Ravel Morrison (Only football related)

Classy Cannon said:
Seems to me he's just got a problem controlling his temper, some people are talking like he's a feckin gangster. Loads of working class kids get into trouble for the same kind of shit but grow out of it. Hope to feck he grows up quick, concentrates on his footy & reaches his potential!
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Not playing Devil's Advocate but loads of working class kids don't get into trouble for the same kind of shit and come from far worse circumstances.

But you're right , it sounds like there are issues with anger which is more to do with the person.
 
Realistically though, if there is a problem then it will resurface from time to time. I'm sure he'll get all the help he needs. People should expect blips - hopefully not. However this incident sounds like a waste of courts time to me. If there's assault in any of these cases, where's the evidence?
 
Classy Cannon said:
Seems to me he's just got a problem controlling his temper, some people are talking like he's a feckin gangster. Loads of working class kids get into trouble for the same kind of shit but grow out of it. Hope to feck he grows up quick, concentrates on his footy & reaches his potential!
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I agree.

We have our very own "Manboi" on this forum who has returned a better man.
 
Michael Calvin on Manchester United Why Ravel Morrison must now make choice between fame and oblivion - Michael Calvin - MirrorFootball.co.uk
Ravel Morrison is The One.

He will either be football’s greatest treasure . . or its *latest tragedy.

He is only 18. The choice between fame and oblivion is his.

He can repay Manchester United’s faith, defy the *demons and become rich beyond reason.

Or he can revert to type, succumb to self-destructive anger and become just *another doomed youth.

Last week was a snapshot of a schizophrenic life.

It was shaped in *Wythenshawe, an estate in south Manchester blighted by the modern evils of gun crime and gang culture.

Morrison was a child of the streets, glowering out at the world beneath a Hoodie.

On Monday he was man of the match as United won the FA Youth Cup for the 10th time.

He scored twice, won a penalty and justified his reputation as the most *naturally-talented player to emerge at Old Trafford since Paul Scholes

On Tuesday, Gary Neville’s testimonial reminded him of the unqualified love football fans reserve for one of their own.

The principal lesson of Neville’s career – that in *football as in life, you get out what you put in – has never been more relevant.

On Wednesday, Morrison escaped the prison sentence that almost certainly would have ended his United *career.

He was fined for criminal damage and, for the second time in two years, his *girlfriend refused to press assault *charges.

Last night at Wembley, he was shown what he has to lose.

A place in history, a storied contribution to something that is bigger than him.

The court heard he is paid £3,400 on the 25th of each month. Stay clean, stay safe, and those earnings will be multiplied by 100.

Assessing Morrison’s talent – the basis of such an equation – is the easy bit.

He is beautifully balanced, blessed with a searing turn of pace and strength of shot on either foot. Morrison’s vision, close control, physical dexterity and unerring opportunism remind me of David Villa.

There is a touch of Wayne Rooney, the street footballer, in his instinctive refusal to be intimidated.

He can play in central *midfield or anywhere across a modern, fluid, front three.

Yet is he worth the effort?

His consistent rejection of authority and his hair-trigger temper led to the court *ordering him to seek counselling.

Morrison was 15 when he was cautioned for assaulting his mother. Two days after turning *professional on his 17th *birthday he was *arrested for intimidating a witness and given a *12-month referral order.

His coaches at England level were on the verge of giving up on him.

It is easy to be cynical to suggest the quality of *United’s mercy is linked to the rarity of his talent.

But one of the traits of Sir Alex Ferguson’s *management is his devotion to the club’s duty of care

United’s tradition of youth development, established by Sir Matt Busby, occasionally involves the application of peer pressure.

I’m told Rio Ferdinand even offered to take *Morrison into his family home.

We forget that footballers are a cross section of *society.

Ferdinand grew up in a ground floor flat in Peckham where the street tsars ruled.

John Terry admits that some of his boyhood friends are in prison, on the dole or dead.

Paul Ince, a former Old Trafford Guvnor, came from a similarly bleak *background.

Morrison’s value as a rehabilitated role model would be immeasurable.

On the pitch, great players are defined by the quality of the decisions they take, under pressure.

Off it, the same principle applies.

There are small signs of hope, but the choice is *Morrison’s.

For his sake, pray he makes the right one.
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Can't wait to see him next season.

I know he's got his troubles, but on the pitch he looks the deal.

From the stories, I kind of got the impression he'd be a moody bastard on the pitch, lazy, and a bit arrogant, thinking he's above his team mates.

He's not though. Looks like he loves playing, and is always first to celebrate with his team mates when either he or they score.

Off pitch things are just that - off pitch. It's what's on the pitch that matters, as we know with Rooney, Giggs and countless others.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Can't wait to see him next season.

I know he's got his troubles, but on the pitch he looks the deal.

From the stories, I kind of got the impression he'd be a moody bastard on the pitch, lazy, and a bit arrogant, thinking he's above his team mates.

He's not though. Looks like he loves playing, and is always first to celebrate with his team mates when either he or they score.

Off pitch things are just that - off pitch. It's what's on the pitch that matters, as we know with Rooney, Giggs and countless others.
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If he gets in trouble with the law again, I'm willing to bet we will terminate his contract.
 
I'm not sure myself. I think we've bent over backwards already. I think probably because he is trying. Lets hope that remains the case but the fact is mud sticks and the club will know the media will twist things
 
Kraftwerker said:
Can't wait to see him next season.

I know he's got his troubles, but on the pitch he looks the deal.

From the stories, I kind of got the impression he'd be a moody bastard on the pitch, lazy, and a bit arrogant, thinking he's above his team mates.

He's not though. Looks like he loves playing, and is always first to celebrate with his team mates when either he or they score.

Off pitch things are just that - off pitch. It's what's on the pitch that matters, as we know with Rooney, Giggs and countless others.
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Rooney and Giggs didn't break the law though. Big difference.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Sleeping with prostitutes is illegal in the UK.

The shit-storm was ten times worse as well. Giggs' story found its way into parliament.
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Prostitution in the UK isn't illegal. The selling of sex for money isn't illegal either. Owning a brothel is though. So what Rooney did wasn't ILLEGAL. It may be immoral, but it wasn't against the law.

Ravel on the other hand was accused of breaking the law.

The reason Rooney and Giggs were at the center of the storm is because sex sells, and papers know the masses want the lurid details of what footballers are up to in their off time. The fact no crime was committed doesn't stop a paper from publishing something they know will sell because they are trying to make money.
 
Aren't whorehouses aloud as well, as long as there aren't more than two girls working on shift and something to do with the hours?

I'm sure that's the case.
 
Hectic said:
Aren't whorehouses aloud as well, as long as there aren't more than two girls working on shift and something to do with the hours?

I'm sure that's the case.
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Not sure about that. But owning a brothel is illegal, pimping is illegal, but prostitution in England isn't illegal as far as I know.
 
Devilton said:
Not sure about that. But owning a brothel is illegal, pimping is illegal, but prostitution in England isn't illegal as far as I know.
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'It is an offence for a person to keep, or to manage, or act or assist in the management of, a brothel to which people resort for practices involving prostitution: This offence is created by section 33A of the Sexual Offences Act 1956, which was inserted by the Sexual Offences Act 2003. Premises which are frequented by men for intercourse with only one woman are not a brothel, and this is so whether she is a tenant or not.'

One girl then.
 
Besides I'm sure the girls Rooney went for were escorts, so they weren't selling SEX, they were selling their time. So everything is above board. The sex if and when it does happen is consensual and between two adults. So there's no question of legality there.
 
Hectic said:
'It is an offence for a person to keep, or to manage, or act or assist in the management of, a brothel to which people resort for practices involving prostitution: This offence is created by section 33A of the Sexual Offences Act 1956, which was inserted by the Sexual Offences Act 2003. Premises which are frequented by men for intercourse with only one woman are not a brothel, and this is so whether she is a tenant or not.'

One girl then.
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Right, so a girl can work out of her home and that's fine. But if she gets her roomate in on the action -- that's a no no...There goes my fantasy.
 
It's pretty much allowed everywhere as two girls though, I know because a friend enquired about running one, as long as the hours as to a certain time and there are never more then two girls on premises.
 
How good is this kid? Should we expect to see him in the first team squad next season?
 
When was the last time a young lad jumped straight from the youth team into the first team? Or without spending at least a season in the reserves.
 
Very, and we'll hopefully see him introduced at points, yes.
 
I missed something somewhere along the lines, does Ravel Morrison own a brothel or is he a prostitute?
 
I think they are saying that he was pimping on the side to supplement his meager United salary.
 
I think Tunnicliffe withdrew from the last few squads, so I suspect the management decided to look elsewhere.

Not sure on Morrison - been involved in the past so maybe its an attitude thing?
 
datura said:
He already trains with the first team at times. Why do you have doubts about him in the squad?
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I meant he wont be a squad player.. i.e competing for a spot on the bench week in week out.. He might just get a game in the CC or Fa Cup if we have some easy fixtures or if we have a massive injury crisis.. I am sure most on here would agree with that..
 
The Express are running a retread of a previous article are his latest court case

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | Sport | Football

The only vaguely interesting part is this:

A United insider said: “Everyone, the manager included, has leant over backwards to try to give Ravel every opportunity to succeed here. Without question he possesses exceptional talent but he has received so many warnings over his timekeeping and his attitude.

“He has so much to lose because, providing he focuses on his football, nothing is unachievable for Ravel. If he steps out of line again, he will be on his way out of the club despite his potential.

“If he continues to progress as a footballer, the United fans could see a lot more of him next season.”
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Although United have not said anything in the past so I wouldn't necessarily take it as the club's official stance.
 
With his ability to select the right pass and ghost into goalscoring pitch.
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Good to see standards of writing at the Express aren't slipping.

Morrison has pushed United’s patience to the brink with his escapades, some of which would not look out of place in a gangster movie.
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Not easing off on the hyperbole either, excellent stuff!

How do people think it best to deal with him? Throw him straight into first team action (if Fergie thinks him capable of it) to show him what he'd be throwing away and focus on playing? Or just give him a taster of it, so it doesn't go to his head quickly?

Tough one to judge, but we've got the best manager to do it.
 
All his poor behaviour is down to immaturity and insecurity. Putting 1st team stress at his age and if he doesn't succeed immediately, it will only feed into his insecurity.
 
Probe into why Manchester United starlet Ravel Morrison was spared prison over bust-up | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

Probe into why Manchester United starlet Ravel Morrison was spared prison over bust-up

An investigation has been launched into the sentencing of a United starlet who was spared jail after his second conviction in four months.

Ravel Morrison was warned in January that he would be locked up for a year if he was convicted of another offence before the end of 2011.

The warning came as he was given a 12-month referral order at Trafford Youth Court for witness intimidation.

But in May, Morrison, 18, escaped with just a fine at Salford magistrates’ court after admitting criminal damage following a bust-up with his girlfriend. Now the sentence is being reviewed after the family of the victim in the first case complained to Tameside youth offending team – which has been handling Morrison’s referral order – and threatened to apply for a judicial review.

It is understood Salford magistrates are considering bringing Morrison back before the court to face new sentencing.

The M.E.N. has been shown a copy of a letter sent to the family by Jim Taylor, the boss of Tameside’s youth offending team.

He explains that the matter is being investigated and the authority has written to Salford magistrates. And he reveals that by fining Morrison, the court caused the referral order to be automatically cancelled.

He wrote: “It would appear from subsequent investigation that the act of imposing a fine has the effect of automatically revoking the referral order, something that the sentencing court would appear to have overlooked. As a result of this I have contacted Salford magistrates' court and they are looking into the matter. One possibility is that they can re-open the criminal damage case and re-sentence also taking into account the offence for which Ravel received the referral order.”

District judge Jonathan Feinstein fined Morrison £600 and ordered him to pay £100 costs when he pleaded guilty to criminal damage at Salford magistrates on May 25. He had been accused of throwing his girlfriend’s £150 mobile phone out of a window after a row.

He told the M.E.N: “It is not appropriate for me to comment and the case will be reviewed in court.” A Tameside council spokesman said: “The decision to revoke the referral order was not taken by Tameside council, it was taken by Salford magistrates court. As a resutt of this, the council has written to the court expressing its concern that the decision to revoke the order will cause distress for the family of the victim.

“The council is waiting to hear the outcome of the court’s decision regarding this case.”

Morrison has been tipped as one of United’s brightest hopes for the next decade. He scored two goals to help his team win the FA Youth Cup last month.
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I have no idea of the legal issues involved but it seems unlikely to me they would actually reverse the decision. Let's hope it's nothing.
 
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