[tomaldinho1]

No True Scotsman is an informal logical fallacy. Feel free to look it up. And don't deflect. I told you what play in what game. It's up to you if you really want to find it. You don't have to take my word for it. Just don't claim ignorance and declare the evidence too nonideal to make other than a positive judgement in your favour.

1:12 is about where you position yourself. I call it the 'Ian Wright' because that's one of the positions he said to take in answer to the question: how come you always seemed to be in the right position to score scruffy goals? Interesting because Hojlund has a knack for not being there, or seeming to be a step behind surrounded by defenders.

1:28 pretty self-evident.

2:16 turn up what volume? All I hear is music, so your claim doesn't fit the evidence. And: what lethal striker is pulling out in that (better!) position anyway? You speak of me 'not knowing a CF's role' , well, that's the job! Get your head on that!

2:24: McT anticipates where the header is likely to land. I mean, look at their respective positions at the instant Maguire heads the ball. Instincts!

2:47: I mean, what are you talking about? 'Being obstructed'? You need to create separation between you and your markers. Look at where the ball is going, look at when Garnacho makes contact, and look where Hojlund is!

2:53: maybe, but the point is that Hojlund is nowhere near posing a threat to those defenders.

The Licha goal was so obviously tongue-in-cheek and a side-quip, or can't you work that out (hint: it's in parenthesis)? He finished it with the conviction that I'd want to see from my striker in that position, that's all.

Sorry, all I see is someone going to great lengths to make excuses for a player who could do so much better, and who has shown he can (see previous clip I posted showing better movement - I imagine it'll be long enough this time!). So he's clearly regressed from what he was. Hope he has people telling him some home-truths, or he's not gonna last long here, and we'll be out of pocket again with more deadwood to shift.

That's me done here.

That's interesting to learn, you've used it incorrectly though looking at the definition but it's interesting to learn nonetheless.

This is madness - you're giving me another player's moments who plays in a different position...just go watch Hojlund's goals from last season and you'll see all the same things and then more variety. You literally don't have a point?

 

[Lyng]

I wouldn't waste your time, just let it play out , it's obvious to anyone who's watched football long enough to know Hojlund is a basic run of the mill striker who lacks any elite qualities. The Hojlund fans are like the Ten Hag supporters, they will dig and look for any small evidence of quality to claim it's evidence of world potential elite quality due to the time, money and emotional energy they invested into the player.

Only when we get a real talented striker in will people realise how much we are being held back in attack by having this guy as our main striker just like now it's only now we have a proper man manager to realise you don't need 3 years to implement a style of play. You don't need to wait until a player turns 25 to know if they have the ingredients to be a world class player

I regularly watch true wonder kid potential talent like Samu, Sesko and Carmada for Milan and I've never read on their supporters forum, reading long winded excuses and praise for imaginary decoy runs or ''occupying defenders'' and them needing a more experienced striker to learn how to control a football.

Sesko...who blows hot and cold and hasn't really done anything special this season.
Also starting your argument with stating that your point is obvious to anyone who watched football long enough serves nothing and frankly comes of extremely juvenile. I dont think Højlund should be leading the line and I am quite worried he will never be good enough despite having a quite impressive first season when actually considering his age and the state of the club. But I am also not so keen to shit all over our young players like you are with Rasmus and Alejandro.
They get dogs abuse on social media enough as it is.

 

[Insanity]

I wouldn't waste your time, just let it play out , it's obvious to anyone who's watched football long enough to know Hojlund is a basic run of the mill striker who lacks any elite qualities. The Hojlund fans are like the Ten Hag supporters, they will dig and look for any small evidence of quality to claim it's evidence of world potential elite quality due to the time, money and emotional energy they invested into the player.

Only when we get a real talented striker in will people realise how much we are being held back in attack by having this guy as our main striker just like now it's only now we have a proper man manager to realise you don't need 3 years to implement a style of play. You don't need to wait until a player turns 25 to know if they have the ingredients to be a world class player

I regularly watch true wonder kid potential talent like Samu, Sesko and Carmada for Milan and I've never read on their supporters forum, reading long winded excuses and praise for imaginary decoy runs or ''occupying defenders'' and them needing a more experienced striker to learn how to control a football.

Good post.

 

[The Serpent]

Sesko...who blows hot and cold and hasn't really done anything special this season.
Also starting your argument with stating that your point is obvious to anyone who watched football long enough serves nothing and frankly comes of extremely juvenile. I dont think Højlund should be leading the line and I am quite worried he will never be good enough despite having a quite impressive first season when actually considering his age and the state of the club. But I am also not so keen to shit all over our young players like you are with Rasmus and Alejandro.
They get dogs abuse on social media enough as it is.

Not gonna waste time getting into an argument with you brother as I know where you stand and understand how you operate but please don't tell lies. I've praised Garnacho many times, saying I don't care if he stays or goes because Im not on board with believing he's the next R7 is not shitting on a young player

 

[Lyng]

Not gonna waste time getting into an argument with you brother as I know where you stand and understand how you operate but please don't tell lies. I've praised Garnacho many times, saying I don't care if he stays or goes because Im not on board with believing he's the next R7 is not shitting on a young player

The way you phrased it made it sound like that. And your phrasing around Højlund is always even harsher. It creates extremely toxic arguments which might not be your intention but here it is.

But lets see if we cant find some common ground.

Where I agree with you is that this season Højlund has been awful and his current level is not good enough for leading our line.
Where we disagree is that I do believe he did better than could have been expected last season, especially given the terrible tactics, dysfuntional team and his age. The fact that he hasnt improved under a vastly better manager and system that should actually suit him is why I dont have much belive in him anymore.

 

[The Serpent]

The way you phrased it made it sound like that. And your phrasing around Højlund is always even harsher. It creates extremely toxic arguments which might not be your intention but here it is.

But lets see if we cant find some common ground.

Where I agree with you is that this season Højlund has been awful and his current level is not good enough for leading our line.
Where we disagree is that I do believe he did better than could have been expected last season, especially given the terrible tactics, dysfuntional team and his age. The fact that he hasnt improved under a vastly better manager and system that should actually suit him is why I dont have much belive in him anymore.

Please explain how this is toxic and ''shitting on a young player'' as you initially claimed I did with Garnacho?

Amorim took his ego down and let him know he needs to be a more team player if he wishes to be a success in his system. No more main character syndrome and this is best for him as he will improve his all around game, instead of what eth was letting him do and get away with without any accountability or risk of being dropped. Credit to Garnacho he's taken it on the chin got his head down and worked on his game. This is what proper man management reap

 

[Lyng]

Please explain how this is toxic and ''shitting on a young player'' as you initially claimed I did with Garnacho?

Nothing wrong except that wasnt the quote I talked about

It was this one

Couldn't care less if he stays or leaves, he is a decent player with decent potential who can be an assist to the club but this idea that if he leaves then we're missing out on some newgen R7 makes me laugh. He's got far too many limitations to his game for any logical person to lose sleep over him leaving.

 

[The Serpent]

Nothing wrong except that wasnt the quote I talked about

It was this one

So let me get this straight, It's toxicity and shitting on a player if I won't lose sleep if we sell or keep a player? There are people going crazy over the idea of selling Garnacho and even comparing Ineos to the Glazers if we sell him

I'd be interested in your rules which qualifies toxicity when assessing young players, considering you have taken on the role of policing people's opinions. Maybe I should I go on and write how the end is near and the club is finished if we sell Garnacho.

Anyway brother have a good day as I don't want to take this off topic this is the Hojlund thread, just want to highlight how laughable some of your takes are. You are more than welcome to pm me your rules on what quantifies toxicity and shitting on players so I can stay in your good books.

 

[Lyng]

So let me get this straight, It's toxicity and shitting on a player if I won't lose sleep if we sell or keep a player? There are people going crazy over the idea of selling Garnacho and even comparing Ineos to the Glazers if we sell him

I'd be interested in your rules which qualifies toxicity when assessing young players, considering you have taken on the role of policing people's opinions. Maybe I should I go on and write how the end is near and the club is finished if we sell Garnacho.

Anyway brother have a good day as I don't want to take this off topic this is the Hojlund thread, just want to highlight how laughable some of your takes are. You are more than welcome to pm me your rules on what quantifies toxicity and shitting on players so I can stay in your good books.

I dont have any rules, but your tone comes of abrasive. You disagree, thats fine.
There are people concerned about us selling our youngsters and for some of our posters here our youngsters matter a lot, so the idea of just selling them might concern them. You say any logical person shouldnt care.
You have previously claimed my nationality was the reason for my judgement of a footballers talent, so calling our posters takes laughable is fecking rich.
Thankfully we have an ignore button.

 

[The Serpent]

I dont have any rules, but your tone comes of abrasive. You disagree, thats fine.
There are people concerned about us selling our youngsters and for some of our posters here our youngsters matter a lot, so the idea of just selling them might concern them. You say any logical person shouldnt care.
You have previously claimed my nationality was the reason for my judgement of a footballers talent, so calling our posters takes laughable is fecking rich.
Thankfully we have an ignore button.

So now it's my tone, Sorry Sir . Ah man I agree the ignore button is the best decision just remember you tagged me when I was addressing another poster and already stated that I have zero interest in getting into any arguments/debate with you

 

[Ali Dia]

If he plays he'll smash in one tonight and go on a run. It should be much easier for him than it was in the last few games and the team finally look confident behind him. He's potential. It's not always linear. He's been very poor this season but so has everybody until Liverpool really. We look to have a new lease of life and I expect the same with Rasmus

 

[Denis79]

If he plays he'll smash in one tonight and go on a run. It should be much easier for him than it was in the last few games and the team finally look confident behind him. He's potential. It's not always linear. He's been very poor this season but so has everybody until Liverpool really. We look to have a new lease of life and I expect the same with Rasmus

I expect him to score at least one tonight if he starts.

 

[CannibalSpectre]

Poor player. Zirkzee has to start on Sunday

 

[dubplate warrior]

Can we stop hearing that he's young as an excuse for what are obvious shortcomings in his game.

Not a Manchester United player.

 

[Ayoba]

Christ, he's bad!

 

[Wayne's World]

Zirkzee is much more suited to Amorim's system

72 million for him though feck me who scouted him?

 

[Atheist]

He has no right to start a game until he can learn to win a 50-50.

 

[Adz_99]

He's just not up to it. Good in patches, occasionally does something phenomenal but that's not enough at Man United. When he's on the pitch, we look noticeably worse.

 

[bosnian_red]

Yeah I don't think he would stand out in the championship. What the feck did we spend so much money on, my god. He can't receive a pass under the slightest bit of pressure.

 

[friendlytramp]

Needs a loan

 

[Redstain]

He's rubbish, needs to be sold or put on consecutive loans.

 

[gaffs]

Game changed when he went off. And there is no co-incidence in that. cant hold the ball up, cant link up play.

 

[Idxomer]

Forget all of the flaws in his game but how did he become such a low-energy footballer?

 

[VP89]

No chance he can start now, you'd think surely.

 

[Giggsyking]

He has no business with football at a club in our size.

 

[Godfather]

Crap..pure crap at the moment

 

[nihal18_red forever]

faster antonio. wrestler turned footballer.

 

[Bojan11]

He can’t hold up the ball.

But this stupid pattern where the striker coming off the bench looks better is going to continue until we sign a better one.

 

[Lay]

He's technically horrible.

 

[astracrazy]

Bench warmer now. Useless.

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

Horrendous.

Zirkzee should be starting every game. Infinitely better footballer at less than half the price.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Yeah I’m done with him. Basically does nothing well apart from run and finish. The rest of his game is league 2 level and I’m not really exaggerating. It’s like playing with 10 men on the pitch. Southampton were DARING him to hurt them and apart from the nice Bruno channel ball he couldn’t do a thing

 

[Bole Top]

everyone else seem to get into goalscoring positions and opportunities that apparently aren't there. Anthony and Zirk get into the game in second half and we immediately have couple of dangerous attacks.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Repaid my trust with a dogshit performance, though should have had the assist.

 

[oleoleoleole]

Time to end this experiment. It’s like playing with 10 men

 

[soapythecat]

Hard to see what his strengths are. He needs to be in a team like City as a tap in merchant. Disastrous season from him so far.

 

[Bobski]

He is a dreadfully one dimensional player. His lack of all round game is a critical part of the overall attack being so poor, a lot of fans talk as if everyone else is letting him down and ignore how his failings put extreme limitations on the whole attacking group.

He can't play with his back to goal, struggles to hold the ball, needs excessive touches to complete simple passes when he does control it and has poor movement and spatial awareness to find easier ways to get on the ball.

How does a striker with his lack of all round game develop into a long term starter at a major club? He would have to be scoring at Haaland levels to make that happen.

 

[Fortitude]

Please keep this thread civil.

 

[JTRI]

It’s like playing with no striker when he starts. Totally anonymous again.

 

[Lyng]

He is done. Should have had an assist but other than that awful.