I don't think fsg will cave into pressure from fans this time round, they made the appointment of Kenny to appease the fans and that didn't work out how they planned (moreso when they were stupid enough to trust him with £100m for big name signings - funny side story I hear fsg only gave the funds last season as they really wanted to build a good core of players and build on that, lucky for us dalgish was really out of touch on what passes as top talent these days!)
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I don't think fsg will cave into pressure from fans this time round, they made the appointment of Kenny to appease the fans and that didn't work out how they planned (moreso when they were stupid enough to trust him with £100m for big name signings - funny side story I hear fsg only gave the funds last season as they really wanted to build a good core of players and build on that, lucky for us dalgish was really out of touch on what passes as top talent these days!)
It's nice that Dalgish' last stint at Liverpool has left such a legacy 
No-one really knows whether Rogers is any good. Even if he is, he may go postal under the pressure like the rest of them. Rafa was an excellent manager when he joined them.
It's not all about trophies, it's about history, fan base, the aura of the club as an institution. It won't last forever if they don't sort their shit out - especially if they keep up with the damaging fiascos like Negritogate. But they're still up there right now IMO.
It's not all about trophies, it's about history, fan base, the aura of the club as an institution. It won't last forever if they don't sort their shit out - especially if they keep up with the damaging fiascos like Negritogate. But they're still up there right now IMO.
yep and you have to think that Rodgers could have built a decent side with the money Kenny spunked on Carroll and his buddiesIt's nice that Dalgish' last stint at Liverpool has left such a legacy
Perhaps I'm biased because I don't like the club, nor do I think they deserve the regard they are currently held at. I think the fan base and aura of the club as institution are nothing but poisonous and that's putting it mildly. I respect their history because to dominate in such a manner is no mean feat but at the end of the day there comes a point where history is no longer relevant, which is why I cited the likes of Leeds and Forest.
I've had their post match thread open for over 5 hours now, just going through it gradually to extract its full glory.
I think the best post has to be the one which blames Ramadan for why Assaidi wasn't there, and hence contributed to them losing the game. Yep, that was it.
I think the best post has to be the one which blames Ramadan for why Assaidi wasn't there, and hence contributed to them losing the game. Yep, that was it.
I think in the Premier league era with all the money madness you have to differentiate by club and team. Liverpool are a massive club but not a big team whereas as City and Chelsea are the opposite as were Blackburn in the Shearer days. We are both as we are big in terms of stadium, history, fanbase, fame and a trophy contending threat currently.
I think the attitude of the fans is as damaging to the club as Rafa or Kenny have been. The root of their behaviour stems from them believing they are owed something because of their past successes
I think that's the problem with reading RAWK. It's not indicative of normal people.
All the Scousers I know basically think their club has been run dreadfully over the last two or three years especially, and that they have a long way to go to get back to where they were. An opinion I think is about right, to be fair.
Rafadan
In that their heyday was years ago & it's never coming back I guess...
I respectfully disagree. Most of the mawkish, delusional bullshit wrote on RAWK is indicative of a large section of their fanbase. As you said, some of my mates are rational, sane Liverpool fans who are capable of holding a perfectly normal conversation about their club.
But as I'm coming more and more to realise, they are few and far between. More than any other club, Liverpool fans operate in a world completely devoid of sanity. Grown men going out of their way to be offended and overemotional. They are tragic.
Does this mean every other time you disagree with me it's not respectful?
I'm not sure how deluded they really are - one thing I notice on RAWK is that they'll quibble over the slightest thing to try and make some point. They argue about whether Dalglish spent £40m net or £50m net, whilst completely forgetting that the exact sum wasn't the important thing, it was that he spent it on dross. Normal Liverpool supporters aren't like that. At least, not in my experience. That said, I only know personally about a dozen.
How was Allen's pass completion rate today? That's what seems to matter to Rodgers...
I live on Merseyside and nearly everyone I know supports Liverpool. Trust me, the sane ones are very much in the minority. I go to the pub with my mates, who are otherwise rational, kind, considerate people, and, just like RAWK, they start with the conspiracy bullshit, "the ref's bent", wishing injuries on players, etc.
Does this mean every other time you disagree with me it's not respectful?
I'm not sure how deluded they really are - one thing I notice on RAWK is that they'll quibble over the slightest thing to try and make some point. They argue about whether Dalglish spent £40m net or £50m net, whilst completely forgetting that the exact sum wasn't the important thing, it was that he spent it on dross. Normal Liverpool supporters aren't like that. At least, not in my experience. That said, I only know personally about a dozen.
I know a few Liverpool fans, Irish though so the ratio may be skewed, but only 1 of them is proper deluded. Evra moved his hand, FA is bent deluded.
That's the first thread I've seen on RAWK where they
a) Admit Liverpool are shit
b) Admit United are good
c) Don't blame the ref and FA for a United win
Seems like the penny has finally dropped for most of them.
Does this mean every other time you disagree with me it's not respectful?
I'm not sure how deluded they really are - one thing I notice on RAWK is that they'll quibble over the slightest thing to try and make some point. They argue about whether Dalglish spent £40m net or £50m net, whilst completely forgetting that the exact sum wasn't the important thing, it was that he spent it on dross. Normal Liverpool supporters aren't like that. At least, not in my experience. That said, I only know personally about a dozen.
Sometimes, maybe
In all honesty, all the pro-Liverpool propaganda I hear - like the Evra/Suarez debate, the anti-Woy stuff - all comes from RAWK firsthand, then is absorbed and perpetuated by what you might call the traditional fanbase.
I might be wrong, but what I read on RAWK as the forum's party line, whether insane or delusional, is usually adopted sooner or later by the more moderate fan as it spreads down the rungs.
Does this mean every other time you disagree with me it's not respectful?
I'm not sure how deluded they really are - one thing I notice on RAWK is that they'll quibble over the slightest thing to try and make some point. They argue about whether Dalglish spent £40m net or £50m net, whilst completely forgetting that the exact sum wasn't the important thing, it was that he spent it on dross. Normal Liverpool supporters aren't like that. At least, not in my experience. That said, I only know personally about a dozen.
I think the petty squabbling over 10m is what happens here sometimes. Teens with too much testosterone and time on their hands. As for the delusion, now living here in sunny Oz, I come across them a lot more than I did in Manchester. There are quite a few of em about and believe me, they are feckin crackers. Their delusion, victim mentality and attitude of entitlement are insane. I do recall some desperate moments, pre-Fergie, with our title drought but not on this scale and we went 26 years. It is driving them absolutely up the wall.
I used to think it was just a minority, but the Suarez thing, and the bizarrely blinkered way that the vast majority of them were completely at odds with...well, EVERYONE else in the way they saw it, convinced me it probably isn't.
Can someone enlighten me on what 'system' they're using. They keep on banging on about it.
Ditto.
Twitter gives you the best insight.
Unfortunately most of the LFC 'opinion leaders' and the influential fans were exposed as nut-jobs with some pretty warped views.
These guys are popular because their views are in tune with the fanbase.
The only one I remember going against the grain to any great degree was Times football head Tony Evans (which is odd given he's a huge Dalglish loyalist), and he basically got hounded and abused by the whole support, just for displaying some honesty and integrity.
recently coming away from an Aussie Rules march, driving through Sydney town centre, my mate had his scarf fluttering away out of the window and sure enough, there they were, a group of LFC clad fat morons, absolutely offended at the scarf, giving us the finger and dogs abuse. The anger on their faces was the disturbing thing....and this, in Sydney, mind you. The cheek and front of these Aussies.
Exactly Kraft.
I actually have respect for Evans, he's a time-served supporter - done the whole home and away thing, across Europe, and at the height of their majesty. He's biased and admittedly so, but once he broke rank with the Suarez thing he was lambasted and hounded, accused of being a Murdoch stooge(which narrative ties in nicely with the Times and an anti-Sun agenda).
The Suarez thing seems to transcend the club. It's unequivocal. You're either with us or against us. It was made blatant by RAWK early on they'd throw their weight behind Suarez and from that we heard many nuances and conspiracy theories about negrito etc; that's where that came from. RAWK.
I love football for its partisan nature, but when it's taken too far so that fans have a bunker mentality then it, for me, is is genuinely depressing. Anything that goes wrong there's an excuse or an agenda. Someone is to blame but ourselves.
The moderators on that site are a million times more entertaining than the posters. Tinfoil hat mentalists, who lock down the forum at the tiniest hint of dissent from their insane victim mentality, setting the agenda for their entire fanbase to be viewed as paranoid, delusional feckwits.
Anyway....
I actually have respect for Evans, he's a time-served supporter - done the whole home and away thing, across Europe, and at the height of their majesty. He's biased and admittedly so, but once he broke rank with the Suarez thing he was lambasted and hounded, accused of being a Murdoch stooge(which narrative ties in nicely with the Times and an anti-Sun agenda).
The Suarez thing seems to transcend the club. It's unequivocal. You're either with us or against us. It was made blatant by RAWK early on they'd throw their weight behind Suarez and from that we heard many nuances and conspiracy theories about negrito etc; that's where that came from. RAWK.
I love football for its partisan nature, but when it's taken too far so that fans have a bunker mentality then it, for me, is is genuinely depressing. Anything that goes wrong there's an excuse or an agenda. Someone is to blame but ourselves.
The moderators on that site are a million times more entertaining than the posters. Tinfoil hat mentalists, who lock down the forum at the tiniest hint of dissent from their insane victim mentality, setting the agenda for their entire fanbase to be viewed as paranoid, delusional feckwits.
Anyway....
Yea, he's worth listening to no doubt and seems a decent sort even if he is a massive dipper.
He was at Heysel and has some pretty interesting views on that - doesn't make pretty reading for Liverpool fans.
He says things as he sees them and cuts right through all the bullshit and myths.
It must be exhausting taking all that abuse from people who are supposed to be on your side though. You can see why so many just end up going native and playing along with the narrative.
Evans might be good, but he should be working for the Liverpool Echo not the Times. That paper is like a Liverpool fanzine these days. Half the football journalists there seem to be Liverpool fans.
What I've gathered from watching their games so far is it involved:
1) Not taking more than two touches before passing
2) Passes should be short and to feet
3)Repeat without straying more than two yards from your receiving position
4) Only the fullbacks (to a limited extent), Allen, Suarez and Sterling are allowed to run with the ball
"Pass but don't move" seems to be the system
Yeah, absolutely agreed; his Heysel article was genuinely harrowing. (for those that haven't read it, here http://www.lfchistory.net/Articles/Article/3228 )
As you say, it must be depressing to have a genuinely fair argument and opinion - one that facts and seeing incidents firsthand verifies - that causes you to be so despised by your own supporters.
True, but they're not a bad set at The Times really.
The worst LFC fan in the media actually works for The Guardian. Sachin Nakrani.
Agreed, I don't mind them at all. I expect football journalists to be partisan when it comes to their clubs, but the Times hacks are fair and reasonable.
Rory Smith used to annoy me, but seems to have reigned it in a bit(even criticisng kkk).
Paddy Barclay is gone. So i started listening to the podcast again. Awful, awful cnut.
some good insight into scouse mentality.
the 'best' of em don't address putrid stuff like the 'Suarez' stuff....skate over it.
but they are few. most are just jealous and envious. bitter would be an understatement.
They feed off each other.
with each 'takeover' or ownership change they are hopeful that it is a sugar daddy.
in that they are very different from most of our supporters and the gooners.
the 'best' of em don't address putrid stuff like the 'Suarez' stuff....skate over it.
but they are few. most are just jealous and envious. bitter would be an understatement.
They feed off each other.
with each 'takeover' or ownership change they are hopeful that it is a sugar daddy.
in that they are very different from most of our supporters and the gooners.
I've been in a couple of heated rows with mates who still think 'Evra is a disgusting human being'. It's fecking mental.
They seem to have "Fergie" automatically changed to "Mr Alex Ferguson" there...
...Christ, that is fairly impressively small time.
...Christ, that is fairly impressively small time.
they say its out of respect
But they pride themselves on Everton being the 'Bitters'.
Their hypocrisy is just so risible. They mock Everton for everything they do to us.
Growing up in the 80s, I honestly never thought this would happen. Liverpool have become the Mummers. Like a huge traveling parody we get to mock relentlessly.
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