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RAWK Goes Into Meltdown 2015-16 Edition
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I think we've more goal threats in our team and if they don't sign anyone and have an over reliance on Rooney it'll cost them dearly.
Benteke - (1 in 2 striker) 15-20 goals
Sturridge - (2 in 3 striker but injury prone) 15 goals
Firmino - 10 goals
Coutinho - 10 goals
Henderson 5-10
Milner - 5-10
Lallana 5-10
Ibe, Markovic, Origi and Ings 5-10
Above are players more than capable of scoring the 70+ goals needed for top 4.
Rooney - 15-20
Depay - 10
Mata - 10
Herrera - 5-10
Feilani 5 goals
Schweinsteiger and Schneidelin - 5 goals (neither known goalscorers)
Have Young, Wilson, Valencia add a few more, probably but nothing major. I think Hernnadez is on a massive downward slide and if not moved on will struggle to make an impact 5 at best.
Of course they are in the market for another attacker so it could all change but so far they've lost the goals of DI Maria, RVP and are unlikely to play one of their main sources of goals last season Feilani. Maybe even Herrara also.
In contrast we've add Benteke and Firmino as well as a fit again (hopefully Sturridge). I think as things stand were in a better position to finish 4th. Pedro would be a big addition if true though.
Benteke - (1 in 2 striker) 15-20 goals
Sturridge - (2 in 3 striker but injury prone) 15 goals
Firmino - 10 goals
Coutinho - 10 goals
Henderson 5-10
Milner - 5-10
Lallana 5-10
Ibe, Markovic, Origi and Ings 5-10
Above are players more than capable of scoring the 70+ goals needed for top 4.
Rooney - 15-20
Depay - 10
Mata - 10
Herrera - 5-10
Feilani 5 goals
Schweinsteiger and Schneidelin - 5 goals (neither known goalscorers)
Have Young, Wilson, Valencia add a few more, probably but nothing major. I think Hernnadez is on a massive downward slide and if not moved on will struggle to make an impact 5 at best.
Of course they are in the market for another attacker so it could all change but so far they've lost the goals of DI Maria, RVP and are unlikely to play one of their main sources of goals last season Feilani. Maybe even Herrara also.
In contrast we've add Benteke and Firmino as well as a fit again (hopefully Sturridge). I think as things stand were in a better position to finish 4th. Pedro would be a big addition if true though.
I like how we were wrong to sell falcao rvp and Di Maria. Two months ago we wasted money on flops
I'll give them Sturridge and Benteke (although this would appear to assume both will start when fit).
Firmino - an exceptional strike rate 2 years ago, but 10 looks optimistic
Coutinho - he's got 13 league goals in 2.5 seasons so far.
Henderson - 4-6 is his typical return
Milner - 5 league goals last year was his best return in 6 seasons.
Lallana - possible if he rediscovers Southampton form.
Assume the other 4 is a combined target of 5-10.
Someone should tell them that even if those numbers were realistic, the players can't all play at the same time.
Not in reality no, but when has that little fact got in the way.
Ya'll are forgetting that Lucas will be back, and will score 40 from the DM position.
They forgot 3 goals from Mignolet too.
I like that he has Mata and Coutinho down for 10 goals apiece despite Mata matching his scoring record for us in half the number of games Coutinho has played for Liverpool.
I know this is the Liverpool-bashing thread and all, but unless we get another striker I wouldn't bet too much on us outscoring them
I know this is the Liverpool-bashing thread and all, but unless we get another striker I wouldn't bet too much on us outscoring them
It's all about Net goals mate.
They might score more, but their net goals is going to be much lower because of their midfield and defence.
True, true.
But you've not factored in moral goals. They're bound to hit the woodwork much more than us.
RAWK said:
Those goal numbers are very misleading - they were based off a time when our midfield, creativity and overall attacking play was absolutely dire. Now that we have finally sorted our midfield after 5 long years, I fully expect goal production, creation of chances and conversion thereof to substantially increase. Expect lots of tap-ins and goal poaching opportunities.
tbh it wouldn't be far fecthed to say liverpool have a better strike force than us atm.
Until we sign pedro and maybe another attacker that is.
Until we sign pedro and maybe another attacker that is.
Their formidable attack comprises
Studge - for 10-15 games
Half of the Rest - unproven
Other half of the Rest - proven to be shite
It is worrying however, that Hendo, Ibe, Lallana, Markovic, Flanno & the Anfield cat are all likely to get into double figures.
Studge - for 10-15 games
Half of the Rest - unproven
Other half of the Rest - proven to be shite
It is worrying however, that Hendo, Ibe, Lallana, Markovic, Flanno & the Anfield cat are all likely to get into double figures.
In fact/facht, I can back up my feckwit forensic analysis with a RAWK quote.
This post is brilliant. Liverpool's top scorers last season (who are still at the club) were Coutinho with 8 and Henderson with 7, whilst ours were Rooney with 14 - despite playing in midfield a lot of times - and Mata with 10. Depay scored 22 FFS and yet he suddenly will only score the same amount as Milner this season? I love what bias can do to someone's version of the facts.
It also appears that Liverpool's formation this season will be:
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Ibe - Milner - Henderson - Lallana - Markovic
---- Sturridge ---- Coutinho ---- Firminho ----
---------- Origi ---- Benteke ---- Ings ----------
Pray tell
You know it's August when the comparisons are out
As meaningless as they are, some of those comparisons are fair tbh except for the ones like comparing Schewini and Lucas and saying Lucas is better.
absolutely no idea what this is, but we seem to be the best team in the Lge by an absolute mile - they must have it upside down, innit
absolutely no idea what this is, but we seem to be the best team in the Lge by an absolute mile - they must have it upside down, innit
Liverpool is relegation threatened. Seems legit.
Except they do. Last season Liverpool scored 52 and Southampton scored 54.
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IMO
De Gea >>> Mignolet
Darmian = Clyne (for now)
Smalling >> Skrtl
Blind << Sakho (at CB)
Shaw > Moreno
Schwein >>> Lucas
Herrera > Hendo
Schneid >> Milner
Mata = Coutinho
Depay > Firmino
Rooney = Benteke
You sure about that? Potential aside, Firmino has had 2 good Bundesliga-seasons in a row now and looks more experienced than Depay at the moment. I think he'll be a better player than Depay for at least the 15/16 season.
Yeh I'm quietly confident Memphis will have the better season. Playing under a manager that knows him with the physicality side already taken care of I think he'll settle faster, after that I don't think there's a debate about their potential.
Havent seen her yet. Her kids at school with mine
With 2 full Bundesliga-seasons under his belt I don't think Firmino will have any problem with physicality at all.
Wut?
Rooney gets underrated, but this is just bs. I'd take Rooney in the team anyday over Benteke.
Maybe so but compared to Memphis there's only 1 winner in that department. His attitude is perfect for us right now (obviously I'm biased) but I think under van Gaal he'll flourish.
Memphis has one advantage most young players coming in the league don't have, physical presence! The guy's already built like a beast, won't be easily shrugged off the ball by defenders
Yeh what the feck am I on about, guess I didn't want to go overboard in our favour. They're probably the closest ability wise when elsewhere you're looking at Schweinsteiger vs Lucas ffs but yeh Rooney probably does have the edge. A single > for me.Wut?
Rooney gets underrated, but this is just bs. I'd take Rooney in the team anyday over Benteke.
Benteke scores in a friendly against Swindon and he's suddenly the second coming of Ian Rush.
He's decent but deary me. Majority of his goals last season came in an 8 game period where he score a couple in a few of those games and the odd one here or there elsewhere. He ain't consistently prolific at all. Not saying it can't change playing with better players at Liverpool but to predict he's going to help revive their attack back to the days of Suarez & Co is just silly.
He's decent but deary me. Majority of his goals last season came in an 8 game period where he score a couple in a few of those games and the odd one here or there elsewhere. He ain't consistently prolific at all. Not saying it can't change playing with better players at Liverpool but to predict he's going to help revive their attack back to the days of Suarez & Co is just silly.
I would say something like:
De Gea >> Mignolet
Darmian >= Clyne
Smalling =< Skrtl
Rojo = Sakho
Shaw > Moreno
Schweinsteiger/Carrick > Lucas
Herrera > Henderson
Schneiderlin >= Milner
Mata = Coutinho
Depay <= Firmino
Rooney >= Benteke
Legend:
>> miles better
<< miles worse
> clearly better
< clearly worse
>= slightly better
<= slightly worse
= equal
Smalling over Skrtl without a doubt. (>)
Schwein/Carrick are "miles better" than Lucas who's rather limited imo. (>>)
Schneiderlin is more than slightly better than Milner for me. (>)
Depay and Firmino seems to be a tough one but I'd go for Memphis personally. (>=)
Could be a good thread idea this. Do it each week for the weekend opponents or just hypothetical ones.
Can't we take all this discussion to the serious thread?
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/our-rivals-squads-next-year-liverpool-2015-2016.405085/
This one is for funny stuff.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/our-rivals-squads-next-year-liverpool-2015-2016.405085/
This one is for funny stuff.
Except they don't. Last season Liverpool scored 52 and Southampton scored 54.
One of the greatest things the internet has done is to show up the idea of Liverpool fans being knowledgable for the complete fabrication it is.