RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2011/2012)

:lol: it's great when legalistic language is used for this sort of stuff. I wish she'd expanded a bit on it...

'Furthermore, pursuant to the issue of Mr. Evra's use of the the phrase "Suck my pussy, Lampard" (henceforth, "Fat Frank") in a videographic film from 2005, the panel has determined that this were best taken not as a literal invitation for Fat Frank to masticate on his putative vagina (Mr Evra, in point of fact, is not believed to possess a clunge of any kind - tight, cavernous, dripping or otherwise), but as a species of insulting challenge, of the kind that might best be translated by such ordinary phrases as, "feck you, Frank" or "Piss off you fat, dead-eyed, deflection-happy cockend.'

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I'm trying to remember Ramsey Campbell's unfortunate phrase when asked about setting a Mythos story in Wales - something about 'furtive cottages' iirc. He told the story about himself btw.
 
One thing is clear.

Dalglish would not even feature in this whole sorry saga if it hadn't been for Ferguson's mishandling of it from the start.

So do you think that Ferguson should use his influence to try to defuse this dangerous situation or not?

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:lol: Aye was gonna say. I knew 'hermana' meant 'sister' so I have absolutely no idea where your FA lady got that translation from.

Like plech said, it's literal translation isn't necessarily its meaning. The literal translation though is amusing.
 
Fergie's mishandling? How did he mishandle anything apart from possibly Evra speaking to Canal+ about it, but even that I don't think you can really place the blame at Fergie's feet.

Both him and Evra went through the relevant channels, with the club not making any comment.

And Dalglish has featured in this "sorry saga" because of his actions only. From the very start when he was asked about his opinion, instead of saying that he'd rather not discussed it as it's a matter for the players and the FA to sort out, he talked about it and that's just the start.
 
Dalglishs first involvement in this story comes in the immediate aftermath of the game when confronted with the news that Patrice Evra was claiming he was racially abused. Did he ask his players if it was true first? Did he react in shock and promise to get to the bottom of it? No. His first words on hearing a man was claiming racist abuse was 'hasnt he done this before'. and from that moment he was mishandling a very delicate situation
 
A fecking dummy could've wrote this article. Rafa explains how football clubs are structured.

How a football club is structured | Rafael Benitez - Yahoo!


I have always maintained that those of us who work in football are privileged. And that's because we get paid for a job we love and are passionate about. And in my case, I have been lucky enough to have worked in different countries, to have observed different cultures and ways of working, to have benefited from those experiences and this gives me, I believe, some idea of being able to analyse things from a different perspective, from the outside.

When certain people talk about signings, and how to go about them, the market value of players, the reasons why you buy or sell a player, you can see that some of them don't really know the true situation which can be very confusing for the fans. So in this article I will try to explain my point of view based on my experience.

Obviously I will try to focus on my area of responsibility in the club. That is the football, the playing direction given by the manager or the coach as the case may be.

Club Structure

What you first need to establish when you go to a new club are the aims of the club and the resources available to achieve them. So it is essential to analyse in depth the club organisation, its management structure and their different functions especially if you are in a foreign country.

The rules, the fixture list, the squad, the staff at the club and their roles, the situation regarding players contracts, the environment, the culture, the club tradition… knowledge of all these are essential to being able to take the right decisions. At least for those who are depending on you.

In Spain or Italy there is usually a 'Director of Football' or 'Chief Scout' who in theory is responsible for signing the Coach and putting the squad together. In the majority of cases, though not all, they usually consult the man in charge at the time, but in many other cases the President or owner, who is in charge of everything, has the last say.

In England though, it is the Manager who, also in theory, is responsible for the football, and therefore has the authority to decide how to put the squad together.

In practice, both types of structure depend on one premise: the money available for transfers and salaries. The 'Manager' on the one hand, or the Coach on the other, will have to consider the inescapable fact that they can sign only the three or four players on their list. That's how it is. At least in the case of the 'Manager' he can choose the ones he wants.

Make-up of the Squad

As the man in charge of the technical side, you have to decide on the model of play, how you want the team to express itself on the pitch, or at least how you would like them to play. It is important to get to know your players, to talk to them so they can give you information on the composition of the squad and then you have to try to complement it with players who can enhance it and put in to practice what you want to do on the pitch. If you can't do this, you will have to adapt and trust that they will give you support when you need it.

Then you have the rules governing contracts in each country, and they are also different for teams competing in international competitions. There are leagues where it is compulsory to play at least five players from that country, others where there is a limit on foreign signings, and others where there is an 'A' and 'B' list of players… In the end, each country, each league, has its own peculiarities and you have to know them thoroughly and above all digest them quickly before you put the squad together and / or tweak it.

This is where the plan, the football project, comes in to play, and with owners from the world of business coming in to football, you can only call it a 'Business Plan'. Again I will refer to my own experience. When I went to Italy there was no 'Business Plan'. I was only told about it on the last day of the transfer window, when they suddenly and surprisingly said that we were going to follow the 'Financial Fair Play' initiative. I will leave it there. In Spain, the continuous dialogue with club officials keeps you up to date on the economic constraints so you know where you are. Although once, I found myself with a surprise signing of a striker by the President on the last day in August because, as he was on loan, he was cheap.

In England, specifically at Liverpool during my first three seasons, the Chairman and the Chief Executive kept me informed of the restrictions and options that we had. Later on though, the club structure changed, and over time, 'Business Plans' became more and more important than any football project when it came to making decisions.

Something that should not be forgotten is the analysis of the Academy. Incorporating local players always gives more affinity with the club and sensibly reduces costs. In Italy and Spain the organisation depends on the 'sporting director' and the Coach has little input in to it. Nevertheless, in England it can be the case, as happened at Liverpool in my last year, that the Manager has control over the youth system and can follow a style of play in all age groups and with more continuity. Barcelona's model is popular right now. There is no better or more evident example.

If there are no players at youth level in the club who have the requisite ability, you have to resort to the transfer market.

The 'Sporting Director' or the Manager has to manage a transfer Budget, and on top of that, take players' wages in to account. A good scouting system is necessary and essential, although not infallible, and the money available in both cases will affect the market you can access. The income from selling and net spend are more important for the Manager than the Coach. The former tries to consider the future of the club and win at the same time. The latter, the way football is going, only tries to win and cost has less importance.

Rules and specific types of organisation

What also has to be considered are different International regulations. Usually the required list of available players is restricted to 25 for the first team and in some countries, like Spain, you can use youth players for up to five matches, after which the player has to be included in the first team squad.

In England, you can use the reserves, which we used to try to develop youngsters by gaining experience so they could move up to the first team. Then you have the U18s. Some of these players, especially if they are coming from abroad, must have professional contracts or you run the risk of losing them to other clubs. This was what people often talked about when I was at Liverpool, either through ignorance or 'bad faith', that we signed a lot of players when in actual fact many of them were for the younger age groups and some of them I did not know. In Spain, these signings who join the second team or the youth teams are not considered signings for the first team. And it is the same in Italy.

Champions League Rules and Regulations

Another set of rules that, unfortunately, we always had to take in to account was the local players and home country players for Champions League list. This number has now reached four players brought through the club Academy and four players of the home country. If you have spent three years at the club before you reach 21, you are considered local.

Again there are differences. As Coach, if you can, you plan for your team and the sporting director plans for the squad. But as a Manager you have to plan for the future of the club. At Liverpool one of our priorities was to bring players from abroad and sign them three years before they reached 21, like Ayala, Pacheco or Insua. In that way, under the rules at the time, they would be considered local players, saving money in transfers and contracts, with the possibility of including them on the Champions League list. In Spain and Europe in general, as a Coach, you are only involved in future planning if you keep winning and you are allowed to stay a few years. Few manage to do it.

As always, these are opinions emanating from my experience and they look to provide football fans and people who follow our website with views from a different perspective, another point of view which maybe they have not been aware of. Finally, a thought that keeps occurring to me is that although you hear something repeatedly, it is not necessarily the truth.







So, there you have it, Red Cafe. In England the manager does everything, but in Europe they have Directors of Football who buy the players and the coach only trains and picks the team. I bet you didn't know that!


Next week, Rafa tells us how to unwrap a King Size Snickers and dispose of the evidence before the wife gets home.
 
Of course you do!


This is where the plan, the football project, comes in to play, and with owners from the world of business coming in to football, you can only call it a 'Business Plan'. Again I will refer to my own experience. When I went to Italy there was no 'Business Plan'. I was only told about it on the last day of the transfer window, when they suddenly and surprisingly said that we were going to follow the 'Financial Fair Play' initiative. I will leave it there. In Spain, the continuous dialogue with club officials keeps you up to date on the economic constraints so you know where you are. Although once, I found myself with a surprise signing of a striker by the President on the last day in August because, as he was on loan, he was cheap.

In England, specifically at Liverpool during my first three seasons, the Chairman and the Chief Executive kept me informed of the restrictions and options that we had. Later on though, the club structure changed, and over time, 'Business Plans' became more and more important than any football project when it came to making decisions.
 
Cheers, Yosser. I mean, Rafa.
 
Sometimes you see a player who is a good fit for the system. If he is a good fit for the system, if it is possible to integrate him into the esquad, then it is necessary to buy him. This is a technical matter. Then you approach the cloob, you go to the cloob that owns the player, this is important, never first to the agent, unless that is more efficient, which is to say technical. You say to the cloob, 'I want this player Josemi for the esquad', or 'I think your player Paletta, he can improve my esquad', and you write out a cheque for seven million pounds. Write it with a pen, not pencil, this is important for technical reasons. What will happen next is that the president of the cloob will get onto his knees and crawl towards you and he will try to bite off your hand. It is important to ensure that he also signs the forms, as well as biting. It is a technical matter, but important. Then you take a photo of the player, you must concentrate as it is technically difficult to hold a scarf in the air while sucking in your estomach, but this is important. Then you integrate the player into the esquad, and soon it is time to sell him for zero pounds, which seems less, but it is a question of net spend which is a technical matter that I am prepared to discuss at some length if you take me to the restaurant now please.
 
I've seen and read many "testimonials" that Luis isn't a racist, indeed from the FA and Evra themselves in this laughable judgement...and independent statements as to context and culture as regards what may or may not be accepted as common practice in South America....

I haven't seen or heard one independent statement from anyone that "Patrice wouldn't make it up would he.." Not one.

Evra is a pariah inside the professional footballer ranks now...certainly internationally and I wouldn't be at all surprised within the game here. Not one statement have I seen personally supporting Evra, ....load slagging off the term used, the connetations of the phrase used, etc...not one to Evra's credit.

QED





The FA have their work cut out for them to defuse a situation that is partly of their own making.



A successful attempt at defusing of the situation would involve:

(a) The FA agreeing to an investigation into what LFC view as a flawed process and promising to listen sincerely to all of LFC's concerns.

(b) The FA making a clear public statement about Luis Suarez reiterating the statement in the report that he is not a racist and that they believe any chanting that he is is unnacceptable.

(The above will allow the next phase to take place)

(c) Kenny making a public statement calling on Liverpool fans to focus their support at Anfield solely on supporting our players and not to pick out any Manchester United player for specific attention.

(d) Ferguson to request specifically that Manchester United fans focus solely on supporting their players at Anfield.

(e) A polite request behind the scenes for FA affiliated spokesmen of partnership bodies to stop throwing petrol on the flames.

(f) A behind-the-scenes effort to make a statement giving LFC an opportunity to acknowledge things could have been done differently but given the exceptional nature of the allegations which involved the very worst implications of a player of Afro-Uruguayan descent being labelled racist, as long as the FA publically states its reiteration that this is not true, this acknowledgment of mistakes have been made can be put out by LFC.



Liverpool v Man Utd is arguably the biggest regular sporting fixture on earth and the atmosphere is damaging not just the clubs but English football as a whole. The poison needs to be leeched and its up to the governing body to make the effort to achieve this. Things will always be subject to the volatile nature of this fixture or any 90 minutes of football (see the Oldham game for proof of that) however at least those with a stake in things, should be statesman like and they have to make moves to be seen to at least make an effort to change the temperature.


Hahahaha. Afro-Uruguayan! Hahahahahahaha!
 
I'm not a legal person, I don't even know how courts work really, but i know the FA's report was full of shit


Now, I'm no biologist, I don't even know how evolution works really, but I do know that a magical being created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th coz he was tired. And he'd invented weeks the week before.
 
Rafa said:
A lot of text about the bloody obvious, net spend, facts, Istanbul etc etc

Christ, his Jobseeker's Diary must be a thrilling read...
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I’ve been jotting down my thoughts on the Commission report for the last week. I’m currently up to 31 pages. I estimate that it’ll be over 40 by the time I’m finished. I’ve found myself almost shaking with anger on a couple of occasions. Without getting into it too much (I don’t want to hijack the thread), the fact is that when you read the report, you see that both accounts have roughly equal amounts of “probability.” It’s a 50/50 split. There's no concrete evidence, or very little. You quickly lose count of how many times the Commission accept at face value an Evra excuse for some wild inconsistencies while seizing on any discrepancies in Suárez’s evidence in order to paint him as unreliable. It’s clear that they started with a verdict in mind and worked backwards.


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In the same way that you surmised Suarez was innocent before you read the report, then worked backwards?
 
:lol: it's great when legalistic language is used for this sort of stuff. I wish she'd expanded a bit on it...

'Furthermore, pursuant to the issue of Mr. Evra's use of the the phrase "Suck my pussy, Lampard" (henceforth, "Fat Frank") in a videographic film from 2005, the panel has determined that this were best taken not as a literal invitation for Fat Frank to masticate on his putative vagina (Mr Evra, in point of fact, is not believed to possess a clunge of any kind - tight, cavernous, dripping or otherwise), but as a species of insulting challenge, of the kind that might best be translated by such ordinary phrases as, "feck you, Frank" or "Piss off you fat, dead-eyed, deflection-happy cockend.'

This had me in stichtes. :lol:
 
Some varied and surprising views here:

...every thread I read now is full of hear-say and rumours about a grand conspiracy out to destroy the club at every angle. Now, I hate my fair share of referees and I think the FA could do with some serious restructring, especially its national team policy and youth development in England - I'd even go as far to say as it employs people that are incompetent in various positions. But this doesn't equate to a grand conspiracy, or bias on the part of the officials it employs.

Conspiracy suggests the FA, Ferguson, all aspects of the media and certain referees have joined forces to deliberately harm this club.

Every club gets it - the Mancs have had the Rooney stories this week, it's open season on AVB and Chelsea at the moment. Blackburn are under the microscope. It really isn't just us.


'Everything is conspiring against us'
 
A post full of common sense :eek:
What really irritates me is the notion that Man Utd have won things through cheating coupled with being in cahoots with the FA. This argument says one thing to me; it says we don't need to improve to win things we just need those pulling the strings at the FA to stop helping United win things and then we'll get our turn in the sun. Such a philosophy is obviously flawed, hopeless and will lead to perennial disappointment. The sooner certain fans get out of that mindset the sooner they can place their energies in more fruitful ways of supporting the club.
Those idiots should have thought about it.What would be the point of competing if things are "fixed" ?
 
"What is put out against us now is very, very beatable. That Spanish bitchboy in goal, have-been's like Evra and Ferdinand at the back and some afwul players who are totally overhyped like Smalling and Jones.. A midfield with no creativity whatsoever.. Anderson and Carrick? And Nani, Valencia, Rooney and Hernandez. Four attackers of which three are very inconsistent and one is actually not able to play football."

:lol: It's amazing how shit we are yet are comfortably higher than them in the league.

As if Nani, Valencia, Rooney and Hernandez wouldn't start instead of Downing, Kuyt, Suarez and fecking Carroll at Liverpool.