, Januzaj, Tuanzebe, Rashford and dare I say Powell instead of Rooney, Fellaini, Carrick, Young et al. We are losing and playing crap anyway but I'll be happy know that at least the younger players are getting valuable game time.
With all the stuff going on re Van Gaal's future you'd have to wonder if the club will sign anyone this January.
He's had talks with Woodward about the January window according to his pre match presser, not sure what that means exactly.
Embolo and Tielemans. Both have been extensively scouted by United and both are relatively getable at the moment due to the teams they're at but the price and competition for them could go up if they make an impression at the Euro's(although Tielemans probably wont play at it unless Belgium have injuries). Both are very flexible and able to play in a few different formations and positions as well which seems to be something we look for these days
I'd like @K2K perspective on this as he genuinly seems to know about our intricate financial status. I'll admit I don't but was going on the assumption that money is there to break world record transfer fees
Looks like we are gonna take a pot for 30m on Anderson by all accounts but Southampton won't sell Mane.
El Shaarawy for €14 million anyone?
I'd take Felipe now and Mane/Griezmann/Reus in the summer.
Make no mistake though, we badly need at least two wingers, of whom one has to be a left footer for sake of balance.
Make no mistake though, we badly need at least two wingers, of whom one has to be a left footer for sake of balance.
Pace is lacking in the team, but United could sign Usain Bolt and it wouldn't help the overall play due to how slow the midfield pass it around.
We cant continue spending like this. Not because we are poor, but we have far more obligations than just spending on players.Especially on the back of our recent splurge, especially as this also affects what we can spend in the summer.
That's something Woodward said (to investors in the release of latest financials ) , not his soundbites to appease the fans.
Why do you think we dont spend this extravagantly every window even though we've been a financial jaggernaut for such a long time?
No need for the snide comments.
It's called common sense, not an intricate knowledge of financial status.
United's financial records are publically available information, so are the CEO's communications with investors. Google them if you need to.
It doesnt really take a Warren Buffet to understand that your throw ' 100m at Bayern and Chelsea for Costa and Harzard ' are beyond fantasy.
Thanks.Stop talking sense on the Caf.
Just kidding, it's refreshing to see a healthy dose of reality on here.
People forget that Manchester United is still a business after all. They are limits to what a company that has investors can actually do.
A CEO doesnt simply say something to investors then completely do the opposite 6 months later. The share price takes a huge hit, the Glazers lose out and guess who they'll be unhappy with.
I'm not saying we are poor, I'm saying that what people are advocating on here wouldnt even be done by Madrid. People automatically think Madrid just spend recklessly , yet in both 2009 and 2014 , their large buys were largely offset by massive sales too. We dont really have any valuable assets to sell. Rooney and he s unlikely to get as much.
Our interest bearing debt has gone up too. That's another consideration.
It's not as easy as people want to make it sound.
I rest my case.
Comment was not snide but complimentary! You took it the wrong way!
Where will the Neymar money come from? It's obvious we are after him.
Common sense tells me that of we had over £100m on bale, neymar or Mueller over the summer then the money is there if necessary.... The question is would the board sanction the bid or not.
I get that it is not financially prudent to spend like that every transfer window but our side is far from complete and we need quality to be competitive in this league.
Agree. Nowhere near the level of player we need.
If you trust the views of all the Bundesliga team-supporting posters here, he's got nothing special about his game other than his set-piece delivery.
I would like us to really go for Leroy Sane this summer. The kid looks a really high quality talent. With him and Martial, we could have one of the brightest attacks in Europe soon. Will be hard to get him in January though.
There's not many top signings I can see us making in January. The likes of Sane and Griezmann will be hard to get. More like to get lesser players in Jan, unless you unearth a gem. And I'm not sure this is the time to be spending poorly on our attack.
Theres a thing on skysports reporting we're about to complete a £35 million tranfer for Anderson from Lazio. He had 14 goals in 61 appearances! I know hed 22 but £35 million? Watched a youtube highlight vid but anyone here watch serie a? Whats the go, worth thr money?
http://www.skysports.com/football/transfer-paper-talk
http://www.skysports.com/football/transfer-paper-talk