RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2012/2013)

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"Nearly officially 7-0 then including Falcao's two on the woodwork."


The woodwork argument again.
 
Relegation material?

Very unimpressed with Rodgers here. They have a solid enough base to build on, they just need(ed) to add 2-3 forwards/wingers and they'd likely be competing for Europe.
 
The thing about Dempsey is that whilst he's no world-beater, he comes with 10-15 league goals a season and Liverpool desperately need those goals. That's why fans will be so disappointed in getting outbid.

To teams like United or even Tottenham who have a handful of players you can probably bank on getting 10 Premier League goals from, he probably is worth about the amount he went for. For Liverpool though, who had one player over 10 EPL goals (Suarez) and the next on 6, a player like Dempsey is arguably worth a lot more.

I think ultimately that whilst we have a go when a team might seemingly pay over the odds for a player, e.g. 12 million for Steven Fletcher to Sunderland, how much a player is worth is entirely dependent on the situation of the club. Sunderland needed a proven EPL striker who can guarantee 10-15 goals a season and that is reflected in the fact they that were willing to stump up 12 million for that player. On the other hand, as an extreme example, United have 2 strikers who have proved they can deliver 30+ goals a season and a couple of back-ups who would push 20. Because of our situation up front Steven Fletcher is worth next to nothing for us. We'd not even take him for free, never mind 12 million.

With that in mind I'm very surprised that Liverpool didn't just bid the extra million or so that would have sealed the deal for Dempsey. I'm not sure whether that decision was made by Rodgers or the board, but whoever it was has had a nightmare.
 
From: Liverbird 2010

These owners?

Are fecking skint and dont want to spend a dime. Worse than the last pair? I dont know but come one how is Brendan Rodgers supposed to compete utter fecking c*nts, dont delete this topic cause they are awake in the states now what a disgrace we are as a club pathetic !!! FSG THANK YOU FOR MAKING LFC AN ALSO RAN I AM feckING GUTTED THAT MY FOOTBALL CLUB HAS BEEN DESTROYED BY ANOTHER SET OF AMERICANS feck OFF YU HAVE NO BIUSNESS HERE YOU MONEY GRABBING feckING BASTARDS!!!

You Mods will delete this topic but I fear for survival this season seriously and I wont be pussy footing around no new Liverpool fan from the good ole USA Ill wring yer feckin neck if we go down after the fan fair youve give to this shower of twats !!!
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Classic!
 
I'll not get into City and Chelsea as it's not even their money and the owners can do what they want but to put Wenger's sustainable 4th place into context - look at the alternative approach to chasing........


Fabio Borini - £10,000,000
Joe Allen - £15,000,000
Oussama Assaidi - £2,300,000
Raul Meireles - £11,500,000
Sebastian Coates - £7,000,000
Andrew Carroll - £35,000,000
Jordan Henderson - £16,000,000
Charlie Adam - £7,000,000
Luis Suarez - £23,000,000
Sotirios Kyrgiakos - £1,500,000
Glen Johnson - £17,500,000
Christian Poulson - £4,500,000
Stewart Downing - £20,000,000
Danny Wilson - £2,000,000
Alberto Aquilani - £17,000,000
Stewart Downing - £20,000,000
Diego Cavalieri - £3,500,000
Andrea Dossena - £7,000,000
Robbie Keane - £19,000,000
Alberto Riera - £8,000,000
Gabriel Paletta - £2,000,000
Craig Bellamy - £6,000,000
Daniel Agger - £5,800,000
Fernando Torres - £26,500,00
Mohamed Sissoko - £5,600,000
Javier Mascherano - £17,100,000
Martin Skrtel - £6,500,000
Ryan Babel - £11,500,000
Mark Gonzalez - £4,500,000
Alvaro Arbeloa - £2,640,000
Lucas Pezzini Leiva - £6,000,000
Fernando Morientes - £6,300,000
Xabi Alonso - £10,500,000
Luis Garcia - £6,000,000
Djibril Cisse - £14,000,000
Jermaine Pennant - £6,700,000
Yossi Benayoun - £5,000,000
Sanchez Jose Enrique £6,300,000
Sebastian Coates £7,000,000
Jose Reina - £6,000,000
Peter Crouch - £7,000,00

No wonder they're a confused bunch.
 
RedCanuck said:
From: Liverbird 2010



Classic!
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:lol: What a meltdown in that thread;

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR you lot are unreal the screams will be unmerciful soon enough dont say I didnt warn you !!! WHERE IS OUR GOAL SCORER? WHERE IS OUR STRIKER? WHY HAVE WE LET SO MANY PLAYERS GO OFF THE WAGE BILL AND NOT REPLACED THEM? DONT START feckING CRYING WHEN WE GO DOWN !!! CAUSE WE JUST MIGHT !!ANOTHER SET OF LYING BASTARDS TOM WERNER WE CAN COMPETE WITH THE BEST? REALLY? YOU COULDNT EVEN OUTBID VILLA LYING BASTARDS ALL OVER AGAIN REAP WHAT YOU SOW BUT MARK MY WORDS YOU WILL BE ALL feckING MOANING WHEN IT GOES PEAR SHAPED IT ALREADY HAS !!! BUT THEN AGAIN DONT SUPPOSE YOUD CARE ANYWAY WOULD YA YOU CAN EASILY JUMP ON THE CHELSEA MAN CITY BAND WAGON GLORY HUNTER.

MY CLUB IS DEAD ITS DISGUSTING THAT ANOTHER SET OF OVER SEA PEOPLE HAVE DESROYED THE MOST IMPORTANT LOVE IN MY LIFE AND THAT IS MY FOOTBALL CLUB !!!

Have it your welcome to it cause I dont give 2 fecks about it anymore !!!
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http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=297184.0

feck me. All this because they missed out on average Clint Dempsey. This has to be a Plech WUM surely?

What happened at Liverpool FC yesterday reverberated across the club's base like a seismic shock. The ripples were massive, jarring and troubling - even for myself, an eternal optimist when it comes to the club's affairs. What's more, is that it was clear that many within and around the cub felt similarly. And by the time the transfer window closed I was caught completely flat-footed and without a crutch. I looked for an escape route. I grappled for an answer. I wavered between disbelief and a nonchalant self-told lie wherein I reassured myself that it all didn't really matter. Transfer deadline day: a charade of hope usually compounded by despair.

From the onset I expected the signing of one Clint Dempsey this window, a positive move in my mind's eye, but by no means the answer to our every prayer. I had settled on that after a summer of relative discontent; the idea that he would be the final peg in a new system that would deliver us from mediocrity. At the very least a springboard, so to speak, that our new manager would use to advance his ideals - even if the bastard was 29-years-old. A perfect final token after the signings of Borini, Allen, Assaidi, Sahin and Yesil.

The emotions I experienced during the afternoon, and then well into the evening, ran the gamut in hyperspeed: euphoria, hopefulness, patience, disappointment, anger, rage and then finally a form of weird and perverted acceptance. I blamed Twitter and Facebook, agents and ITK's for my wavering emotions. I blamed 24-hour network news and SSN. I blamed an overload of media and message boards, over-saturation and information. I blamed anything but myself. They all must be to blame. I told myself that I will not accept mediocrity as a rabid fan of this historic club - and that FSG were raping us all with a giant sandpaper condom. feck them, I said. They don't get it. Poor Brendan, he must be fuming.

And then I stepped back.

Hours later, I stepped way back.

My faith in Liverpool FC had wavered.

I repented. I confessed. How could this have happened?

I remembered how much I loved this club and less than two years ago fretted for its future, not as a matter of longevity, but as a matter of days, hours, minutes and seconds. I remembered how H&G took my life's passion to the brink and nearly stole it all. And while this is not an FSG v H&G post, I reminded myself about financial fair play, economic viability and debt… in a time of massive global debt. I remembered how I promised FSG and Brendan Rodgers time; time to take us back to something greater - even though I knew the growing pains would be painful, wrought with fear and trepidation.

And when I stepped back I saw the numbers, as clear as day: the nearly half million pounds saved a week in wages. I saw the skeletal squad of 17 senior players, but it included Agger and Skrtel, Suarez, Allen, Lucas and my captain fantastic Steven Gerrard. I saw a once-in-a-lifteime opportunity for 4 or 5 youth players. I saw a singular goal.

Maybe it was just my mad optimism again and my eternal hope for this magnificent club. But I was upbeat. I saw the next transfer window, and the window after that as real opportunities to begin anew and grow the club - even though this was all supposed to be the case two transfer windows ago. And, in my mind that's a real feat after least year's 100m spending debacle WITHOUT the revenues Champions League Football.

So the last 24 hours were historic indeed. They will, I believe, be remembered by all of us as a "Where were you moment", when the massive ship of Liverpool FC, with its maritime history intact, began to change course drastically and finally right itself. For others, it will be remembered as that lean window when the club waved the white flag before the season even began. But I think those naysayers are sorely mistaken and that narrative will change in time. The ills of the last few years are still a bone in the throat waiting to be coughed up. The financial state of this club when the new owners took over was dire. I have not forgotten that and the raw anguish I felt when I almost lost my club. And I regret almost turning a blind eye to our financial shortcomings and the lousy former owners who masked those dangerous liabilities with ghastly lies. It may be a skint season and the growing pains will smart like salt to an open wound. But I just pray for patience from all of us, because a ship with this history, aura and legend does not change course overnight. But when it does, the rewards will be sweeter than any sugar daddy owner could ever provide.
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It seems to me that their owners have invested quite a bit so far.

They have climbed to the 4th highest wage bill and have invested about £50m net on transfer fees alone (going by transfer league.co.uk) since they arrived. For the 8th best team in the league, that's not a bad level of investment. They have invested significantly more than the owners of Arsenal, Spurs, Newcastle and Everton over the same period.

Whether it's come from outside the club or from proffits I don't know.
 
1M for Caroll and it's not even a must for WHU to buy him next season.

Practically WHU are getting a 35M striker for a year just paying 1m (LFC probably paid some of his wages as well)

Greatest bargain of the century.

And RAWK still manages to mask it as a 5M profit on not having to pay his wages. Classic. Dippernomics.
 
Sky1981 said:
1M for Caroll and it's not even a must for WHU to buy him next season.

Practically WHU are getting a 35M striker for a year just paying 1m (LFC probably paid some of his wages as well)

Greatest bargain of the century.

And RAWK still manages to mask it as a 5M profit on not having to pay his wages. Classic. Dippernomics.
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On todays bbc football gossip list, there is an apparent claim by Fulham that liverpool offered 3 million for Dempsey.

Thats idiotic, and smacks of making a low bid so they can say they bid, its not a serious attempt to get the player at all.

Given they put the guys name on their website 6 weeks ago saying they had signed him, waited to like 6 pm on deadline day to make an offer, and then offered 3 million, they got exactly what they deserved. feck all.

The owners will get the blame, but it seems to me the management team tried to be clever, and failed spectacularly.
 
So now they are angry at the owners..

Are they even considering for a second the £70 million spunked by King Kenny on English talent might have an impact, or does he remain blameless?
 
Nogbadthebad said:
On todays bbc football gossip list, there is an apparent claim by Fulham that liverpool offered 3 million for Dempsey.

Thats idiotic, and smacks of making a low bid so they can say they bid, its not a serious attempt to get the player at all.

Given they put the guys name on their website 6 weeks ago saying they had signed him, waited to like 6 pm on deadline day to make an offer, and then offered 3 million, they got exactly what they deserved. feck all.

The owners will get the blame, but it seems to me the management team tried to be clever, and failed spectacularly.
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its the legacy of Dalglish...

he spunked 70 million on Carroll, Downing, Adam and Henderson (none of whom were/are wanted by Rodgers

they had/have players like Aquilani, Cole, and a few others on big wages too

Rodgers won't get the team he wants without getting rid of the dead wood
 
Scary thing is, over the 5 years spending spree, they actually can buy our whole lineup.

Rooney, Rio, Berbatov = 90M

As for the rest, they probably cost between 5M-15M

I cbf to do the full list, but i'm sure money wise, they've spent more than enough to fund our entire squad, while winning feck all
 
VDS - 2M

Evra - 7.5
Rio - 30M
Vidic - 7.5
Gary / Rafael - Close to nothing, 5M for rafael?

Giggs - Youth product
Carrick - 12.5M (Aquilani alone cost 20M, henderson etc)
Scholes - Gerrard (both are youth product)
Ronaldo / Valencia / Nani - 12.5M, 17.5M,15M not exactly much more than their downing

Rooney - 30M (caroll 35M)
Hernandez / Welbeck / Berbatov / Tevez (on loan) - Probably 35M altogether

That's roughly only around 200ish only

If you discount Rooney / Rio / Berbatov (not contributing much performance wise), we've only spent 100ish to build a treble league winner and 2 EC Finalist.

They spent 100M for...
 
I'm surprised they never even made an attempt to get Berbatov.

He may have turned them down anyway, but the one thing they needed was a goalscorer, and they were dicking around with 3 million for dempsey and loan offers for sturridge, whilst Berba was on the move for 4 million , and far and away the best striker available on deadline day.
 
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What is wrong with these people?
 
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I'm surprised they never even made an attempt to get Berbatov.

He may have turned them down anyway, but the one thing they needed was a goalscorer, and they were dicking around with 3 million for dempsey and loan offers for sturridge, whilst Berba was on the move for 4 million , and far and away the best striker available on deadline day.
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Even if they were interested in Berbatov it would have been pointless putting in an offer as there is no way that we would have accepted it.
 
Their squad is quite thin right now. Qualifying for the Europa league seems like it will be a big hinderance this season.
 
Traub said:
Their squad is quite thin right now. Qualifying for the Europa league seems like it will be a big hinderance this season.
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I can see why they are pining for Rafa. With their 2009 team, the team had a strong spine. Reina, Solid CB's, Mascherano, Xabi Alonso, Gerrard in form, Torres scoring up front.

Now they are completely mediocre all around. Suarez is skillfull upfront but he doesn't score that much for them and Gerrard is past his prime.

It's a pretty piss poor first XI for a big club and they have no depth.
 
Judge Red said:
Their king wasted all the owners' money. Bled them dry.
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Totally but the "best fans in the world" are blaming the owners. To be fair FSG have handed over 135mil in the last 18months. But they got done over by the appointments of Comoli and the King.

The 140mil spend under Kenny was supposed to be the heavy lifting and it has pretty much all been wasted bar on Suarez and even he cant score regularly.
 
They'll probably get a good result against us at Anfield though. For all this talk of 'systems', they'll do what they always do against us & other big teams: rush around like utter maniacs and hassle us into a defeat or draw. If that method fails, Reina will kick the ball onto our goal-line & Kuyt will parachute in from Turkey and tap the ball in. Suarez will then immediately appeal for a penalty after fouling DDG.
 
SteveJ said:
They'll probably get a good result against us at Anfield though. For all this talk of 'systems', they'll do what they always do against us & other big teams: rush around like utter maniacs and hassle us into a defeat or draw. If that method fails, Reina will kick the ball onto our goal-line & Kuyt will parachute in from Turkey and tap the ball in.
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:lol: Well Wolves did beat us and Chelsea in one season so anything is possible.
 
Sky1981 said:
VDS - 2M

Evra - 7.5
Rio - 30M
Vidic - 7.5
Gary / Rafael - Close to nothing, 5M for rafael?

Giggs - Youth product
Carrick - 12.5M (Aquilani alone cost 20M, henderson etc)
Scholes - Gerrard (both are youth product)
Ronaldo / Valencia / Nani - 12.5M, 17.5M,15M not exactly much more than their downing

Rooney - 30M (caroll 35M)
Hernandez / Welbeck / Berbatov / Tevez (on loan) - Probably 35M altogether

That's roughly only around 200ish only

If you discount Rooney / Rio / Berbatov (not contributing much performance wise), we've only spent 100ish to build a treble league winner and 2 EC Finalist.

They spent 100M for...
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I think you've lost it mate...
 
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