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2023-24 Performances

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5.5 Season Average Rating
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43
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16
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2
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redmanc said:
What chances should he realistically of scored from today that Kane would have absolutely put away?
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Presumably Kane would’ve got more chances for himself and the team by playing the target man, bringing the ball under control in dangerous areas, bringing others into play with his vision, creating options in the box with his movement, etc.

The way you’ve framed the question makes it sound like strikers are static figures that get served chances without doing anything themselves. That’s clearly not the case. We struggle to get into dangerous positions because our forward players struggle to get into dangerous positions, make themselves an option, and bring it under control.

Hojlund isn’t responsible for that but he’s part of it. Kane is far better at getting his team into good positions and turning them into goal threats.
 
He was supposed to be the apprentice to, presumably, Kane or an experienced striker.
 
Brwned said:
Presumably Kane would’ve got more chances for himself and the team by playing the target man, bringing the ball under control in dangerous areas, bringing others into play with his vision, creating options in the box with his movement, etc.

The way you’ve framed the question makes it sound like strikers are static figures that get served chances without doing anything themselves. That’s clearly not the case. We struggle to get into dangerous positions because our forward players struggle to get into dangerous positions, make themselves an option, and bring it under control.

Hojlund isn’t responsible for that but he’s part of it. Kane is far better at getting his team into good positions and turning them into goal threats.
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Correct. Great strikers make things happen for themselves and their team. That’s why they command the fees they do.
 
Raven said:
Think he'll end up a good player for us but should be behind Martial in the pecking order for now.
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Why? Anthony Martial is a proven failure at Man United. There is no pay off with Martial, if played he will occasionally hold the ball up okay, occasionally threaten to deliver, then skulk around for a few games with minimal effort and probably end up injured. We know this because we've seen the Martial cycle countless times over years and years so no reason to do the same thing and expect a different result.

You can't swim without getting wet with young talent, its part of the bet we made on Hojlund that we invested in raw ability. Many fans seem to think we can have our cake and eat it with players like this. When Brighton or such a club invest in realtively unheralded talent (I know they don't spend so much but profile wise they're still untested and unproven) and then give them plenty of opportunity we look at the end product and say why didn't we buy them, ignoring the fact we would have had to invest in their opportunity and do the hard yards with the player on the pitch and in training, accepting some subpar performance occasionally. It's not the way things work, we need to back Hojlund, show some patience with it and give him the consistent game time. If he's constantly poor then obviously a decision is to be made but we're no way near that stage.
 
Loon said:
He was supposed to be the apprentice to, presumably, Kane or an experienced striker.
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Yes, this might hold merit from the summer murmurs. So far we have done him dirty with the failed experienced striker mishap. Too much pressure. He is putting in effort at least even though its not materializing. Doesn't seem fair to critique him overly at this point, and think he is on honeymoon still with the fans.
 
Loon said:
He was supposed to be the apprentice to, presumably, Kane or an experienced striker.
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We would've known this wouldn't happen though, given our budget. We knew that whoever we signed was going to be the guy this year, given everyone had lost faith in Martial managing to do it consistently for any period of time.
 
frostbite said:
What if we gave the 180-200 million we spent for Mount, Hojlund, Onana? It is not like these three have solved any of our problems.
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Then he'd probably be on 1 or 2 goals from the mimimal chances we create for any striker. Big deal.

Spurs are better without him. Yet some still think he solves all our problems.
 
Leftback99 said:
Then he'd probably be on 1 or 2 goals from the mimimal chances we create for any striker. Big deal.

Spurs are better without him. Yet some still think he solves all our problems.
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He'd solve our attacking problems. Our defense was fine last year.
 
He reminds me of one of those random cheap punts Fergie would make occasionally (Dong, Manucho, Diouf, Chicarito etc) only we blew £70m on him. Not saying he won't come good in a couple of years but right now it looks like a horrific piece of business.
 
People do realise we were playing against a team who sat off the whole time? Where do you think he will get any space unless the perfect ball is provided to him?
 
frostbite said:
Which part is "absolute nonsense"? That Kane would solve our attacking problems? Or that last year our defense did very well?
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Yes, Kane solving our attacking problems. As for the defence, you must have missed the numerous thrashings.
 
It's far too early to pass judgement despite his less than stellar start at Utd.

He's young, still raw and relatively inexperienced at only 20 yrs old.
Just come back from injury and only played a handful of games.
He's new to the team, getting to know his team mates on the pitch and trying to follow ETH's tactical plans
He's leading the line of a team that's poor on creativity at the moment and struggling to beat teams who sit deep.
He's getting little or no service from his wide attacking colleagues.
The EPL is a far tougher league than anywhere else he's played before.

He might end up being considered a flop; or he might not.
There are deeper concerns elsewhere in this team at the moment.


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People are being harsh on him. He’s having to be the starting striker at Manchester United, even though he’s probably a year or two (at least) away from being at that level. If we were at another point in the cycle he’d come in alongside another quality striker or two who would take the pressure of goalscoring off him and allow him to learn the game without the need to carry the burden every week.
 
Leftback99 said:
Yes, Kane solving our attacking problems. As for the defence, you must have missed the numerous thrashings.
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Last year, goals against:
City, Newcastle 33
Man Utd, Arsenal 43
(including 7 from Liverpool, 6 from City... )

Last year, goals for:
United 58, too many teams more than that.

Yes, Kane would have solved our attack problems, and we have Bruno to feed him. And yes, our defense was fine last year, third best in PL. Yes, the thrashings were terrible, but it is not like our defense has improved now.
 
frostbite said:
Last year, goals against:
City, Newcastle 33
Man Utd, Arsenal 43

Last year, goals for:
United 58, too many teams more than that.

Yes, Kane would have solved our attack problems, and we have Bruno to feed him. And yes, our defense was fine last year, third best in PL. Yes, the thrashings were terrible, but it is not like our defense has improved now.
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The Bruno that's not feeding Hojlund?
 
frostbite said:
Last year, goals against:
City, Newcastle 33
Man Utd, Arsenal 43
(including 7 from Liverpool, 6 from City... )

Last year, goals for:
United 58, too many teams more than that.

Yes, Kane would have solved our attack problems, and we have Bruno to feed him. And yes, our defense was fine last year, third best in PL. Yes, the thrashings were terrible, but it is not like our defense has improved now.
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Kane might have solved some of our attack problems last season.

Unfortunately, our attack problems this season go beyond our striker and taking or not taking chances. We're barely creating them.
 
redmanc said:
What chances should he realistically of scored from today that Kane would have absolutely put away?
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You (and not just you) are making completely wrong presumption that Kane (or any other striker) would be in same positions as Hojlund was. Well, he wouldn't. Better striker would be in better position during some pass or cross (where Hojlund was nowhere near). Better striker could score a goal "out of nothing" on his own. That is why some strikers cost 100 mil, some 50 and some 5 million.

But to answer on this question; Kane would score that chance in penalty box in second half. Probably that lob too.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Nah he was never our first choice and smells like another desperation signing.
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He swapped agency to same as EtH 1 month prior to signing. Same agency EtH son is analyst for. We should put some ban on EtH over future signings.
 
frostbite said:
Last year, goals against:
City, Newcastle 33
Man Utd, Arsenal 43
(including 7 from Liverpool, 6 from City... )

Last year, goals for:
United 58, too many teams more than that.

Yes, Kane would have solved our attack problems, and we have Bruno to feed him. And yes, our defense was fine last year, third best in PL. Yes, the thrashings were terrible, but it is not like our defense has improved now.
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You're deluded if you think 1 player solves our attack.

Bruno was on the pitch today. Created nothing for a striker.
 
Brophs said:
People are being harsh on him. He’s having to be the starting striker at Manchester United, even though he’s probably a year or two (at least) away from being at that level. If we were at another point in the cycle he’d come in alongside another quality striker or two who would take the pressure of goalscoring off him and allow him to learn the game without the need to carry the burden every week.
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We didn’t need someone who would take two years to reach the required level, we needed someone who could come straight in and do the business.

Ten Hags recruitment has been extremely questionable, and he clearly favours players who he’s already coached. Having him as the (seemingly) sole decision maker on transfers is proving disastrous. And if things keep tanking and ETH walks or is sacked, the next manager has an awful mess on his hands. This club is shockingly run. Absolutely clueless.
 
El Zoido said:
We didn’t need someone who would take two years to reach the required level, needed someone who could come straight in and do the business.

Ten Hags recruitment has been extremely questionable, and he clearly favours players who he’s already coached. Having him as the (seemingly) sole decision maker on transfers is proving disastrous. And if things keep tanking and ETH walks or is sacked, the next manager has an awful mess on his hands. This club is shockingly run. Absolutely clueless.
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I don’t disagree on the first para. But there was nothing in his history to suggest he’d be that guy (immediately, at least) so I wouldn’t be critical of him for being at exactly the stage of his development a player of his age and experience should be at.
 
Leftback99 said:
You're deluded if you think 1 player solves our attack.

Bruno was on the pitch today. Created nothing for a striker.
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Creating something for the striker needs a good striker too. Bruno is still our best player. If we had Kane, Kane would be our best player. Hojlund is not our best player, there is no comparison with Kane.
 
Brophs said:
I don’t disagree on the first para. But there was nothing in his history to suggest he’d be that guy (immediately, at least) so I wouldn’t be critical of him for being at exactly the stage of his development a player of his age and experience should be at.
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I got nothing against the lad, I rate him highly and think he has huge potential. It just makes no sense to me that we buy a work-in-progress in a position we’re desperately lacking in. You have Harry Kane up front and Hojlund as an understudy to play in cup games, or to give half an hour when the game is dead. There’s no point planning for the future when the now isn’t fixed.
 
Yes, Kane instead of Hojlund would solve our attacking problems.

If we can't score with Kane, Bruno, Rashford, Garnacho playing together, then our manager is useless.
 
El Zoido said:
I got nothing against the lad, I rate him highly and think he has huge potential. It just makes no sense to me that we buy a work-in-progress in a position we’re desperately lacking in. You have Harry Kane up front and Hojlund as an understudy to play in cup games, or to give half an hour when the game is dead. There’s no point planning for the future when the now isn’t fixed.
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While on the other end of the scale, it just doesn’t make sense to me that we’re pretending that Harry Kane was actually an option this summer.
 
frostbite said:
Yes, Kane instead of Hojlund would solve our attacking problems.

If we can't score with Kane, Bruno, Rashford, Garnacho playing together, then our manager is useless.
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We should be able to score against Palace even without Kane.

No, a goalscorer would not solve much for a team that can't create anything. if that makes the manager useless, so be it.
 
Amir said:
We should be able to score against Palace even without Kane.

No, a goalscorer would not solve much for a team that can't create anything. if that makes the manager useless, so be it.
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Any single player can have a bad period. Even with Kane, a goal is not guaranteed. Having said that, when you have Kane, Bruno, Rashford, Garnacho the probability that you will score is much higher than when you have Hojlund, Bruno, Rashford, Garnacho. It is simple.

Spurs were a mess last year and they still scored 70, we had a very good year and only scored 58. What was missing is obvious. And it was not Holjund.
 
I like him and I think he will be good. I'm just hoping it's more 'Harry Kane' type of good than Olivier Giroud.
 
How long until acceptable to judge him?

It feels like Onana is fair game already but Hojlund is going to get absolutely ages with some.

Personally he's totally underwhelmed, I was expecting and all action striker that was going to lift everyone around him. Let's be honest 20 years of age isn't that young in football this day and age and a top striker generally creates his own space and chances.
 
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