Kane scored 21 goals in the league for spurs
Isak scored 17 goals in la liga for Soceidad.
Osimen scored 13 goals in Ligue 1 for Lille
Gyokeres scored 7 in Bundesliga 2 for St Pauli.
Hojilund as 2 goals so far.
Rasmus Hojlund (Out)
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Kane scored 21 goals in the league for spurs
Isak scored 17 goals in la liga for Soceidad.
Osimen scored 13 goals in Ligue 1 for Lille
Gyokeres scored 7 in Bundesliga 2 for St Pauli.
Hojilund as 2 goals so far.
Transfer fees around the time of Hojlund’s arrival were a bit bonkers.
Chelsea and United inflated the prices for everyone…idiots!
Chelsea and United inflated the prices for everyone…idiots!
Nevermind the finishing, is Hojlund ever in the right position to take any chances. Seems like half the time our team finds itself in a dangerous attacking area and he's nowhere near them. Bruno even gestured to him once to be in the penalty area, you know, where a striker should be to receive a pass for a scoring chance.
If he's not doing that he's busy wrestling with defenders for God knows what reason or maybe getting a closer look at their jerseys. Whatever the reason he's the worst fecking striker we've had based on recent performances. I'd rather have Weghorst back than continue with this donkey.
This is it. He's zero awareness what to do and how to find space. I'say that can be somewhat taught however the poor technique in the rare event he finds himself on the path of the ball, is there to stay I'm afraid.
Genuine question, what about falcao, lewandoski and cavani?
Exactly. Rarely can you put money on him finishing a half chance even and this guy cost $60 million. It really is going to take years to undo the mismanagement
He may be a serviceable striker for someone in a few years but it would be very very difficult for him to be a top class player given the lack of technical skill and lack of goal threat he's shown so far. But he does have good physical attributes in terms of pace and strength, maybe with the right coaching on what runs to make and a team that actually creates chances he might show something, particularly in an easier league.
If his book value is around £40m how much do you think we can recoup of that? The problem is foreign teams only seem to ever have money if they've just made a huge sale themselves.
Just another in a long line of disastrous signings. Who on earth at this club decided Hojlund and Zirkzee were the right signings?
If his book value is around £40m how much do you think we can recoup of that? The problem is foreign teams only seem to ever have money if they've just made a huge sale themselves.
Just another in a long line of disastrous signings. Who on earth at this club decided Hojlund and Zirkzee were the right signings?
I don't think it's fair to compare him with former great players, some legends of the game and worse many with very different characteristics and enviroment, not saying that many of them have it easy, far from it.
yet he is a pure "goalscorer", he needs more help than a Kane, Lewa, Aguero, Falcao etc...
The team it's not functioning as a team since time, it's full of youngsters, without a balanced and overall control of games and from the start, even if I've barely saw him in Atalanta, he never had the profile of a forward that can manage himself BY himself.
If we add the price tag, the silly and ill intended social media and press, not a great scenario for a very young fella that looks more than anything extremely anxious.
yet he is a pure "goalscorer", he needs more help than a Kane, Lewa, Aguero, Falcao etc...
The team it's not functioning as a team since time, it's full of youngsters, without a balanced and overall control of games and from the start, even if I've barely saw him in Atalanta, he never had the profile of a forward that can manage himself BY himself.
If we add the price tag, the silly and ill intended social media and press, not a great scenario for a very young fella that looks more than anything extremely anxious.
I can genuinely remember 1 good chance he's had recently and that was the Liverpool game. Goals like the Amad one against Southampton and Bruno versus rangers are exactly the goals he should be getting.
He looks on zero confidence and his build up play is very poor, I feel if we tried to hit the channels earlier for him and he could run onto the ball he would be deadly.
He looks on zero confidence and his build up play is very poor, I feel if we tried to hit the channels earlier for him and he could run onto the ball he would be deadly.
Out of those stats (if they're accurate), Kane's is the most impressive, as he's playing in the most competitive league, but he's helped by the fact that he's English so no problems about having to adapt or settling in to new league/country.
All the others played in inferior leagues. Plus Hojlund started playing as a 20 year old in the toughest league (he had a very respectable 1st season here and scored some great goals), but also a very dysfunctional United team which definitely impacts on any young player's development, relying on him as the main senior striker, just too much responsibility and expectations too soon.
The main point I'm trying to say is most strikers don't reach their peak till the mid to late 20s (except Haaland who is a freak and teenage prodigy like Rooney), so Hojlund still have a lot of development to go. The strikers that most people here on the Caf creaming themselves over right now Isak/Osimhen/Gyokeres are 25/26/26.
5 in the Europa League as well
First and most frequently mentioned ‘quality’ in the case for the defence.
Who should we loan for now?
The way we build attack right now, does it even matter who we have up top? Not saying who we have right now are good enough, but service is pretty much non-existent.
We owe him nothing. He's been paid good money, he get the fame of playing for United. It doesn't work. Time to move along. Just like any other jobs in the world.
Move him on and let him be someone else problem.
Move him on and let him be someone else problem.
That assumes we can sell him
Nobody is going to buy him for anything even close to the £64M (+10M add ons) that we stupidly signed him for. If I had to guess, we would be lucky if anybody offered even half of that (highly doubtful). What about Glazers or INEOS tells you that they will take that big of a loss or reinvest in anybody better?
We could have easily signed Kane if we didn't sign Mount + Holjund who cost what 110 million combined..we could have signed any striker on the planet for that amount
Yeah and when you thrown in the £47m spent on Onana as well it looks even worse. We simply should have broken the bank for him
We need attackers, we need goals!! What should we do? Oh yes, sell all our forward players- great plan!
I think we should keep this guy despite the performances. I think he is a Gyokerez level striker in 2 seasons.
Can't see that, however agree with others who say he maybe needs a loan away from the spotlight
Can we bury once and for all the defense that Rasmus gets no service?
It's going to be a challenge to sell this guy if you pretend to get as much as you paid for him. He's still very young playing for a dysfunctional team so there are some factors that can explain (somewhat) his abysmal performances so far.
Anyway I think it's probably the best for both parties to sell him if some team wants to take a chance on him. I don'tknow who handles the money at United but everyone involved in his signing fecked it up big time by paying that much for an average player. Then it was just as a bad idea to throw him as first choice right away, no wonder he looks awful with all that burden on his shoulders playing for a struggling team.
Anyway I think it's probably the best for both parties to sell him if some team wants to take a chance on him. I don'tknow who handles the money at United but everyone involved in his signing fecked it up big time by paying that much for an average player. Then it was just as a bad idea to throw him as first choice right away, no wonder he looks awful with all that burden on his shoulders playing for a struggling team.
He scored 16 goals last season and was the highest goal scorers for us. dont forgot he is only 21, suffering injuries at the start of the season, change of coaches and playing system.
This is all true and he probably has until Summer to make his case for staying anyway , but considering the financial mire United find themselves in they would be negligent not to atleast gauge the market for him in Summer .
he needs a season or two at a lower level in my opinion
could be really good but he hasn’t fully learned his trade yet and this is the worst possible place to do that
signing another young striker in the same boat was a silly decision from the club
could be really good but he hasn’t fully learned his trade yet and this is the worst possible place to do that
signing another young striker in the same boat was a silly decision from the club
Those should be in his brochure when we're trying to sell him. The Owen's brochure style.
I'm sure the plan is to sell him to then use that money to fund a replacement.
He's simply not good enough and needs to be sold.
There’s no point selling him right now whilst his stock is probably the lowest it’s ever been.
We need a new striker, keep Hojlund as back up, which is what we should’ve done all along.
Hopefully once the team improves and he can look better then he either improves enough to stay, or sell him for a better price than we’d currently get.
We need a new striker, keep Hojlund as back up, which is what we should’ve done all along.
Hopefully once the team improves and he can look better then he either improves enough to stay, or sell him for a better price than we’d currently get.
last season, when Mctominay was scoring goals for us, i was thinking those are the positions that a striker should be. Hojlund was far way from the play back then. He hasnt improved that in an year or so.
Exactly this. By definition, every single goal we score in and around the penalty box is a goal that could have been scored by Hojlund. Good strikers manufacture chances, they turn a poor cross into a good one, they force mistakes. I see loads of balls coming into the box just above head height - food and drink for a striker good in the air. People mock Nunez and Jackson, bloody hell their stats make mincemeat of Hojlunds!
I'm not in favour of selling any attacking players this window considering how low we are with them upfront, regardless of how good or bad they are. We simply don't have the numbers. Re-evaluate in the summer. Anyhow this just seems paper talk and can't see any concrete names actually linked with him.
Anyone decent that is available, we just need to get to summer, with someone who can get near the goal. Maybe Osimehn with no obligation.
Fair enough. We should leave him out from the list.
All of the above are much older than Hojlund and are in a much more functional team. For reference, Gyokeres at 21 was in Swansea on loan and scored 1 goal in 12 games in the Championship. Comparing strikers at their prime with a much younger potential is not an apt comparison, particularly when the team is at a state that can make prime Messi look like Obertan. How many 21 year old strikers are as good as Rasmus potential wise? I'd bet not many.
"He could be Gyokeres or Solanke in a few years" is another one that should be in there.
Those were stats from when they were all 21.
Here you go:
Falcao 11 goals for River plate
Lewa 18 goals for Poznan
Cavani 14 goals for Palermo
This just proves Hojlund moved to early, he needed another year or two at Atalanta.
Whether this damages his confidence and he doesn't progress as we would have hoped or he comes through this adversity with strength remains to be seen.
Agreed. Fault lies squarely on us for spunking 70m on a striker who had only scored 9 goals for Atalanta!