We could have easily signed Kane if we didn't sign Mount + Holjund who cost what 110 million combined..we could have signed any striker on the planet for that amount
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You think we will still be playing in European competitions?
He’s potentially the worst player to have a squad number 1-11 for 2 different numbers in 9 and 11
We were never getting Kane from Levy.We could have easily signed Kane if we didn't sign Mount + Holjund who cost what 110 million combined..we could have signed any striker on the planet for that amount
Antony by a mile
Alexis Sanchez by a country mile.
Scored only 5 goals and was paid an absolute fortune. Wasn't he on something like 560k per week?
He was brought in to score goals, just like Hojilund was. He's been even worse at doing that than Hojilund. Comfortably.
I don't think it is a case of him being weak so much as a balance issue, he is physically strong but doesn't yet know how to use it to his advantage. There is also an element of referees being blinded by assumptions where he is concerned, he is constantly being fouled by defenders grabbing and pulling him down and yet it is never given and I think it is because there is an assumption that it is him falling over. In the Fulham game there were 3 blatant fouls on him in the first 5 minutes that were not given and at that point it becomes obvious to defenders that they can do what they want and it won't get called.
Yet he still scores goals?
Ye except he’s scored more than 2 goals this season. And can actually hold up a ball
Sanchez was miles worse
In the bundesliga. Haller looked like peak Alan Shearer over there and lets not forget our own Jadon Sancho.
Has a bigger wage than Rashford and moves at half the speed of Maguire. Talk to Juve fans about how good they think he is.
Have to agree. We had something good going before he joined on mega wages and stunk the place out
And let’s not forget Haaland also.
The answer to your question is none.
Amorim likes to play quick. We’re not seeing it yet. Your man at Porto scores a lot of tap ins due to the service coming in. Put him in the United side and we’ll feed him scraps, we need to quicken the tempo, we need pace,
Btw Hojlund is quick, we’re not utilising it
You can't rule out a striker because he did well in Germany, but you need to apply some caution
There is still time for him. We do need a quality prove striker to take the pressure off him though.
He was extremely disappointing last night and every weakness in his game was highlighted and none of his strengths were on show so hopefully this is just knee jerk reaction to the performance.
I still think he can be a good player for us, my enthusiasm is dampened from before but he has time on his side.
The reality is that too much was expected far too soon and the pressure has got to him.
He was extremely disappointing last night and every weakness in his game was highlighted and none of his strengths were on show so hopefully this is just knee jerk reaction to the performance.
I still think he can be a good player for us, my enthusiasm is dampened from before but he has time on his side.
The reality is that too much was expected far too soon and the pressure has got to him.
Why in gods name would we sanction a 70m deal only to sell him for peanuts a year later? It is like some type of fraudulent scheme
It would have taken a very brave board to sanction a 110m move for a 30 year old Kane + whatever salary and bonuses he’s on too. We’d be looking at another overpaid player that ultimately we struggle to dump, after he turns those niggling injuries into more serious ones at UnitedWe could have easily signed Kane if we didn't sign Mount + Holjund who cost what 110 million combined..we could have signed any striker on the planet for that amount
Can you imagine our fans with his slow he's become?
Of course but that’s the same as every league isn’t it? The Spanish league is a lot different to ours yet Isak is ripping it apart in the prem.
This will be the case for a lot of EtH’s signings - Mount, Hjolund, Malacia, Zirkzee
Don't really disagree, but there's been an unusually high number of Bundesliga forwards struggling elsewhere. This is entirely my impression, maybe the numbers are actually balanced
Ye I get what you’re saying and to be fair the Bundesliga games always seem to be open. So there’s always lots of space for ST compared to here.
He must stop playing hold up. He is a running forward, with pace and stregth. He is another players bought for a counter attacking system. That is why he worked better last year. He can't play hold up and he is horrendous at playing poacher in the box. So, I really cant see him work out in a 3-4-3.
Yep. There is something about the Bundesliga and goal scoring, they do seem to produce a high number of prolific attackers who struggle in other leagues. Of course there are exceptions but it has more than deserved its reputations as a place where average forwards can pad their stats. So far as Haaland is concerned, yes he has succeeded but he has done so in a City side that create masses of chances per game, I wonder just how elite he would look watching the grass grow while he waits for our back 3 to complete their 50 pass ritual before launching a hopeful ball forward?
We 100% need a top proven striker to lead the line but every team weve had has had multiple decent strike options, im unconfortable calling a loss on him currently when really he shoild just be rotated with a top striker and zirkzee, 3 players for the forward role.
Your optimism of him seems to be based more on some sort of algorithm than anything tangible. Just cliché’s like ‘you can’t write a player off at 22’, or ‘how many goals dis Ruud van Nistelrooy score by 22?’ There’s very little defence related to Hojlund’s actual talent, just some lines you could post without even ever having watched him, so long as you knew his age.
Why do you think academy players get released, despite being too young to literally see whether or not they will become top players by 25? Being young is not a skill. It’s not a reflection of talent. Footballers don’t just become world class players by getting older.
The fraudulent part is the sanctioning of the 70m deal, not the sanctioning of a sale.
At this point the 70m is a sunk cost and any decision to sell or keep should disregard the initial fee (PSR constraints aside).
Bring in Delap
Imagine what 72m could have bought us.
I mean Isak was like 63m.
I mean Isak was like 63m.
Stupid fee, Atalanta paid 17M Euros less than 12 months earlier and although he looked to be developing nicely in his first season with them his value had not truly risen that much, just a general shortage of strikers and our usual desperation forced the price so high once we got involved. I am curious about the final figure though, it was 64M Sterling with 8M in performance related add ons. I am going to guess that as of now we have not hit many if any of those add on clauses, does anyone know what they were?
It comes down to how you develop your players once they join to some degree. Isak was signed a year earlier and there was no United tax so for arguments sake the fees are pretty similar. When Newcastle signed him he was coming off a season in which he had scored just 6 league goals in 32 appearances and there was doubt over whether he could translate his talent into consistent goal scoring. The bit Newcastle got right was identifying a player who fit into the way they wanted to play and then providing a very clear team identity and structure in which to develop him to the point where a little over 2 years later he is one of the top strikers in Europe. We on the other hand, wanted Kane to play as number 9 to hold up the ball and help us to play some sort of possession based game although it was always hard to know quite what ETH was trying to do. When we couldnt get Kane we instead zeroed in on a guy who was incredibly raw but had no track record of playing as a target man or a number 9 but was instead suited to a fast counter attacking style, running the channels and thriving on balls played into space. We then compounded the error by insisting on playing him in a way that accentuated his weaknesses and failed to use his strengths whilst appearing to make no attempt to actually develop him.
Sanchez - Total disgrace, wage was insane. Looked out of shape and just didn't ever fit in with us. Mental because I thought he was absolutely top draw.
Weghorst - Worked his socks off but ultimately failed at what he was paid to do. He couldn't score to save his life.
Falcao - Rushed back for a world cup and was miles off being ready, the rushing of him back actually halted his rehab and took a further two years off his career as it got it back together at Monaco.
Forlan - Like Weghorst you could fault us work but he just struggled in front of goal. Crazy to think how good he became after.
Dublin - Doesn't belong in that list, broke his leg and resulted in us buying Eric Cantona so we should be thankful
Hojlund - Price tag alone is awful but he did have a few decent spells last season.
Worst - Sanchez and Falcao for varying reasons but both struggled really badly.
I always felt like he was put in a losing position being asked to be a starting striker for a club in complete shambles and desperately needing goals but I’m genuinely surprised how bad he kind of is.
Cut our losses and sell him back to Italy where there is still some interest. Potential wise he is never going to good enough for even if we give him a decade at the club.
Cut our losses and sell him back to Italy where there is still some interest. Potential wise he is never going to good enough for even if we give him a decade at the club.
I would definitely prefer to sell Zirkzee over Hojlund if we are to try and sell one this summer to fund another striker. Hojlund's attributes suit Amorim's system as a 9 far better than Zirkzee but the problem is he hasn't learned to use those attributes effectively yet.
Him not being able to use those attributes is a fair concern of course but he is young and has been given responsibility that he simply was not ready for which is the club's fault not his. Given PSR as well, I'd be looking to give him another year, so that hopefully the team as a whole improves and we see him can capture some decent form as a no.2. We may then be in a position to get 50m+ for him from a club like West Ham and make a PSR profit (rather than a loss/break even which we would be looking at today).
Him not being able to use those attributes is a fair concern of course but he is young and has been given responsibility that he simply was not ready for which is the club's fault not his. Given PSR as well, I'd be looking to give him another year, so that hopefully the team as a whole improves and we see him can capture some decent form as a no.2. We may then be in a position to get 50m+ for him from a club like West Ham and make a PSR profit (rather than a loss/break even which we would be looking at today).
Ive just heard a stat that Zirkze has a xG of 3.7 for the entire season with 3 goals to his name. For Rasmus its 2.35 and 2 respectivelly. If anyone thinks that our lack of goals is down to quality of out strikers needs to have his Head checked.
I dont think either of them is a world class striker but before we judge them lets provide some chances for them.
I dont think either of them is a world class striker but before we judge them lets provide some chances for them.
Not if you look at the fee paid
Yep. “Board never learn” grumble grumble