RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2011/2012)

I think we should remain objective, and unlike Liverpool RAWKites, not allow our tribalism to take over and haze our views.

Given the mess Benitez and Hodgson left them in, and putting aside the disgraceful behaviour from this club over the entire Suarez affair (I though will never ever overlook it, the incident is enshrined within their history, come what may), Dalglish deserves credit for winning a trophy, any trophy, and the Carling Cup, for a club of Liverpool's current standing is a good achievements and should not be belittled by United fans because we hate them so much.

As we saw with our win of the trophy in 2006 (first taste of winning something for so any of our squad at the time when Mourinho and the Chavs were blitzing everything else in sight; or conversely, Arsenal's failure to win it last year and the huge detrimental effect it had on their season last year carried over into this season), winning the Carling Cup can act as a genuine springboard from which to launch significant progress from. It not only injects some funds into the club, but also players win something wearing the club jersey, the emotional bond is slightly stronger and tangible progress can be evidences. Lifting a trophy at Wembley for the first time in front of 35,000 adoring fans must be a wonderful feeling. And if the manager is any good, he will bottle that feel good factor and then liberally wave the aura in the air of the coming months to ensure a very strong finish to the season.

With Spurs getting smashed today, and assuming we can beat them next week, suddenly that leaves places 3 and 4 all up for grabs ... with Spurs, Arsenal, the Chavs Liverpool and Newcastle all in the mix. If Liverpool beat Arsenal next week as well as their game in hand, they will put themselves squarely in the mix and then its a very interesting run in and a fascinating sub plot to this seasons PL race (The Champions obviously coming from Manchester).

No matter how the ended up winning it, Liverpool fans should be delighted with this win and the club should enjoy a 'bounce' factor. They have enough quality players to make a real challenge for 4th. Its just a shame they blew £35m on Carroll when that money could have been so better spent .... but hey, all managers (or Owners) can make huge transfer mistakes (ourselves buying Birtles, Veron, Forlan but to name a few, and the Chavs with Shevchenko and Torres thus far).

As a sideline, if this is the beginning of the Liverpool renaissance (I hope it is, the Premier League is better with a strong Liverpool), it will come at the expense of probably Chavski in my opinion. Wonder what Torres is thinking right now.

This trophy win is a blip. They are in no better shape than they were under Hodgson or at the end of Rafa's run. They have better owners, but they've just pissed away 100 million on shit players. I'd actually argue they are in worse shape with players like Gerrard, Kuyt and Carragher aging without adequate replacements.

There's nothing wrong with mocking delusion, which is what is being done to anyone who uses the term "resurgence"
 
This trophy win is a blip. They are in no better shape than they were under Hodgson or at the end of Rafa's run. They have better owners, but they've just pissed away 100 million on shit players. I'd actually argue they are in worse shape with players like Gerrard, Kuyt and Carragher aging without adequate replacements.

There's nothing wrong with mocking delusion, which is what is being done to anyone who uses the term "resurgence"

Very valid point which I overlooked.

Yes, they will require another £100m injection to rectify some recent woeful buys like are Caroll, Henderson and Downing.
 
them winning this is good as it mean their racist manager remains...probably. The owners may be sensible enough to still get rid of him.

they are still an awful side and will struggle again next season.

...and the title is well out of reach for them. no way will they overcome the two Manchester Clubs or Chelsea.
 
Kenny has made himself almost unsackable. He's sold himself to the fans like Rafa, but truly "one of their own", a Liverpool legend no less. In the face of such tribalism, the owners will think twice before removing him.

This cup win is a good thing, because it strengthens Kenny's position in the club, and all because of a "minor" trophy. I don't mind them picking these up, or even an FA Cup or two, so long as they never win the league or the CL.
 
Thing is Sammsky, their win today was so crap, that it's hard to take anything of value from it. They eventually won in a lottery after being matched by a club a league below them. It's one thing to say we learnt a lot in 06, but that was a side on the up that absolutely battered the opposition in the final. The 06 cup win was the point that a young team came to fruition.


This for liverpool is a point where an underachieving team, managed to crawl to a win in a game they should have won comfortably.

If it was Arsenal, you could say it would work in their favor, but for Liverpool a pool of overrated players and established players, they'd struggle to gain anything from it.
 
I think we should remain objective, and unlike Liverpool RAWKites, not allow our tribalism to take over and haze our views.

Given the mess Benitez and Hodgson left them in, and putting aside the disgraceful behaviour from this club over the entire Suarez affair (I though will never ever overlook it, the incident is enshrined within their history, come what may), Dalglish deserves credit for winning a trophy, any trophy, and the Carling Cup, for a club of Liverpool's current standing is a good achievements and should not be belittled by United fans because we hate them so much.

As we saw with our win of the trophy in 2006 (first taste of winning something for so many of our squad at the time when Mourinho and the Chavs were blitzing everything else in sight; or conversely, Arsenal's failure to win it last year and the huge detrimental effect it had on their season last year carried over into this season), winning the Carling Cup can act as a genuine springboard from which to launch significant progress from.

It not only injects some funds into the club, but also players win something wearing the club jersey, the emotional bond is slightly stronger and tangible progress can be evidences.

Lifting a trophy at Wembley for the first time in front of 35,000 adoring fans must be a wonderful feeling. And if the manager is any good, he will bottle that feel good factor and then liberally wave the aura in the air of the coming months to ensure a very strong finish to the season.

With Spurs getting smashed today, and assuming we can beat them next week, suddenly that leaves places 3 and 4 all up for grabs ... with Spurs, Arsenal, the Chavs Liverpool and Newcastle all in the mix.

If Liverpool beat Arsenal next week as well as their game in hand, they will put themselves squarely in the mix and then its a very interesting run in and a fascinating sub plot to this seasons PL race (The Champions obviously coming from Manchester).

No matter how the ended up winning it, Liverpool fans should be delighted with this win and the club should enjoy a 'bounce' factor. They have enough quality players to make a real challenge for 4th.

Its just a shame they blew £35m on Carroll when that money could have been so better spent .... but hey, all managers (or Owners) can make huge transfer mistakes (ourselves buying Birtles, Veron, Forlan but to name a few, and the Chavs with Shevchenko and Torres thus far).

As a sideline, if this is the beginning of the Liverpool renaissance (I hope it is, the Premier League is better with a strong Liverpool), it will come at the expense of probably Chavski in my opinion. Wonder what Torres is thinking right now.

Not trying to piss on your parade or anything as what you say is sound, but Birmingham we're eventually relegated last season....
 
This trophy win is a blip. They are in no better shape than they were under Hodgson or at the end of Rafa's run. They have better owners, but they've just pissed away 100 million on shit players. I'd actually argue they are in worse shape with players like Gerrard, Kuyt and Carragher aging without adequate replacements.

There's nothing wrong with mocking delusion, which is what is being done to anyone who uses the term "resurgence"

exactly. They need a lot of investment to get anywhere close to challenging for the title, let alone winning it. a labored pen win over cardiff doesnt change that.

Kenny has made himself almost unsackable. He's sold himself to the fans like Rafa, but truly "one of their own", a Liverpool legend no less. In the face of such tribalism, the owners will think twice before removing him.

This cup win is a good thing, because it strengthens Kenny's position in the club, and all because of a "minor" trophy. I don't mind them picking these up, or even an FA Cup or two, so long as they never win the league or the CL.

Yep, if there's any positive to be had from pool winning a cup, its that it makes dalglish's position there stronger. I wouldnt mind them winning a CC every year if it keeps dalglish at the helm.
 
A few sour grapes in here. At the end of the day they won a cup. It does not automatically lead them into a new beginning but I would not blame them for thinking it is a good place to start. Dalglish has won them a trophy after a year in the job. Their 1st in 6 years so I reckon a lot of the Liverpool fans are more relieved than overjoyed.

Just because it took them a shoot-out against a Championship side does not actually diminish it in any way IMO. Afterall they did defeat Man City over 2 legs to reach the final in the first place.

If they win the FA Cup this season as well, it will be looked upon as a very successful season, even if they fail to finish in the top 4.

I am also certain that most realistic fans know they are a hell of a long way off challenging for the title any time soon.
 
Not that it's happened, but I'd rather Arsenal finish fourth with no CC, than win the CC and finish in a Europa place or worse.

Agree with this, i would rather finish the season trophyless and second than win the f.a cup and the carling and finish outside the top 4.

Just rams home how dissapointing being in the Europa league is (although now we are in it i want us to win it).
 
A few sour grapes in here. At the end of the day they won a cup. It does not automatically lead them into a new beginning but I would not blame them for thinking it is a good place to start. Dalglish has won them a trophy after a year in the job. Their 1st in 6 years so I reckon a lot of the Liverpool fans are more relieved than overjoyed.

Just because it took them a shoot-out against a Championship side does not actually diminish it in any way IMO. Afterall they did defeat Man City over 2 legs to reach the final in the first place.

If they win the FA Cup this season as well, it will be looked upon as a very successful season, even if they fail to finish in the top 4.

I am also certain that most realistic fans know they are a hell of a long way off challenging for the title any time soon.

I'd think a top 4 finish and CL football next year > CC+FA cup.

A top 4 finish brings with it additional revenue and makes the club more attractive to top drawer player, both essentials to develop as clubs unless you're bankrolled by some mega rich guy who throws obscene wages at playrs to bring them to the club.

For a pool fan, i'd think they'd rather see the club make progress overall rather than pick up a meaningless(kind of) CC trophy.
 
I'd think a top 4 finish and CL football next year > CC+FA cup.


I dont recall saying it would not. But if they fail to reach the top 4 I am fairly certain they (or any side) would be deligted to win the 2 domesic cups and certainly still look upon it as a good season. And a big improvment over recent previous seasons.

For a pool fan, i'd think they'd rather see the club make progress overall rather than pick up a meaningless(kind of) CC trophy.

There is no such thing as a meaningless trophy. I was delighted when we won the Carling cup each time
 
I dont recall saying it would not. But if they fail to reach the top 4 I am fairly certain they (or any side) would be deligted to win the 2 domesic cups and certainly still look upon it as a good season. And a big improvment over recent previous seasons.



There is no such thing as a meaningless trophy. I was delighted when we won the Carling cup each time

Misinterpreted what you meant it seems. Its better to have 2 trophies rather than finish empty handed if they arent getting the top 4, yes , but it still does not make it a very successful season for a club like liverpool, or atleast it shouldnt. Its good and all, but far from what they would have targetted start of season, ie- a top 4 finish.

Which is why i inserted the kind of in (). Had they got into europe, the CC win would have been good as a trophy they won while achieving their pre season goal. But if they dont finish in the top 4, a CC win is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

Us winning the CC was different, a team with young players coming through winning the trophy which started our run of more trophies. That is unlikely to happen at pool and coupled with the fact that if they dont finish in the top 4, it'd make it sort of meaningless in the grand scheme of things imo.
 
To be fair we're viewing the carling cup as supporters of a winning club, you have to consider how desperate Liverpool were for reassurance that they're still important. A trophies only as good as the fixtures, they did well against City but negated by the Cardiff game.
 
I went to the game (free ticket as my mate plays for Cardiff). It took a lot of biting my tongue walking through wembley way listening to them singing songs about us (shock).

The only positive was realising that Henderson is just as shit live as he is on the tv. Great buy Kenny.
 
Top four is much more important.

If Liverpool fail to get that it will be three years without CL football, damaging prestige and the prospects for improving via funds, as well as strengthening Spurs/Arsenal/Chelsea.

Their slide into the mid-level of English football will be consolidated.
 
It's on!

Liverpool can push on for bigger and better things now after Carling Cup success, says Steven Gerrard - Telegraph

Obviously he is bound to say this but he must know they don't have the squad for anything other than the odd cup run. Do they think they will be able to sign Europe's elite footballers on the back of this cup?

It's always nice to win a cup and when United won it in 2006(?) in the middle of a fairly barren period, it was something to celebrate, but come on - the Carling Cup? After a 2-2 draw with a Championship club? get real.
 
Reds attracting 'big players' | Liverpool News, Fixtures, Results, Transfers | Sky Sports

Commoli is on acid. What does 'big' mean anyway? Tha Llorente is pretty big ain't he?

In all seriousness- they aint going to be getting the players the likes of Madrid and City and Barcelona covet (Gotze, Cavani, Bale to name a few) and then you have ourselves and Chelsea above them in the pecking order for the rest. Might buy the rising star of Slovenian football or something but i would not expect anything earth shattering just on the basis of a Carling Cup victory.
 
Yes because Goetze and Hazard were just waiting for Liverpool to win the Carling Cup before signing up for them instead of signing for small timers like Barca or someone.

:lol: Spot on. They will probably spunk 25 million on someone like McClean from Sunderland, he will be heralded as their answer to Nani, will laugh at Arsenal becuase they read on a Sunderland forum that Sunderland fans think McClean is better than Sessegnon (this all being hypothetical on the basis that Arsenal attempt to sign Sessegnon) and next season will be theirs, McClean will end up being shite for them, a carling cup penalty shoot out victory against Derby County will ensue, and Messi will be packing his bags whilst humming 'Glass Onion' and be on his way to John Lennon airport.
 
No surprise to see nothing being made of Gerrard's elbow - should have been off for that.

It was exactly the same to what he did a few seasons ago - chasing for a ball and then elbowing a player in the head in the pretence of trying to avoid a collision...I remember someone posted a gif of that one recently.

But a typically cowardly act from him that should be punished imo.
 
No surprise to see nothing being made of Gerrard's elbow - should have been off for that.

It was exactly the same to what he did a few seasons ago - chasing for a ball and then elbowing a player in the head in the pretence of trying to avoid a collision...I remember someone posted a gif of that one recently.

But a typically cowardly act from him that should be punished imo.

Steven elbows Danny - YouTube

Gerrard Elbows Brown [HD] - YouTube

Haven't seen the one from yesterday on youtube yet...
 
Reds attracting 'big players' | Liverpool News, Fixtures, Results, Transfers | Sky Sports

Commoli is on acid. What does 'big' mean anyway? Tha Llorente is pretty big ain't he?

In all seriousness- they aint going to be getting the players the likes of Madrid and City and Barcelona covet (Gotze, Cavani, Bale to name a few) and then you have ourselves and Chelsea above them in the pecking order for the rest. Might buy the rising star of Slovenian football or something but i would not expect anything earth shattering just on the basis of a Carling Cup victory.

April 2011

Damien Comolli says Liverpool will buy 'top players' in the summer | Football | The Guardian

Liverpool's director of football said: "There will be movement, that's for sure. We are very attractive for a lot of players because of what we did in January and a game like that [the 3-1 defeat of Manchester United] is fantastic publicity for us around the world. Since the day after I was getting phone calls from agents telling me that their player would love to come and that we are going to compete next year if we get it right. We are attractive to a lot of top players and we want to bring top players to this club."

Liverpool went on sign such top players as Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing.
 
BARCELONA STAR ISSUES COME-AND-GET-ME PLEA TO LIVERPOOL

Andres Iniesta has opened the door to a summer move to Liverpool following a come-and-get-me plea during an interview with Sky Sports, UK. Iniesta, who plays for La Liga minnows Barcelona, has been coveted by some of Europe’s biggest clubs leading him to become the pride and joy of Spanish football.
But despite this, the playmaker admits that one of his top priorities is to one day play for Liverpool; a club he supported right after they were crowned Carling Cup 2012 champions.

‘Right now it’s just rumours” Iniesta told Sky Sports.

“But I must admit that there are personal reasons for such a move.

“My father and my uncle are big Carling Cup fans. I’d be happy if I was at that club.

“I was not a Liverpool fan until they came up at this level. To play for them would probably mean something extra for me” he added referring to their epic Carling Cup success.

Iniesta has cast further doubt on his Barcelona future after the Spaniard admitted that he has been surprised by the Spanish outfit’s failure to not compete in the league following Real Madrid's push to the top.
“It has not been the season I dreamed of at Barcelona.
“I have learned a lot mentally from the pressure we’ve been through as a League Runners-up threatened big club. I was better at taking responsibility, and then I got better with the ball.
“Right now I expect to stay at Barcelona, but you never know what happens in football”
Rumours currently suggest that Liverpool will offer a player + cash deal for the Spaniard, which would see Liverpool ace Stewart Downing head in the other direction. However, this could not be confirmed by Sky Sports – or any other sources – and thus remains to be just a rumour for the time being.

Its started.
 
A few sour grapes in here. At the end of the day they won a cup. It does not automatically lead them into a new beginning but I would not blame them for thinking it is a good place to start. Dalglish has won them a trophy after a year in the job. Their 1st in 6 years so I reckon a lot of the Liverpool fans are more relieved than overjoyed.

Just because it took them a shoot-out against a Championship side does not actually diminish it in any way IMO. Afterall they did defeat Man City over 2 legs to reach the final in the first place.

If they win the FA Cup this season as well, it will be looked upon as a very successful season, even if they fail to finish in the top 4.

I am also certain that most realistic fans know they are a hell of a long way off challenging for the title any time soon.

Randall, I can't believe you are being so positive - and about a rival!! Its a shame you can't keep those positive thoughts for Berba :)