(Realistic) January Signings Thread

Don't want Barkley or Arnautovic. Neither are good enough especially Arnautovic.

Just go all out and buy Mane and Lucas. That's 3 players who are absolutely rapid.

Lucas Herrera Mane
Martial​
 
I'd rather just buy one of the wide players, leave Martial on the left and get a proper #9 in who is a proven goal scorer.
 
The thought of getting Lukaku makes me laugh purely for the fact.. imagine how powerful and pacey a front line with Martial and Lukaku would be. Under someone like Mourinho that would be his ideal type of attack.. what other hench mofos could we add.

Barkley as a 10 and Arnautovic at right wing. All that is missing is Akinfenwe as a sub.

Barkley
Arnautovic Lukaku Martial

Arnautovic will never be Utd quality.
 
Don't want Barkley or Arnautovic. Neither are good enough especially Arnautovic.

Just go all out and buy Mane and Lucas. That's 3 players who are absolutely rapid.

Lucas Herrera Mane
Martial​

He is more than good enough. Not sure how it's not obvious with the season he's having.
 
i would take Barkley only if we make a clause that he can only play in midfield and not in number 10 spot....
 
He is more than good enough. Not sure how it's not obvious with the season he's having.

Disagree. He still runs into too many blind alleys, still hangs on to the ball for about ten seconds longer than he needs to. He's talented no doubt but for the amount he'd cost, you would expect a lot better. A lot of his flaws would massively piss people if they actually started watching him week in week out for United. Plus I'm still not sure whether he's a AM nor CM. He's not good enough for a top club in either position.
 
Shawcross, Moura, Calhanaglou (Or whatever his name is)

DDG
Darmian-Smalling-Shawcross-Blind
Schneiderlin-Herrera
Moura-Calhanaglou-Young
Martial
 
Arnautovic will never be Utd quality.

My lineup was tongue in cheek. Barkley is the only player I would want out of Lukaku, Arnautovic and him.. he'd give us great energy in our midfield and I think he has alot of growth in him.

Agree with Akash though, he is still very raw in terms of tactical discipline and he is a gamble for a top club.. playing at Everton for too long might hamper him tactically as he will get too used to being the main man and being greedy in possession.
 
My lineup was tongue in cheek. Barkley is the only player I would want out of Lukaku, Arnautovic and him.. he'd give us great energy in our midfield and I think he has alot of growth in him.
He might be another rooney in the making. Already or about to hit his peak, but years and years of dross performances later on. He has a similar build to Rooney.
 
My lineup was tongue in cheek. Barkley is the only player I would want out of Lukaku, Arnautovic and him.. he'd give us great energy in our midfield and I think he has alot of growth in him.
You wouldn't want Lukaku? :wenger:
 
He might be another rooney in the making. Already or about to hit his peak, but years and years of dross performances later on. He has a similar build to Rooney.

He has a way better build than Rooney.. he is an absolute specimen. Rooney was never athletic, he was just a big boy with natural pace and power.. no discipline to go with it in terms of training/diet and a party boy - likes a drink.

Barkley is a model professional, trains like a beast.. proper committed to the game so I don't see him going the way of Rooney. He is also more technically gifted than Wayne so I think he'll age better.

Rooney had more natural intelligence and greater flair.. but his technique in general was not great. He could pull off absolutely jaw dropping feats in patches - things Barkley could just dream of, but consistently solid first touch and accurate dribbling.. Barkley is superior to him in this aspect.


You wouldn't want Lukaku? :wenger:

Not sure. There is something about him which has always made me question if he could really be a top top striker for a big club.. I think it is probably bias on my part having never rated him before and thinking he is very inconsistent against big teams. When buying a guy like Lukaku.. you have to be absolutely sure he is going to be your number 1 striker for the next 10 years. Is he the striker I would definitely want to be the face of United going forwards in the next era... can he be the same level as Lewandowski, Suarez and Aguero?

Talentwise, he can do so many things.. it is between the ears I wonder about him.. there is a slight laziness to him and lack of neatness/precision to his play which makes me question whether he is absolute top drawer.
 
He has a way better build than Rooney.. he is an absolute specimen. Rooney was never athletic, he was just a big boy with natural pace and power.. no discipline to go with it in terms of training/diet and a party boy - likes a drink.

Barkley is a model professional, trains like a beast.. proper committed to the game so I don't see him going the way of Rooney. He is also more technically gifted than Wayne so I think he'll age better.

Rooney had more natural intelligence and greater flair.. but his technique in general was not great. He could pull off absolutely jaw dropping feats in patches - things Barkley could just dream of, but consistently solid first touch and accurate dribbling.. Barkley is superior to him in this aspect.
I agree with the first para that Rooney was never athletic and lacked the proper discipline. I'm not sure about if Barkley is a model professional, since I have not really watched him play (except when United play Everton). But I do disagree with the notion that Rooney has far greater intelligence and flair. I think Flair wise, Barkley is superior at their respective ages. Barkley can actually dribble past a player. Rooney just Bullies (or used to) them. And rooney has a good awareness of what is going on around him, which helps with his decision making. But what little I've seen of barkley, he seems to have a very keen eye. He tries passes, that only the likes of Ozil or Silva can actually pull off. Rooney doesn't dare to make such passes. His choices are usually conventional or standard. or safe. His vision is fairly limited in that sense. Whether you can box that as "Intelligence" or "Vision", I am really not sure, since these terms are highly subjective. But I would give more brownie points to Barkley for the Flair and Intelligence terminology.
 
This thread reminds me of the cm threads from a few years ago. Buying random players who happen to be in form at the moment is not going to help us. The reason the likes of Vardy, Arnautovic, Ighalo, Lukaku etc. are playing so well is they are playing in a system that suits them and combining well with the players around them. I could spend all day listing players who had 1/2 good seasons at a mid table club and failed completely when moved out of that environment or even just after losing form.

None of these players would make an instant impact upon our team. Just look at our last January signing Mata, who was signed under similar circumstances. He's arguably more talented than any from those mentioned above but he could do nothing to "save" us. The priority right know for the club should be looking for LVG's successor not throwing more money at him to spend on average players. Once we have a new manager in place who has a clear plan for how the team is going to play and the type of player he requires then we can go about looking for quality players to fill these positions.
 
I'd honestly take Mane alone in this window I think he's a very good player with pace and would add some much needed balance to the side.

Wonder if Chelsea wouldn't mind a cheeky bid on Willian..
 
I agree with the first para that Rooney was never athletic and lacked the proper discipline. I'm not sure about if Barkley is a model professional, since I have not really watched him play (except when United play Everton). But I do disagree with the notion that Rooney has far greater intelligence and flair. I think Flair wise, Barkley is superior at their respective ages. Barkley can actually dribble past a player. Rooney just Bullies (or used to) them. And rooney has a good awareness of what is going on around him, which helps with his decision making. But what little I've seen of barkley, he seems to have a very keen eye. He tries passes, that only the likes of Ozil or Silva can actually pull off. Rooney doesn't dare to make such passes. His choices are usually conventional or standard. or safe. His vision is fairly limited in that sense. Whether you can box that as "Intelligence" or "Vision", I am really not sure, since these terms are highly subjective. But I would give more brownie points to Barkley for the Flair and Intelligence terminology.

Lets not fall into the trap of seeing Rooney as he is today.

These days he is an utter fecking coward with the ball, so the chances of him displaying any vision are long gone.

He has also been conservative on the ball since about 2007.. once Ronaldo started to hit the big time, Rooney never really attempted the spectacular with any consistency ever since - become more stat focused.

In terms of dribbling past players using sheer technique.. agreed, Rooney has never had it. But he had very imaginative and creative shooting ability.. he could pull off some mouthwatering passes - great crosser of the ball as well as switching the play, his movement off the ball was superior to Barkley.. could operate as a 10 or 9. He was a better matchwinner in general, he had an innate sense of how to grab a game by scruff of the neck and produce the key moment to win it. His play in the final third was just more intricate and penetrative - 25+ goals regularly with just as many assists. Remember that Rooney pass to Tevez in the 2008 ECL final.. that was typical Rooney, inconsistent.. but capable of aggression, sheer magic and making match winning contributions.

His peak in terms of flair was 04-07 - he was capable of magic which at that stage was mindblowing.. there was a reason why he was called the white Pele. He could pull off volleys which were Van Bastenesque.. I have never seen Barkley pull off shots with the same level of difficulty Wayne did during those years, that hat trick against Fenerbache...Barkley wouldn't be able to pull off something so audacious even now. Those FA cup goals v Boro.. sublime technical feats. Wayne was something truly special to behold.

His passing in the final third, his one touch play.. his backheels, they all had purpose, directness.. it was full of flair but very effective. He could combine 'street' with winning in a way someone like Ronaldo was unable to when first breaking through.

Its just a shame he was so deficient in key technical aspects which many were blind too and due to his arrogance and possibly poor management, he never really took his game to another level aside from becoming a better header of the ball.

Barkley on the other hand is someone who loves to work on his game, he might start off slow compared to a Rooney .. but he is someone who is at the fulcrum of each game he plays, he is more consistent in all technical aspects and has more control to his game. He is someone who can mature into a proper big match player and actually live up to the hype.. not just show flashes of magic and go completely missing in games.

He has to improve his decision making, be more direct and be more elusive in terms of his movement. He needs to learn the art of winning games as well.. he can dictate the flow of the game but it isn't subtle enough.. he is abit too in your face and easy to defend against. He needs to become a more clever footballer. Wayne was naturally more clever and his game more mature.

You get the feeling with Barkley that rather like Nani.. he is someone that is so gifted, so full of ideas that he sometimes overthinks it and doesn't pick the simplest solution which is often the most effective. Most young footballers struggle with this but in the last generation we had Rooney and Messi.. both of whom had that intuitive football brain which usually picked the best option when close to goal. I think he can develop into a better passer than Wayne but it isn't a certainty.. right now Wayne at his age was a more better final ball passer.
 
Am I the only one who doesn't want Lucas Moura? He has hardly set the world alight at PSG either.

Edit - What the hell am I saying, anything is an upgrade at the moment
 
Even though we need a target man; someone like Lukaku is completely incapable in providing anybody else with any sort of service. A big difference cmpared to say someone like Harry Kane who knows the balance inbetween a ST & a CF.
Kane's going to be ungettable for atleast 2 years now.

Anyone here knows a target man with ability to bring others to play?
 
Lets not fall into the trap of seeing Rooney as he is today.

These days he is an utter fecking coward with the ball, so the chances of him displaying any vision are long gone.

He has also been conservative on the ball since about 2007.. once Ronaldo started to hit the big time, Rooney never really attempted the spectacular with any consistency ever since - become more stat focused.

In terms of dribbling past players using sheer technique.. agreed, Rooney has never had it. But he had very imaginative and creative shooting ability.. he could pull off some mouthwatering passes - great crosser of the ball as well as switching the play, his movement off the ball was superior to Barkley.. could operate as a 10 or 9. He was a better matchwinner in general, he had an innate sense of how to grab a game by scruff of the neck and produce the key moment to win it. His play in the final third was just more intricate and penetrative - 25+ goals regularly with just as many assists. Remember that Rooney pass to Tevez in the 2008 ECL final.. that was typical Rooney, inconsistent.. but capable of aggression, sheer magic and making match winning contributions.

His peak in terms of flair was 04-07 - he was capable of magic which at that stage was mindblowing.. there was a reason why he was called the white Pele. He could pull off volleys which were Van Bastenesque.. I have never seen Barkley pull off shots with the same level of difficulty Wayne did during those years, that hat trick against Fenerbache...Barkley wouldn't be able to pull off something so audacious even now. Those FA cup goals v Boro.. sublime technical feats. Wayne was something truly special to behold.

His passing in the final third, his one touch play.. his backheels, they all had purpose, directness.. it was full of flair but very effective. He could combine 'street' with winning in a way someone like Ronaldo was unable to when first breaking through.

Its just a shame he was so deficient in key technical aspects which many were blind too and due to his arrogance and possibly poor management, he never really took his game to another level aside from becoming a better header of the ball.

Barkley on the other hand is someone who loves to work on his game, he might start off slow compared to a Rooney .. but he is someone who is at the fulcrum of each game he plays, he is more consistent in all technical aspects and has more control to his game. He is someone who can mature into a proper big match player and actually live up to the hype.. not just show flashes of magic and go completely missing in games.

He has to improve his decision making, be more direct and be more elusive in terms of his movement. He needs to learn the art of winning games as well.. he can dictate the flow of the game but it isn't subtle enough.. he is abit too in your face and easy to defend against. He needs to become a more clever footballer. Wayne was naturally more clever and his game more mature.

You get the feeling with Barkley that rather like Nani.. he is someone that is so gifted, so full of ideas that he sometimes overthinks it and doesn't pick the simplest solution which is often the most effective. Most young footballers struggle with this but in the last generation we had Rooney and Messi.. both of whom had that intuitive football brain which usually picked the best option when close to goal. I think he can develop into a better passer than Wayne but it isn't a certainty.. right now Wayne at his age was a more better final ball passer.
Kudos on the beautifully elaborated post.
I agree he used to be a great passer with an effortless ability to switch the play. And yes, he is definitely one of the most instinctive players of this generation, knowing just when to pass, when to shoot etc. But what you expect out of such a naturally instinctive footballer is consistency. Fine, it may not be in terms of goal or assists, but repeating the same moves in similar situations. You never see that with Wayne. When you have a technique at your disposal which you know could possibly allow you to create a potential goal scoring opportunity, why not use it again ? We all see Messi's play, we know he's going to cut in from the right most of the time and dribble past the player and yet we can't do anything about it. We know exactly how Henry would dribble past a player and finish his shot. Rooney fails right there. As Ironic as this sounds, he doesn't do what works for him often enough. That for me right there is a poor footballing brain. Instincts and Intuition are great and all that and like I said, he does have a very good presence of spatial awareness, but you need just some basic common sense sometimes and he lacks that.
His Imagination and Creative shooting I leave up for debate, because in football there are only certain things you can do in certain situations. When the ball comes at you Chest high, with your back to goal, all you can do is attempt a Bicycle kick and pray that you nailed it spot on. When the ball is on the drop 20 yards from goal and you have defenders chasing you down like a pack of wolves, you have only the option to hit it first time. Had it been you, me, barkley or even Ronaldo, wouldn't we have tried the same thing ? Obviously, we would have varying degrees of success (I'm not even sure I could have done a bicycle kick without looking foolish), but does that make it "Imaginative" because we all imagine doing the exact same thing. But that's just my perspective anyway.

About Barkley, like I said earlier, I have very little knowledge of him, so I'll have to take your word on it.
 
I would love Barkley but cannot see it happening. They would want mega money. They would be very resistant to selling.

Same with Stones. Superb talent.

The players we need are the like of those two and Kane. Unfortunately, the PL is loaded so quality players like this will not be sold by their clubs unless the fees are absolutely nuts. They don't want or need to sell these players.
 
I'd be happy the reports of Mane and Muto if we can secure them. Would still love a full back.
 
Berahino has the pace and finishing we need. Bit of a prick but who cares. Needs a big club to become a top player and would not cost much. I'd also go all out for Mahrez, think this guy will become a star and rather pay big for him than Mane. Feck Leicester if the day has arrived where we cant bully them out of a player then we really are doomed...come on Ed show us how great you believe yourself to be!

--------Berahino
Martial Mata Herrera Mahrez
-------Schneiderlin
Blind Smalling Jones Darmian
---------De Gea

With the way we played against Chelsea this team would be very decent imo.
 
I would love Barkley but cannot see it happening. They would want mega money. They would be very resistant to selling.

Same with Stones. Superb talent.

The players we need are the like of those two and Kane. Unfortunately, the PL is loaded so quality players like this will not be sold by their clubs unless the fees are absolutely nuts. They don't want or need to sell these players.

I think in the summer they will sell one of stones / barkley / lukaku
Barca may well exercise the Delofeu clause as well
But if they sell one of the expensive three they can probably resist offers for the other two... Not much they can do about Delofeu other than hope barca don't care
 
Isco is overrated. Lovely to watch, but his impact on games is lacking. Declined since he moved to Madrid, although the infrequency of his playing time hasn't helped.
 
We need a center back, midfielder, No.10, right winger and striker.

We should not rush and buy a player because the one we want would not be available until the summer. For example, if we buy Berahino in January that would mean we covered the striker position and we won't go for Kane/Lukaku in the summer.

So, we need available players that can be as good or better than the ones that will be available in the summer. For example, we could pay the release clause of Laporte instead of waiting for Stones; or Texeira instead of Mane. Also we can see some good opportunities like Moura in January instead of Mahrez in the summer. Then, in the summer transfer window we could go for a big signing like Griezmann, Kane, Barkley, etc.
 
Does anyone think we would consider going full Muppet and just paying the buy-out clause for someone like Griezmann or for example Koke and see if they agree to the move. With prices around £30m for Mane or Mahrez would it be worth it or would we even consider it? From what I've read (so could be wrong), Griezmann would cost £57m. I'd say just do it, but then - it's not my money.
 
Realistically with Woodward and LVG in charge we won't sign anyone in January, we'll wait until the summer to chase (unsuccessfully) the likes of Bale and Muller again.

If anyone with half a clue looked at how August-December has gone for us there would be signings lined up for the first week of the window. I'm not holding my breath.
 
If we could convince players to sign contracts then we could get Griezmann, Verratti and Godin for just under £130m by paying buy out clauses. Do it Woody, I want to go Muppet in January :lol:
 
Does anyone think we would consider going full Muppet and just paying the buy-out clause for someone like Griezmann or for example Koke and see if they agree to the move. With prices around £30m for Mane or Mahrez would it be worth it or would we even consider it? From what I've read (so could be wrong), Griezmann would cost £57m. I'd say just do it, but then - it's not my money.
I can totally see this but as you have already said: Players have to agree, and with the upcoming Euro 2016, some European internationals might want to move after the tournament but not before .
 
Isco is overrated. Lovely to watch, but his impact on games is lacking. Declined since he moved to Madrid, although the infrequency of his playing time hasn't helped.

That´s exactly the kind of player you want, IF you believe in his ability. Being left behind at Madrid is often not only due to squad strength, but also due to politics. I´d guess, when Madrid goes on another spending tour in the summer, Isco could be available for €20-25M to balance the books. Great price. Just because United currently looks static and slow, people want to buy more speedy wingers. What United really lacks is the passing game in central midfield. You already got Depay and Martial to make the runs, but you need another guy or two to play the through balls. I think Isco is still young and could be a great piece of business.
 
I can totally see this but as you have already said: Players have to agree, and with the upcoming Euro 2016, some European internationals might want to move after the tournament but not before .

Agreed, I'd like to think a United player could get a spot at the Euros then you've only to look at our Spaniards to see different. Young cant get in the England squad and Smalling, Carrick, Jones and Shaw can hardly call themselves regulars. Depay having troubles with Holland. Schneiderlin, Fellaini and Martial amongst others are positives though. Who knows...worth a shot but do you risk those clauses going up if we are told no until the summer by the player?
 
I can totally see this but as you have already said: Players have to agree, and with the upcoming Euro 2016, some European internationals might want to move after the tournament but not before .

Plus some of the players he mentioned would be giving up CL and title races.
 
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That´s exactly the kind of player you want, IF you believe in his ability. Being left behind at Madrid is often not only due to squad strength, but also due to politics. I´d guess, when Madrid goes on another spending tour in the summer, Isco could be available for €20-25M to balance the books. Great price. Just because United currently looks static and slow, people want to buy more speedy wingers. What United really lacks is the passing game in central midfield. You already got Depay and Martial to make the runs, but you need another guy or two to play the through balls. I think Isco is still young and could be a great piece of business.

I agree with what you're saying but I have to say that figure is a bit low. There would be enough interest in Isco to raise that to around £30m if Madrid play the market correctly. Just interested why you think he'll be sold so cheap? Can't see Madrid undervaluing a player like that.